[UserNameTaken]

A shooting buddy of mine is retired Army. His final posting was performing Rangemaster duty. His wife and kids were as good if not better than the troops he worked with. Fast Forward to present day. His Daughter now works with the DA office and was at the range qualifying to carry for her job (self protection). Her official carry weapon is a 9mm. She also wanted to qualify with her .357 Mag revolver she carries as backup. On her first shot with the Magnum the Range supervisor stopped all fining on the range thinking there had been a firearm malfunction. Yes, even on an outdoor range the .357 Magnum is LOUD compared to other normal carry calibers. We were laughing about the story when my Buddy commented with a huge smile "That's my girl".

LOL - I can relate. I was teaching a defensive pistol class. One of my advanced students was sitting in, a petite little lady around 72 yrs old. She was getting really good. I'd shot with her a bunch and didn't personally check what gun she was using other than noticing it was a snub nose. (I had other instrs on the line for safety checks).

So first lineup of the day, everyone is up to speed, "range is hot." We start a fire drill, everyone is shooting their wonder nines. Pop, pop, pop, pop. KA - B L A A M ! ! !

WTF? I go down to the end of the line to see what blew up. She's shooting a .357 Custom Shop ported Smith with full power loads. That's a little old lady you don't want to mess with!

 

[Late2Prep]

Some backstory.
She’s been living in dorms for the last 4 years, and couldn’t have anything with her.
That’s finally going to get rectified.
She’s been shooting for @15 years now.
Probably not going to carry, but better to have and not need.
As for the apartment, obviously no one has checked out housing in college towns lately it ain’t cheap and affordable houses don’t exist. That part, is what it is.

She openly said that she knew better, but was expecting the boyfriend right about then, and didn’t think.

I left a lot of details out, because they weren’t relevant, and still aren’t.
Obviously I wouldn’t give her anything if she weren’t ready for it, and she’s had her own pistol since she was 10. Just couldn’t take it to college, and it’s time for an upgrade.

Like I said, it’s a reminder for the dads, and moms, out there, not a gun thread.

 

[97guns]

She openly said that she knew better, but was expecting the boyfriend right about then, and didn’t think.

maybe implement a secrete knock for the boyfriend

 

[lowlife]

Got 2 of these. One when my daughter was 15 and one for my wife when she was obviously in case she reads this, only slightly older than 15. It's obsolete now, but there are replacements. Still need to Train though.

 

[Laufer]

Late2Prep:

Does she have time & money to attend two Krav classes per week?

I began these classes at age 64, am now 67. ------The strike pads and large 'kick shields' prevent any injury to students.-------some videos might give you or her the Wrong impressions. It might be best for prospective students not to skim Youtube and jump to conclusions....

Brand-new students easily could mistake how beginners are instructed compared to the more advanced.

A good fraction of it is defending yourself on the ground (techniques with legs/feet, or trap and roll etc) if you get Knocked down. Another fraction is gradually getting people somewhat used to blue plastic knives, batons, handguns.
---in general----, you might resist any actual guns only if they indicate that they will kill you. RCAT: Redirect-Control-Attack (briefly hurt them)-- then Take the gun away. Don't risk your life just to defend your wallet, your car or other property--if nobody is In your car (ie child, old Person, a loved pet).

Weapons tng. is fairly advanced and this takes quite a long while to be reflexive.

The primary core instruction is on your feet with blocks etc --While at the same time if possible --counter-punches. elbows. knees.

The classes give you a Very good Reaction and response Time (and naturally you have far less tendency to Freeze with a "shock" threat) to any sort of grab, choke, arm grab, push, pull or a fist swing.
A daughter or wife (or mother) should not simply assume that she will See or Hear a threat quietly running towards her from a blind spot, or revealing/ "telegraphing" bad intentions within her field of view....

Nobody guarantees that a much larger/stronger attacker can be subdued, but the classes allow you to be Far better prepared than no training. The fact that you won't mentally freeze is probably the most important factor, and will allow you Must....absolutely Must Violently counter-attack. even if your technique isn't ideal (Any sharp counter move/swing/kick etc gives you a Far better chance of Avoiding being crippled or killed!). Females: getting free Might only require the wrist-grab releases (really easy).

PM me here if you want to be discrete, or via AKfiles, Gunboards.
My training school is in Bartlett TN. Schools let you try several classes for free. with no expectations that you will continue. It must be personal initiative.

