if you don't have your mind right when you are packing, you just end up providing a bad actor with a gun.

I would not give any person a firearm if that person did not know when and why and how to use it.

I would not give a gun to a person who did not understand that if the bad actor is reaching for your gun, he is reaching for a gun.

 

If she doesn't know to NOT just OPEN the door... HOW CAN YOU TRUST her gun response?

I'd give her Bear Spray or something to where she isn't going to kill an innocent, UNTIL she wises up.

 

Sadly the quickest way to wise up is pain.

 

Long story short, she knew better, and got chastised by the dispatcher and her mother.

Nothing happened but it was a wake up for her.

So she heard a banging at the apartment door. Expecting her boyfriend, she just opened it up.
Nobody there.

With a head case living above her, and a mere block off campus, I think she finally gets it.

So now to figure out what to give her to take back after the 4th.
It’s likely she won’t ever carry outside of hiking and camping, so I am tempted to go larger and easier to shoot.

The Shield Plus and Glock 43x are top contenders. We shall see what is in stock in the morning.

This isn’t a gun thread, but a reminder to all the dads to make sure your daughters understand that the world ain’t.

That’s scary🙏

 

When my Baby-Girl was a freshman in high school some of the local struts were going to take her and her gf “shooting”…-she was doing live fire drills w my G21 when she was six🙈😂
They had their little 20ga’s and 22 single action revolvers…
“This all you got?”
Shes a Jr at University now..I worry as always but she’s good..
There were some deflated egos that day…
Not everyone is trained early of course…I always told both my kids
“Every Bullet In Every Gun In America Has A Lawyer Attached To It”…food for thought

 

When my Baby-Girl was a freshman in high school some of the local struts were going to take her and her gf “shooting”…-she was doing live fire drills w my G21 when she was six🙈😂
They had their little 20ga’s and 22 single action revolvers…
“This all you got?”
Shes a Jr at Universal now..I worry as always but she’s good..
There were some deflated egos that day…
Not everyone is trained early of course…I always told both my kids
“Every Bullet In Every Gun In America Has A Lawyer Attached To It”…food for thought

A shooting buddy of mine is retired Army. His final posting was performing Rangemaster duty. His wife and kids were as good if not better than the troops he worked with. Fast Forward to present day. His Daughter now works with the DA office and was at the range qualifying to carry for her job (self protection). Her official carry weapon is a 9mm. She also wanted to qualify with her .357 Mag revolver she carries as backup. On her first shot with the Magnum the Range supervisor stopped all fining on the range thinking there had been a firearm malfunction. Yes, even on an outdoor range the .357 Magnum is LOUD compared to other normal carry calibers. We were laughing about the story when my Buddy commented with a huge smile "That's my girl".

 

Long story short, she knew better, and got chastised by the dispatcher and her mother.

Nothing happened but it was a wake up for her.

So she heard a banging at the apartment door. Expecting her boyfriend, she just opened it up.
Nobody there.

With a head case living above her, and a mere block off campus, I think she finally gets it.

So now to figure out what to give her to take back after the 4th.
It’s likely she won’t ever carry outside of hiking and camping, so I am tempted to go larger and easier to shoot.

The Shield Plus and Glock 43x are top contenders. We shall see what is in stock in the morning.

This isn’t a gun thread, but a reminder to all the dads to make sure your daughters understand that the world ain’t.

The Shield Plus is an excellent firearm. I bought one a while back and absolutely love it. If you are a first responder or military (active/retired) Academy will give a 10% discount off their normal $399.00 price. If you have an Academy credit card, subtract another 5%.

 

When my daughter turned 21, my birthday gift to her was a Sig P-250 Compact in 9mm. This is her home defense pistol. P-250's are hammer fired DAO with triggers smoother than most S&W DA revolvers. They aren't in production anymore but were the building blocks for current P-320. I also built her an AR-15 carbine and gave her a Ruger LCP when she was working nights in a sketchy area of her city. She's been shooting since she was 4.

 

I’m a big fan of the Ruger max9…… It’s by far the most comfortable design of all the micro 9’s……. it’s also VERY accurate and can be bought with or without a manual safety (which is a good idea for purse carry).

Dont believe the bad reviews on YouTube….. The trigger is very nice and easy to stage, accuracy is amazing and it’s a Ruger so reliability is a given.

 

And can be found for under $300.

 

What I tell men, with their wives and gf, get what wife or gf is comfortable with, not you! Basic but there are those guys that don't get it. What I tell the gal, practice until you can shoot one handed, a stress situation may very well be one handed.

 

I would start with a door chain, a peep hole, and/or ring camera (whatever it takes to keep her from opening the door without looking first). Next throw in a deadbolt if there isn’t one and much longer screws in the plate for the door lock. Before you say you cant just drill a hole and put a peep hole in an apartment door, I did for my kid and landlord never noticed.

Once we’ve mastered not opening the front door and making it harder to kick in, then a layer of security is focusing on what to do if someone gets in.

