my neighbor just showed me what it sounds like when he shoots a 22 short out of a rifle. It was virtually silent out of a long gun. I had never seen a short fired before. How much power does the round have?
How powerful is the 22 short.
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I've shot 22 shorts through coconuts that were resting on wooden pallets.
Not only did they go through the coconuts, but they went through the boards on the pallets too.
(I used a pistol with a 7" barrel.)
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A .22 CB cap thru a rifle is more powerful than a Daisy 880 .177 pellet rifle pumped up 10 times (max power). And just as quiet. Plenty of city experience taking out pidgeons with both. A .22 short thru a Beretta 950BS failed to penetrate the skull of a raccoon at point blank range. Had to shoot him in the eye to allow the bullet to penetrate the weak skill area there to kill him. So much for the magazine articles saying how nice of a trapline gun this would be.
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When you look at a listing of how many pounds of pressure it takes to break a facial bone you are surprised that we don't die on every punch we take. It does not take much at all to cave in a cheek bone and yet we seem to take quite a few blows to the face from 100's of pounds of force. Then you take the stoutest bones in the body and fall 'just right' and you get a spiral fracture nobody can explain.
Same with bullet rounds. It is possible to take the same round, the same gun, the same target and the same impact point and get different results.
You can also take the same round, different bullets, different guns, different targets and different impact points and get different results (go figure).
.22 shorts are quiet and less powerful on paper. You do not need all of the power a .22lr has for every application you use it for. Sometimes 'just enough' is really the optimal level.
Out of a 24" barrel your standard velocity .22lr round is almost completely silent in the open (less so if you are near surfaces that reflect sound). The .22 short is even more quiet with even less sound that can reflect. Colibris are in the same boat as far as a sound signature however you should not shoot these out of a rifle unless you check after each round that the barrel is not obstructed. Super Colibris are safe out of 16" barrels and should not give you any issues.
All .22 rounds carry a heavier bullet further and with more down range power than an Air Rifle using standard ammunition. You would need to treat the .22 as a standard rifle round when choosing your targets, backdrop and range of liability while within residential areas.
Same with bullet rounds. It is possible to take the same round, the same gun, the same target and the same impact point and get different results.
You can also take the same round, different bullets, different guns, different targets and different impact points and get different results (go figure).
.22 shorts are quiet and less powerful on paper. You do not need all of the power a .22lr has for every application you use it for. Sometimes 'just enough' is really the optimal level.
Out of a 24" barrel your standard velocity .22lr round is almost completely silent in the open (less so if you are near surfaces that reflect sound). The .22 short is even more quiet with even less sound that can reflect. Colibris are in the same boat as far as a sound signature however you should not shoot these out of a rifle unless you check after each round that the barrel is not obstructed. Super Colibris are safe out of 16" barrels and should not give you any issues.
All .22 rounds carry a heavier bullet further and with more down range power than an Air Rifle using standard ammunition. You would need to treat the .22 as a standard rifle round when choosing your targets, backdrop and range of liability while within residential areas.
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I'm still waiting for the inevitable "if it's so weak, I dare you to let me shoot you with one" comment. I have never understood why normally intelligent people suddenly lose 100 points of IQ and post such idiotic remarks, but it's like a plague on gun forums when discussing smaller rounds.
I have only shot shorts a few times and I didn't much care for them. They're also hard to find and expensive, at least locally. When you consider the point of impact change, I think I'd just stick with .22 LR. I have air guns for when I need something less powerful and quieter. I know an air gun isn't as powerful as a .22 short, but it does the job I need it to do.
I have only shot shorts a few times and I didn't much care for them. They're also hard to find and expensive, at least locally. When you consider the point of impact change, I think I'd just stick with .22 LR. I have air guns for when I need something less powerful and quieter. I know an air gun isn't as powerful as a .22 short, but it does the job I need it to do.
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There are several .22 Short rounds out there, none are cheap but they are useful.
For example, out of my grandmother's 1890 Winchester chambered only for the Short cartridge, the Short accounted for literally thousands of rabbits and jackrabbits over it's lifetime. It kept one branch of the family fed through the depression and well into the '70's when it was retired as it was essentially worn out. (It has since been rebuilt)
The Short (low velocity) HP will take small game out to 20Y reliably, as long as you are shooting properly. It's disgustingly quiet and the bullets won't exit the target many times, great for urban use. An acquaintance uses these to 'remove' varmints from a local cemetery without risk to the headstones that a conventional LR would.
The Short HV load is surprisingly close in velocity to the LR depending on the gun, in some guns with some ammo it can even top the LR for velocity. The difference is the bullet weight and accuracy, some guns won't shoot them for snot, others love them.
