What the you think will happen to them ?Will they be left to rot in their cells? Or released into population?
What about people in jail when SHTF ?
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If the proverbial SH whatever,The last thing on my mind is incarcerated people,and I've got members of family incarcerated...Priorities?..Not one of em...Just hope when it hits,I,m not locked up for some trumped up reason...Like bein a NON-CONFORMIST.
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Tax evasion is self defense.
You just try not to be robbed by government. I can understand that, especially if you see how your tax money is working for you in so called Palestine, Egypt etc.
So what?
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I think its 50/50 depending on the SHTF scenario. We could have absolutely nothing change, or in the worst case scenario WROL, the guards would go cell to cell executing prisoners, if for no other reason - just because they could. Think about all the remarks made here about it being open-season as soon as SHTF, if some are willing (or so they say) to start killing "scum bags" ASAP, BEFORE they can be trouble, why do you think guards would be any different?
Tattoos as red flags? In my neighborhood, the lack of ink marks you as an outsider.
Tattoos as red flags? In my neighborhood, the lack of ink marks you as an outsider.
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They will remain in jail just like they did in Katrina and every other event.
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Right! They are from the government and they are here to help you...
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Well, I realize not everyone convicted of tax evasion is otherwise a good person. I was just trying to use a general example that some crimes don't deserve the punishment of rotting in a cell in shtf scenario, there's always exceptions to the norm. The humane thing would be to simply let some people go free. It's difficult decision to make in that scenario but a prison guard must make that decision if he is on duty when a shtf scenario occurred.
Im just glad I don't have that job and I won't have be making that decision. I'll be with my family if it ever happens.
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I would say in 95% of shtf scenarios that is true, maybe even higher. Only a true end of the world scenario would this question even need be addressed. That type of situation is extremely rare and probably won't happen in our lifetimes.
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It would be a case of bad timing for them.
Short term shtf, they would most likely remain incarcerated.
Long term shtf, they would probably see their demise.
In fighting among themselves, guards helping stir the pot, and folks coming in to settle scores with the inmates.
Other than escape, there would be no reason to set the convicts free.
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if things were going down gradually I'm sure the legislature would start releasing short-termers and non-violent in advance to save $ for housing them. if things happen quickly...who knows. a prison might end up with five or ten guards trying to keep order then giving up, probly releasing at least some. would you release hundreds if there were only five or ten of you? probly not.
nasty subject. I suspect modern-built facilities will be almost impossible to get out of.
nasty subject. I suspect modern-built facilities will be almost impossible to get out of.
Yeah, I would agree with that statement from my experience working in a correctional facility in the past as well. One thing I learned about inmates, they are for the most part survivalists because they have no choice. Also, because they have no access to money, they barter with other inmates for stuff, favors, meds, etc. They find value in the most insignificant item that we in our everyday life might take for granted. They are very creative and can make something useful out of most anything. So overall, they are probably better survivalists than your average person. However, there are some people in prison who are just crazy as hell and would cut your throat in a minute if they had a chance.
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S.Neill is correct about sterotyping for years I lurked around this forum like a mouse because I was told as a youngster that survivalist were bad and hateful . How screwed up was that thank God I was curious enough to seek info if it were true. Now as someone who grew up around most of the Criminals in jail where I lived they always form gangs and basically want to do their time and get out. So they tolerate each other . But in Maximin Security forget it . Juvi halls are the worst they behave like animals because they pumped up with testosteron,imatuarity, and think nothing can hurt them. I believe in a SHFT they will be out form gangs split teritories make the citizens pay their taxes.
I say this because gangs in my old neighborhood did this much like the mob fear and intimidation but standing up to them is only solution talking is sign of weakness. Thats my experience . thanks for input keep it coming
I say this because gangs in my old neighborhood did this much like the mob fear and intimidation but standing up to them is only solution talking is sign of weakness. Thats my experience . thanks for input keep it coming
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Of all my jobs in the past few years about half the people I've worked with had been to jail for one reason or another. Of those about half were "normal" people, the other half should never have been left back out. At one job the manager was on parole for assault and the assistant manager did time for assault on a police officer. When I was growing up I was lead to believe that anyone who had been to jail/prison was "evil" and not to be trusted. A survivalist was a crazy loner who lived in the woods and was usually a member of the kkk. Funny how the things you learn in childhood are usually crap. BTW, the manager went back to jail for running a meth lab and the assistant manager is a hardworking family man.
I was taught that stuff as well too ... I just didn't learn anything.
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Yep i'm that naive to believe the gov't!
All i said was there is a plan to deal with them!
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I recall reading at the time that many prisoners were abandoned and hundreds or thousands escaped in Hurricane Katrina. There were prisoners still locked in their cells when the water reached waist level until other inmates helped them escape. A 13 year old girl prisoner was left for days in water up to her neck.
http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-right...-report-details-horrors-suffered-orleans-parish-prisoners-wake-hurricane-katrin
Someone already posted a video documentary link.
Frontline: Battle for Haiti (netflix streaming) is a documentary that deals with the thousands of prisoners who escaped in the 2010 earthquake there.
http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-right...-report-details-horrors-suffered-orleans-parish-prisoners-wake-hurricane-katrin
Someone already posted a video documentary link.
Frontline: Battle for Haiti (netflix streaming) is a documentary that deals with the thousands of prisoners who escaped in the 2010 earthquake there.
All joking aside, is anyone here actually stupid enough to believe that electronic locks in high security facilities will 'pop open' if the power is cut? If anyone is at that level, there's no sense in reasonable conversation with that person. No need into getting into how such security devices work, as opposed to some commercial ones, but com'on...only in bad movies and kid discussions...
Federal, state, county, and city correctional facilities, along with alot of other types of places which house individuals, have some amount of food and water, most also have fuel and generators for different periods. Many of the staff members are incredibly dedicated. Some are obsessive, such as in Les Miserables. Almost all are concerned about their family members and their own butts like the rest of us. Some of them are looking for any excuse to quit a thankless job. Some do the job but would be concerned more about families in crisis.
It depends on a lot of factors. For example, in incidents, the gulf between correctional personnel who are working for some level of government directly and contract corrections is HUGE.
Worse case scenario?
A correctional facility run by Correctional Corporations of America with pencil whipped overrides to minimum and medium level security offenders from several different states in one prison and an undermanned staff with a high turn over just miles from your backdoor, in a place where state and county budget cuts already hit law enforcement. Societal collapse and there ain't no more paychecks coming...you're in a world of hurt.
That would be bad.
Federal, state, county, and city correctional facilities, along with alot of other types of places which house individuals, have some amount of food and water, most also have fuel and generators for different periods. Many of the staff members are incredibly dedicated. Some are obsessive, such as in Les Miserables. Almost all are concerned about their family members and their own butts like the rest of us. Some of them are looking for any excuse to quit a thankless job. Some do the job but would be concerned more about families in crisis.
It depends on a lot of factors. For example, in incidents, the gulf between correctional personnel who are working for some level of government directly and contract corrections is HUGE.
Worse case scenario?
A correctional facility run by Correctional Corporations of America with pencil whipped overrides to minimum and medium level security offenders from several different states in one prison and an undermanned staff with a high turn over just miles from your backdoor, in a place where state and county budget cuts already hit law enforcement. Societal collapse and there ain't no more paychecks coming...you're in a world of hurt.
That would be bad.
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