 

pretty much every apartment my daughters rented ( granted most were in large houses chopped up into apartments not complexes) I installed six inch strike plates with multiple 4 inch screws , beefed up hinges and secured the windows , and on some mounted cameras. Never heard a peep from landlords .

why everyone doesn’t have a Ring doorbell is beyond me.

 

another little "hint" to teach her - and that BF of hers >>>> Don't devise a "secret knock" to cut the necessity of checking "Who's There" - one of the things that Hollywierd actually gets correct

 

I personally do not think most people should carry a sidearm until at a bare minimum they have taken all the NRA pistol and defense courses (4) from a qualified instr (not a bozo) and a CCW class. This gives them the very basics of safety and law. Knowledge, skills and attitude.

Gunsite 250 and Mas Ayoob's Mag 40 and a day on shooting from vehicles would be a plus and round it out. That is roughly 3 weeks of training, cost under $5,000. At that point one is relatively competent, with a refresher every few years and regular force on force training.

If you can't hit a moving target at 15 ft from a cold start, while you are also moving, you are relying on luck, not skill at arms. Gunfights are dynamic. Yet almost nobody gets an opportunity to train that way.

Maybe one person in 10,000 can do this, if that. Look at your family and friends, and people in your town. Do you know anyone who can meet that standard? I know a handful, all are competitors, instructors, ex-SF guys or swat cops. I know one female instr at that level.

And yet lots of people do manage to defend themselves. But it's luck, not skill.

 

Some good points but, a LOT of folks have defended their families successfully without spending $5k or more on training. And taking valuable time away from their families....just my opinion.

 

Long story short, she knew better, and got chastised by the dispatcher and her mother.

Nothing happened but it was a wake up for her.

So she heard a banging at the apartment door. Expecting her boyfriend, she just opened it up.
Nobody there.

With a head case living above her, and a mere block off campus, I think she finally gets it.

So now to figure out what to give her to take back after the 4th.
It’s likely she won’t ever carry outside of hiking and camping, so I am tempted to go larger and easier to shoot.

The Shield Plus and Glock 43x are top contenders. We shall see what is in stock in the morning.

This isn’t a gun thread, but a reminder to all the dads to make sure your daughters understand that the world ain’t.

I'm glad that your daughter is okay and nothing happened. Hope she is way more careful in the future.

 

I'd get her a Ring or similar for her door. That way she can see from her phone or other electronic device before even going near the door. The peepholes for doors are also good but make sure the inside lens has a cover. They do apparently make magnifiers that allow someone to look through from the outside.

 

I knife/knives might be a good option, her combat if there is one would be hand to hand and not from 10/20 feet away where the gun would have a use

 

I didn't read all the replies, but WOULD she kill an intruder? If she's stuck outdoors sticking her fool head out in the breezeway it might not matter anyway, but if she's 100% sure she could shoot a bad guy (center mass, none of this "in the leg" bull), get her something with ultra low recoil. My daughter and wife both carry the Sig P365 in .380 cal. The recoil is almost nothing, and you can break bones with it.
Then take her to the range every weekend for July. There's 5 weekends this year. That'll get her familiar with it. Show her how to load, clean, etc.
Then, buy her some pepper spray in one of those easy keyring forms, and some bear spray to keep by the bed or wherever she's likely to run if she's being chased. Maybe just under the living room couch, because as we all know girls fall when they're being chased (haha).
That should get her as much as you can. From that point it's just up to her. You can only do so much.

Another thing I'd consider is getting her butt AWAY FROM APARTMENTS. They're about the worst place you can live to be safe. And if a bullet goes through a wall and hits someone she's going to jail.


A note bout doorbell Cams: Good idea, but not Ring. They're owned by Amazon and will actively spy on you. SimpliSafe makes one that's free to use (records with paid sub) and it's anti-spy.

 

There's nothing wrong with a little saturday night special if she can get a conceal carry. Then it's in her purse, car, bank, grocery store...

 

Can she fit a 155mm howitzer up the stairs?

 

Some backstory.
She’s been living in dorms for the last 4 years, and couldn’t have anything with her.
That’s finally going to get rectified.
She’s been shooting for @15 years now.
Probably not going to carry, but better to have and not need.
As for the apartment, obviously no one has checked out housing in college towns lately it ain’t cheap and affordable houses don’t exist. That part, is what it is.

She openly said that she knew better, but was expecting the boyfriend right about then, and didn’t think.

I left a lot of details out, because they weren’t relevant, and still aren’t.
Obviously I wouldn’t give her anything if she weren’t ready for it, and she’s had her own pistol since she was 10. Just couldn’t take it to college, and it’s time for an upgrade.

Like I said, it’s a reminder for the dads, and moms, out there, not a gun thread.

 

She openly said that she knew better, but was expecting the boyfriend right about then, and didn’t think.

maybe implement a secrete knock for the boyfriend

 

Got 2 of these. One when my daughter was 15 and one for my wife when she was obviously in case she reads this, only slightly older than 15. It's obsolete now, but there are replacements. Still need to Train though.

 

Late2Prep:

Does she have time & money to attend two Krav classes per week?

I began these classes at age 64, am now 67. ------The strike pads and large 'kick shields' prevent any injury to students.-------some videos might give you or her the Wrong impressions. It might be best for prospective students not to skim Youtube and jump to conclusions....