My Marlin 39 loves Short HV ammo and holds a handful, and for rabbits and squirrels at normal 'woods' ranges, it's plenty of power for head or lung shots.
Don't sell the Short short, it has it's uses and people forget, it's where the .22 cartridge really started, way back in the 1860's.
As far as the armadillo's go, I've had LR's shot at poor angles bounce off also. Poor shooting isn't the bullet's fault. And a Short went through a 2x4 from the side, when I was showing my son differences in power an ammo.
For example, out of my grandmother's 1890 Winchester chambered only for the Short cartridge, the Short accounted for literally thousands of rabbits and jackrabbits over it's lifetime. It kept one branch of the family fed through the depression and well into the '70's when it was retired as it was essentially worn out. (It has since been rebuilt)
The Short (low velocity) HP will take small game out to 20Y reliably, as long as you are shooting properly. It's disgustingly quiet and the bullets won't exit the target many times, great for urban use. An acquaintance uses these to 'remove' varmints from a local cemetery without risk to the headstones that a conventional LR would.
The Short HV load is surprisingly close in velocity to the LR depending on the gun, in some guns with some ammo it can even top the LR for velocity. The difference is the bullet weight and accuracy, some guns won't shoot them for snot, others love them.
My Marlin 39 loves Short HV ammo and holds a handful, and for rabbits and squirrels at normal 'woods' ranges, it's plenty of power for head or lung shots.
Don't sell the Short short, it has it's uses and people forget, it's where the .22 cartridge really started, way back in the 1860's.
As far as the armadillo's go, I've had LR's shot at poor angles bounce off also. Poor shooting isn't the bullet's fault. And a Short went through a 2x4 from the side, when I was showing my son differences in power an ammo.
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Enough for bagging small game.
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A few months ago I started this thread:
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=147703
I have to say that I am remarkably surprised by the efficiency of the .22 short. I would say that it is also remarkably accurate out to about 30 yards too. This of course is all dependent upon which .22 short round you are using. Out of my rifle the CCI Sub Sonic are the most accurate. I initially tried out a couple different .22 shorts and have been surprised by the lethality of it on small game.
Around here I can find .22 short for about $1.00 or $2.00 more than .22lr. (per 100 rounds) I had originally intended upon purchasing an air rifle until realizing that the .22 short is a more efficient round. For the money I was going to spend on an air rifle I can get quite a bit of ammo. In the long run the air rifle may be cheaper, but I am happier with a little more powerful round.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=147703
I have to say that I am remarkably surprised by the efficiency of the .22 short. I would say that it is also remarkably accurate out to about 30 yards too. This of course is all dependent upon which .22 short round you are using. Out of my rifle the CCI Sub Sonic are the most accurate. I initially tried out a couple different .22 shorts and have been surprised by the lethality of it on small game.
Around here I can find .22 short for about $1.00 or $2.00 more than .22lr. (per 100 rounds) I had originally intended upon purchasing an air rifle until realizing that the .22 short is a more efficient round. For the money I was going to spend on an air rifle I can get quite a bit of ammo. In the long run the air rifle may be cheaper, but I am happier with a little more powerful round.
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Don't under estimate the .22 short. It's one of the most commonly used cartridges to kill racoons with, in some areas it's the only legal cartridge for racoons. I've seen it flop some big angry coons about 3 times bigger than a house cat.
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Dont underestimate the short. Ive killed quite a few hogs with that round. Some a large as 600lbs. they will go thru the skull killing them. Sure a larger bullet would do it just as good but you dont want to waste meat. How ever a 22 long wont penetrate the front of a goats skull. I had that happen before 6 shots in the head all it done was make it mad.
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I shoot the CCI CB Longs. They are the same power as the CB Short but the case is the size of a long rifle. It is much easier to handle and some 22's can not handle the short case.
I have taken possum however, I had to shoot it three times. An opossum is too large an animal for the shorts. Squirrels, rats, birds... are in the range of the short. Don't think you will kill a ground hog with one shot. It is not going to happen.
I have taken possum however, I had to shoot it three times. An opossum is too large an animal for the shorts. Squirrels, rats, birds... are in the range of the short. Don't think you will kill a ground hog with one shot. It is not going to happen.
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Got any pics?
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The CCI CB Longs and CCI CB Shorts are the same exact power, but different cases. The CCI shorts/longs are not nearly as powerful as a standard .22 short cartridge. CCI Short/long is 700 fps 29 grain bullet. Standard 22 shorts go much faster.
the cb shorts & longs are basicly the middle ground between a powerful air rifle and a .22 short. They fill that gap.
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