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#142 ·
well. I started to read this and my eyes started to hurt so if I'm repeating something someone else said sorry ahead of time. But, if SHTF in the UK, wouldn't the military be deployed to secure HVA's? make sure the queen and/or the PM got to a safe location? and if that was the case I'd imagine there would be some presence of firearms. though obtaining them would still be difficult I'd imagine. The SAS or Royal Guard might be a little hard to trump. But I digress, if it seems like I'm just blowin' it outta my A$$ sorry to waste your time.
 
#143 ·
JPH said:
Nah. I don't claim a wing and I'm glad I own guns. I have personal experience with armed aggressors. I've been around way too many illegally armed people. I just think that a lot of preppers/survivalists don't really plan well for a long-term collapse and if/when it happens, people's stocks will get low (desperation), people will panic (friendly fire), people's moral lines will get fuzzy (nihilism). I dunno. Use your imagination. I hope I'm wrong.
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Sad part it, you're exactly right. within a year there will be cannibalism, people killing each other for a can of beans. But after that, some people will try to rebuild, probably some successes here and there, we'll regain a small amount or "civility" but in most respect it will be like the wild west all over again, only thing is, we have better weapons, and transportation, at least for a little while. but honestly it's the ones who know the land and the wildlife, the water sources and topographical pro's and con's of the area that will have the best chances. burying yourself in a hole and waiting isn't really the best thing to do unless there's an atomic war, even then I wouldn't stay in there any longer than I had too. But I digress, sorry if I bored you.
 
#144 ·
We are exceptionally fortunate in the United States of America when it comes to being a prepper.

We enjoy an enviable stability that's not available in many countries.

The vast majority of us can simply move to where we'd like to be, avoiding urban blight, like in Detroit, moral decay like in San Francisco, and utter filth, like in New Orleans. We can pick moderate, temperate climates whereas many folks in this world live in countries with limited climate options. We can choose urban, suburban or rural.

Many preppers on limited budgets have shown incredible ability to make the most of what they have through gardening, raising small animals, and other such things. Our parasites in society, those on welfare from not working, live better than the vast majority of people in the world and, if they choose, they can put aside food rather easily. If a person is inclined to work, yes, we're carrying the load of many others, but we can advance and we can do well. We've the right to defend ourselves unless we've done something really stupid which precludes such things. We enjoy the Rule of Law in most of the country. I've a reasonable expectation not only that I won't have someone try to break in tonight, but my vehicles are likely to be left unharmed in my driveway.

...and most of our 'reasons for not being able to do things' actually aren't rigid. For example, I didn't consider a lot of prep things possible for me. Then I met a guy who made a bit less than I, had a bigger family, yet was doing all sorts of neat things like raising pigs, poultry, goats, produce, etc., on rented land. He's actually feeding his family good food and he's in an enviable position when it comes to preps while many like me consider what he's doing to be too difficult or beyond our range.

"We capable of great things. We can start now."
 
#145 ·
USA could be good. Since I'm here anyway with no intention to move I could say a few good things about here. Big country, low population. Most of the country uninhabited. No fault lines. No hurricanes. No big tornadoes. No poisonous snakes or spiders. Houses in rural areas are affordable, and very cheap up North. You could quite easily get a gun if you hunt. People here could get aggressive like everywhere else, but it is usually not their first response to problems. Of course there are negatives as well, but I'll still stay here. :)
 
#147 ·
JPH said:
Nah. I don't claim a wing and I'm glad I own guns. I have personal experience with armed aggressors. I've been around way too many illegally armed people. I just think that a lot of preppers/survivalists don't really plan well for a long-term collapse and if/when it happens, people's stocks will get low (desperation), people will panic (friendly fire), people's moral lines will get fuzzy (nihilism). I dunno. Use your imagination. I hope I'm wrong.
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Kind of like the wild west with better guns...:D:
 
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Discussion starter · #148 ·
firstforcerecon said:
It's not from luck its from Refusing to let the socialists take away our rights and most individual freedoms, I couldn't believe the English let themselves be disarmed.

Well the land and the rescources the English couldn't control. Over population of your island is a potential disaster just waiting to happen. You do have the ability to drive elsewhere. Where there is cheap land though.
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I think you misunderstood my post. I would rather be in the UK, with few guns, than in USA, with many guns.
 
#149 ·
Sigd said:
As I just said in another thread:

Actually, you're forgetting that whilst *I* may not have a weapon, 99% of other people won't have a weapon either. As a trained, strong and fit guy, I am actually far better (relatively speaking) at using other weapons, such as a knife or spear.