Brand-new students easily could mistake how beginners are instructed compared to the more advanced.

A good fraction of it is defending yourself on the ground (techniques with legs/feet, or trap and roll etc) if you get Knocked down. Another fraction is gradually getting people somewhat used to blue plastic knives, batons, handguns.
---in general----, you might resist any actual guns only if they indicate that they will kill you. RCAT: Redirect-Control-Attack (briefly hurt them)-- then Take the gun away. Don't risk your life just to defend your wallet, your car or other property--if nobody is In your car (ie child, old Person, a loved pet).

Weapons tng. is fairly advanced and this takes quite a long while to be reflexive.

The primary core instruction is on your feet with blocks etc --While at the same time if possible --counter-punches. elbows. knees.

The classes give you a Very good Reaction and response Time (and naturally you have far less tendency to Freeze with a "shock" threat) to any sort of grab, choke, arm grab, push, pull or a fist swing.
A daughter or wife (or mother) should not simply assume that she will See or Hear a threat quietly running towards her from a blind spot, or revealing/ "telegraphing" bad intentions within her field of view....

Nobody guarantees that a much larger/stronger attacker can be subdued, but the classes allow you to be Far better prepared than no training. The fact that you won't mentally freeze is probably the most important factor, and will allow you Must....absolutely Must Violently counter-attack. even if your technique isn't ideal (Any sharp counter move/swing/kick etc gives you a Far better chance of Avoiding being crippled or killed!). Females: getting free Might only require the wrist-grab releases (really easy).

PM me here if you want to be discrete, or via AKfiles, Gunboards.
My training school is in Bartlett TN. Schools let you try several classes for free. with no expectations that you will continue. It must be personal initiative.

 

Long story short, she knew better, and got chastised by the dispatcher and her mother.

Nothing happened but it was a wake up for her.

So she heard a banging at the apartment door. Expecting her boyfriend, she just opened it up.
Nobody there.

With a head case living above her, and a mere block off campus, I think she finally gets it.

So now to figure out what to give her to take back after the 4th.
It’s likely she won’t ever carry outside of hiking and camping, so I am tempted to go larger and easier to shoot.

The Shield Plus and Glock 43x are top contenders. We shall see what is in stock in the morning.

This isn’t a gun thread, but a reminder to all the dads to make sure your daughters understand that the world ain’t.

IF you cannot "give her" situational awareness before she heads back.
NOTHING will suffice !.
If she truly knows she **** the bed and will never do so again = arm her as well as she allows.

 

what would be nice is having a motion sensor that takes a video of any one approaching the door front and back. it could be hidden in the porch light or other innocuous spot, with a monitor one can see inside the house.

 

While you're figuring out how to arm her, I'd start with the security bare basics. She needs a one-way view hole in the door or a camera outside it plus a security chain/lock or similar inside it that keeps the door from being forced open more than a crack after opening until the door is reclosed and it is released. In these parts, both those are actually mandatory for the landlord to provide on a rental apartment. (Of course, in these parts, there's also a buzzer and intercom for the building front door so you can identify someone wanting to enter from outside the building before they even get up in front of the peephole. Since no one can guarantee the neighbors aren't idiots, though, you also need the ability to ID someone already inside the building...and pay for a delivery or get an ID to inspect without fully opening the door it you are at all suspicious.)

 

My daughter has carried a shield or shield plus for the 10 years since she left home. Reliable and she shoots it well. With that said, I would take her to the gun store and let your daughter sort through the pile and see if she has a preference based on how the gun feels when she holds it. Did that with my daughter. I was going to get her another pistol based on my tastes but she was adamant that the shield fit her the best. it gave her some ownership in the decision and she worked hard to become proficient to prove that she had made the correct choice. She still shoots on a regular basis and always bring the brass to me so I can reload it for her, lol. Just a suggestion.

 

New York rental doors are pretty decent but most apartment doors I've seen are easily kicked in.
Having a gun is not a magic talisman, its a big responsibility. You have to know when to act and act fast.
Crazy things happening, sometimes a gun fails. Recently posted this.

Burglar fought off with sword after attacking with pitchfork

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-burglary-suspect-stabbed-sword-attacking-homeowner-pitchfork/281-4a92227e-80f6-4e3f-96d5-92e01ddc2e34 Odd points, besides actual fight were victim got to his gun which jammed, no explanation why. And victim was 71, burglar was 61.

www.survivalistboards.com

 

New York rental doors are pretty decent but most apartment doors I've seen are easily kicked in.

I'm sure that's true, although the little bit of extra time it took to kick it in would at least let her grab the gun or bear spray. BTW, people here whose doors weren't steel or at least steel covered front and back often used an angled brace that fitted into the floor. I think fire rules have made such doors pretty much obsolete here now, but the brace locks are probably still made.

With enough determination and the right equipment you can get through anything, but making it hard/slowing the process down is always worthwhile.

Crazy things happening, sometimes a gun fails.

Shades of my youth and the guys in a dubious part of town who kept a machete behind their door.