 

[MGJim]

LOL - I can relate. I was teaching a defensive pistol class. One of my advanced students was sitting in, a petite little lady around 72 yrs old. She was getting really good. I'd shot with her a bunch and didn't personally check what gun she was using other than noticing it was a snub nose. (I had other instrs on the line for safety checks).

So first lineup of the day, everyone is up to speed, "range is hot." We start a fire drill, everyone is shooting their wonder nines. Pop, pop, pop, pop. KA - B L A A M ! ! !

WTF? I go down to the end of the line to see what blew up. She's shooting a .357 Custom Shop ported Smith with full power loads. That's a little old lady you don't want to mess with!
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The interesting thing about Magnums is a lot of people are afraid of them as in think they have a lot of recoil and don't want to even try them. Compared to 9mm they do have a solid recoil. My GP100 6" SST is heavy enough that full .357 Magnum loads are no problem. I have a Ruger LCR in .357 Mag. Now that pistol with full Magnum load gets your attention. I fired 5 rounds of full Mag load (Buffalo Bore) when I first got it. That was enough for my wrist. For me its 38 +P at the most for regular practice and carry.

 

[scaatylobo]

Long story short, she knew better, and got chastised by the dispatcher and her mother.

Nothing happened but it was a wake up for her.

So she heard a banging at the apartment door. Expecting her boyfriend, she just opened it up.
Nobody there.

With a head case living above her, and a mere block off campus, I think she finally gets it.

So now to figure out what to give her to take back after the 4th.
It’s likely she won’t ever carry outside of hiking and camping, so I am tempted to go larger and easier to shoot.

The Shield Plus and Glock 43x are top contenders. We shall see what is in stock in the morning.

This isn’t a gun thread, but a reminder to all the dads to make sure your daughters understand that the world ain’t.

IF you cannot "give her" situational awareness before she heads back.
NOTHING will suffice !.
If she truly knows she **** the bed and will never do so again = arm her as well as she allows.

 

[internet troll]

I’m a big fan of the Ruger max9…… It’s by far the most comfortable design of all the micro 9’s……. it’s also VERY accurate and can be bought with or without a manual safety (which is a good idea for purse carry).

Dont believe the bad reviews on YouTube….. The trigger is very nice and easy to stage, accuracy is amazing and it’s a Ruger so reliability is a given.

And can be found for under $300.

 

[Illini Warrior]

maybe implement a secrete knock for the boyfriend

haven't ever seen a Hollyweird horror pic? - the bad guy is always standing there with a fire axe or a big pig sticker when the woman opens the door for her BF >>> think the weirdo this daughter has upstairs can't figure out it's a "secret knock" ??

 

[arleigh]

what would be nice is having a motion sensor that takes a video of any one approaching the door front and back. it could be hidden in the porch light or other innocuous spot, with a monitor one can see inside the house.

 

[NY Min]

While you're figuring out how to arm her, I'd start with the security bare basics. She needs a one-way view hole in the door or a camera outside it plus a security chain/lock or similar inside it that keeps the door from being forced open more than a crack after opening until the door is reclosed and it is released. In these parts, both those are actually mandatory for the landlord to provide on a rental apartment. (Of course, in these parts, there's also a buzzer and intercom for the building front door so you can identify someone wanting to enter from outside the building before they even get up in front of the peephole. Since no one can guarantee the neighbors aren't idiots, though, you also need the ability to ID someone already inside the building...and pay for a delivery or get an ID to inspect without fully opening the door it you are at all suspicious.)

 

[Largo3]

My daughter has carried a shield or shield plus for the 10 years since she left home. Reliable and she shoots it well. With that said, I would take her to the gun store and let your daughter sort through the pile and see if she has a preference based on how the gun feels when she holds it. Did that with my daughter. I was going to get her another pistol based on my tastes but she was adamant that the shield fit her the best. it gave her some ownership in the decision and she worked hard to become proficient to prove that she had made the correct choice. She still shoots on a regular basis and always bring the brass to me so I can reload it for her, lol. Just a suggestion.

 

[dmas]

New York rental doors are pretty decent but most apartment doors I've seen are easily kicked in.
Having a gun is not a magic talisman, its a big responsibility. You have to know when to act and act fast.
Crazy things happening, sometimes a gun fails. Recently posted this.