In terms of prepping, I would much prefer to have a UK-like scenario with hardly anyone having guns, than a US-like scenario with many people having guns. :)
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You assume there are no guns in the UK...the criminals have them, while the honest people don't. Fish in a barrel my friend. I'll take the US scenario where my friends neighbors and family can defend themselves with equally deadly force.:thumb:

P.s. Went to England last fall and stopped into a sporting goods store. The guy behind the counter was aiming what looked like a Beretta 92FS at the wall. He said..."I wish I could shoot a real one". It was a expensive all metal BB gun replica. I walked over and told him I had a couple real 92FS's. He had so many questions, and looked at me like I was a celebrity. I felt very lucky to be an American.
 
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Sigd said:
As I just said in another thread:

Actually, you're forgetting that whilst *I* may not have a weapon, 99% of other people won't have a weapon either. As a trained, strong and fit guy, I am actually far better (relatively speaking) at using other weapons, such as a knife or spear.

In terms of prepping, I would much prefer to have a UK-like scenario with hardly anyone having guns, than a US-like scenario with many people having guns. :)
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So a guy that has an "illegal" gun in your part of the world will become an overnite king post SHTF?

If I was in your position, I'd still try to squirrel away a firearm and ammo of some sort, legal or illegal. Or at least know where they were if needed.
 
Discussion starter · #153 ·
PrepperCon said:
So a guy that has an "illegal" gun in your part of the world will become an overnite king post SHTF?

If I was in your position, I'd still try to squirrel away a firearm and ammo of some sort, legal or illegal. Or at least know where they were if needed.
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I don't know about "overnight king", but owning a gun will give you a lot more "power" in the UK than it will in the USA, because it's relative to everyone else in the country.

But yeah, I am definitely going to try to get a gun. I've always wanted one anyway :)
 
Discussion starter · #154 ·
FFM109 said:
Nottingham is a pretty big forest, isn't it?:rolleyes:
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LOL.. you mean this?

Sherwood Forest is a Royal Forest in Nottinghamshire, England, that is famous through its historical association with the legend of Robin Hood. Continuously forested since the end of the Ice Age,[1] Sherwood is today reduced to a 423 hectare[2] (1.63 square-mile) remnant surrounding the village of Edwinstowe, the site of Thoresby Hall.
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So one of our biggest, ahem, "forests" is an absolutely tiny 1.63 square miles. (aka 423 hectare, aka 4,230,000 square metres, aka approximately 1 mile by 1 mile). I think that says a lot about the UK and the state of its natural environment.
 
#155 ·
Sigd said:
I don't know about "overnight king", but owning a gun will give you a lot more "power" in the UK than it will in the USA, because it's relative to everyone else in the country.

But yeah, I am definitely going to try to get a gun. I've always wanted one anyway :)
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Depending on how big the "load" is that hits the fan, and how fast the blades are going; people in all nations may find access to guns much easier than they think. If things are really bad, police and military weapons may be readily available. In this country, National Guard armories are full of weapons - as are police stations. There are many scenarios that can render these stockpiles unguarded for short periods. It's hard to imagine every country not having stockpiles here and there. I'm not thinking of a three day brown-out. I'm talking about a big load and a fast moving fan, and unless there are both, civil authority will still be in control.

Even in WWII, resistance forces (preppers of the day) found ways to cache what they needed, and times were a lot more oppressive than they are today.
 
#156 ·
Sigd said:
LOL.. you mean this?



So one of our biggest, ahem, "forests" is an absolutely tiny 1.63 square miles. (aka 423 hectare, aka 4,230,000 square metres, aka approximately 1 mile by 1 mile). I think that says a lot about the UK and the state of its natural environment.
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Forget the spear, and the coat of mail. Just get a pocket knife.
 
#157 ·
There are *over* 3,800,000 acres of wooded land in Britain. Ancient (existing since 1600) woodland covers 760,000 acres and is less than 20% of the wooded area in Britain.

Sherwood is by no means anywhere near the biggest forest/woodland in Britain. I've got two forests fairly easily accessible by car near me, well two biggies that come immediately to mind, away from towns that is, one is 2750 acres and the other is 24,000 acres, both nice to visit.

It's true that the UK doesn't have the vast swathes of forest cover like the US (12% vs about 33%), but then where would we put all our sheep if we did? :D
 
#158 ·
i feel ya buddy, but something to remember is most of us have guns. Yes i have a decent collection, but so does my neighbor and so on. you may have to resort to swords but that would be an advantage because most people dont own swords. when it comes to guns, true most people dont own an AK-47 they still own guns and depending on the situation could still get the drop on you.
while i'm glad i gave my weapons its still no walk in the park
 
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