Burglar fought off with sword after attacking with pitchfork

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-burglary-suspect-stabbed-sword-attacking-homeowner-pitchfork/281-4a92227e-80f6-4e3f-96d5-92e01ddc2e34 Odd points, besides actual fight were victim got to his gun which jammed, no explanation why. And victim was 71, burglar was 61.

www.survivalistboards.com

 

[DumbOkie]

She’s been living in dorms for the last 4 years, and couldn’t have anything with her.
...
As for the apartment, obviously no one has checked out housing in college towns lately it ain’t cheap and affordable houses don’t exist. That part, is what it is.

She sounds like a smart girl. For the two things above, my daughters ALL carried in college, in the dorms. You can have a rule "no guns", but just keep it secret and it'll fine. Better to have it and not need it, and all that.

Housing: I just bought a house in a college town. Paid $30,000 less than market, and could do it again if I had the money. You just have to get yourself a zillow alert for the areas she wants to live in. Something around 1300 sq ft. She'll be gaining equity and building wealth while she's in college (or you can, if you're paying). Renting is a horrible way to live. Avoid it at all costs.

 

[NY Min]

New York rental doors are pretty decent but most apartment doors I've seen are easily kicked in.

I'm sure that's true, although the little bit of extra time it took to kick it in would at least let her grab the gun or bear spray. BTW, people here whose doors weren't steel or at least steel covered front and back often used an angled brace that fitted into the floor. I think fire rules have made such doors pretty much obsolete here now, but the brace locks are probably still made.

With enough determination and the right equipment you can get through anything, but making it hard/slowing the process down is always worthwhile.

Crazy things happening, sometimes a gun fails.

Shades of my youth and the guys in a dubious part of town who kept a machete behind their door.

 

[third pig]

I would start with a door chain, a peep hole, and/or ring camera (whatever it takes to keep her from opening the door without looking first). Next throw in a deadbolt if there isn’t one and much longer screws in the plate for the door lock. Before you say you cant just drill a hole and put a peep hole in an apartment door, I did for my kid and landlord never noticed.

Once we’ve mastered not opening the front door and making it harder to kick in, then a layer of security is focusing on what to do if someone gets in.

pretty much every apartment my daughters rented ( granted most were in large houses chopped up into apartments not complexes) I installed six inch strike plates with multiple 4 inch screws , beefed up hinges and secured the windows , and on some mounted cameras. Never heard a peep from landlords .

why everyone doesn’t have a Ring doorbell is beyond me.

 

[DumbOkie]

why everyone doesn’t have a Ring doorbell is beyond me.

Because Ring is insecure and spy(hard)ware. A doorbell camera from a different vendor is better. Any other vendor.

 

[NY Min]

why everyone doesn’t have a Ring doorbell is beyond me.

I, on the other hand, have always wondered why anyone would have one, just as I wonder why anyone would want to use Alexa or Siri or outfit their house with so-called smart appliances. Handing all your personal information and the power to control your house and monitor what you do inside it to some corporation is the opposite of security.

And that's not even considering what happens to all that electronic/digital gadgetry when the lights go out and stay out or something kills the computers.

 

[sporksradiant]

I'll echo ring or similar. It does one thing the peep hole in the door does not - allow you to look WITHOUT being in the potential line of fire for someone at the door. We've had folks up the street get shot thru the door because the intruder could hear them on the other side looking.

Now, yes ring sells your data and such. Honestly - I don't care - everything sells your data at this point and unless you go entirely tech free, it's going to happen. At least Ring tells you they are. If I'm having a conversation outside, I unplug mine. But it syncs in with both my phone & alexa which allows me to hear the bell from anywhere and pull up video if I hear a sound outside. It means on a bad day when I'm stuck in bed from pain, I can answer the door and get rid of the missionaries that seem to have descended in droves without causing myself hours more pain.

 

[DumbOkie]

I'll echo ring or similar. It does one thing the peep hole in the door does not - allow you to look WITHOUT being in the potential line of fire for someone at the door. We've had folks up the street get shot thru the door because the intruder could hear them on the other side looking.

Now, yes ring sells your data and such. Honestly - I don't care - everything sells your data at this point and unless you go entirely tech free, it's going to happen. At least Ring tells you they are. If I'm having a conversation outside, I unplug mine. But it syncs in with both my phone & alexa which allows me to hear the bell from anywhere and pull up video if I hear a sound outside. It means on a bad day when I'm stuck in bed from pain, I can answer the door and get rid of the missionaries that seem to have descended in droves without causing myself hours more pain.

Sells, and supplies it to the government. That last one's what killed Ring for me.