I really dont have a defensive rifle, all of them are for hunting most are bolt action or single shot. the two semi auto higher caliber rifles i do have have mounted scopes, so thats a no go for home defense( I live in an urban area). however i do have a ruger 10/22, Do you think that this could be a good defensive rifle for home defense if i have a couple butler creek 25 round mags and load them with cci mini mag?
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10/22 defense
I unno man, if i got hit by a 22. round, id probably just get ****ed. (unless im hit in the right spot) So unless your a damn good shot i dunno man. I thought about having a 10/22 for the same thing and decided on getting probably a marlin 336
Go CCI stingers hallow points and pick up one of those rock and roll how-too manuals (not that i recommend doing anything less than legal) but honestly army's don't fight with 22lr's do, why would you other than you can carry an amazing amount of ammo?
I dont see why a hunting rifle cant make a good HD weapon. Mounted scopes dont have to rule it out as a HD weapon at all. If it bothers you that much, you can get a quick detachable scope mount. Then put the scope on when you are about to go out for a hunt.
I think you already have a lot better options right now than the 10/22. A .22 as a self defense rifle (imo) can be used, but when there are no other options. I would prefer a bolt action .308 than a semi auto .22 anyday for HD.
there has been a bunch of study by the south africans on the effects of various rounds.
Look it up
basically only a long center fired weapon shot gun or rifle is near 100% effective with a torso shot.
Look it up i have no doubt the south africans shot people to see what happens.
a 22lr is about 15% effective
but this is a single shot
so it 15% but if you shoot a guy 10 times?
so look up the south african statistics
Look it up
basically only a long center fired weapon shot gun or rifle is near 100% effective with a torso shot.
Look it up i have no doubt the south africans shot people to see what happens.
a 22lr is about 15% effective
but this is a single shot
so it 15% but if you shoot a guy 10 times?
so look up the south african statistics
also it does not really matter what caliber a center fire rifle bullet is at close range if you make a hit according to the south africans it always stops them cold
With good shot placemrnt a .22 would work. Problem is getting that good placement in a defensive situation. A hunting rifle would be ok if the rounds didn"t over penetrate. You might want to look around for a cheap 12ga.(H&R,NEF,etc.) You would be surprised how fast you can reload even a single shot with practice. During the civil war muzzel loaders were fired as fast as 3 times per minute by well trained solders.
No handgun? I would go with one of your hunting rifles honestly. Or get a shotgun. Shotgun is best because most of the energy will be dispersed into the target. A HP rifle may go right through and not expend much of its energy on the target. Also you dont want over penetration in a CQB in and urban environment.
Just my 2c
Just my 2c
intresting, there seems of late a whole bunch of folks thinking about a .22 semi-auto for HD......
i will answer your question this way: when i was a kid growing up it seemend like everyone kept a loaded .22 rifle in the closet JIC.......
i will answer your question this way: when i was a kid growing up it seemend like everyone kept a loaded .22 rifle in the closet JIC.......
what rhino says is true about a rifle if you live in populated area overpenetration could be a big problem
I would not pick a 22 for home defense
if you have to use deadly force it is because the other person is also attempting to use it in you.
shot guns are the best pick especially in the city
I would not pick a 22 for home defense
if you have to use deadly force it is because the other person is also attempting to use it in you.
shot guns are the best pick especially in the city
If all you have is a 10/22 I would not lose sleep tonight over being under protected. even if everything goes wrong tonight a hit with a 22 is still a hit.
There is mucho mucho exageration all the way around about wound ballistics mostly by ammo manufacturers wanting there bullet to magical over all the others.
The fact of the matter is a 22lr can kill a person just as dead as a .50 cal just not as fast. Dead in the end is dead.
you are in the same situation I am in you have people living all around you so a powerful hand gun like a .44 mag or using a 7.62 X 39 in a AK or SKS is bad idea. The 12 gauge shot gun in this case works out very well for home defense.
I would not run out tonight and buy one because the 22lr would just make a bad guy mad or what ever as if 22 lr just bounce off people or only go in a 1" or what ever.
In the end the weapon that can save you will be the one you can use effectively and that you have.
There is mucho mucho exageration all the way around about wound ballistics mostly by ammo manufacturers wanting there bullet to magical over all the others.
The fact of the matter is a 22lr can kill a person just as dead as a .50 cal just not as fast. Dead in the end is dead.
you are in the same situation I am in you have people living all around you so a powerful hand gun like a .44 mag or using a 7.62 X 39 in a AK or SKS is bad idea. The 12 gauge shot gun in this case works out very well for home defense.
I would not run out tonight and buy one because the 22lr would just make a bad guy mad or what ever as if 22 lr just bounce off people or only go in a 1" or what ever.
In the end the weapon that can save you will be the one you can use effectively and that you have.
It's funny when I see quotes from people saying something to the effect that if they were shot with a .22lr it would just **** them off. I guess they never meet any of these guys then, because they use the 10/22 and have without a doubt been there and done that. But hey, what do they know.
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But when I was shot with a .22 I thought I was stung by a bee. Then I pulled up my shirt and was bleeding. Went to emergency waited 3 hours and they took it out. So I didnt feel to impressed with my situation. As for the bolt guns I love my bolt guns and would feel fine with em. Taken down many elk,deer,caribou,antelope with em.
But when I was shot with a .22 I thought I was stung by a bee. Then I pulled up my shirt and was bleeding. Went to emergency waited 3 hours and they took it out. So I didnt feel to impressed with my situation. As for the bolt guns I love my bolt guns and would feel fine with em. Taken down many elk,deer,caribou,antelope with em.
I had a friend.. killed his wife with one shot from a .22 rifle. He eventually died in prison.
Ugh.
Nasty point being. A .22 can kill a person.
Mafia used 'em.
Israeli commandos use 'em.
I use 'em. Squirrels and rabbits.
Ugh.
Nasty point being. A .22 can kill a person.
Mafia used 'em.
Israeli commandos use 'em.
I use 'em. Squirrels and rabbits.
My Grandpa used to kill 300-400 lb. hogs with a single shot .22, one shot behind the ear,they would drop like a rock.That little round would enter the skull and just spin around scrambling the brain. I would not lose sleep over having a .22 for home defense,people underestimate it,but it is very capable of punching airholes in a human body,just be proficient because shot placement is everything
Whatcha got stew.
When you make whatcha got stew, you are hungry and use whatever you have to make it. Almost every time I've eaten this concoction I would have rather had a Rib-Eye. However whatcha got stew filled the hole. If I had to choose between my hunting rifles and my 22Lr, I would choose my 22lr, because my kids live at the opposite end of my hall. However Mr. Scattergun stays in the room with me and I have my trusty nine. Use what you have to the best of your ability and work towards a better tool for the job. If you need to use your 22lr, don't double tap, shoot until the threat is neutralized. Great thread by the way, valid question. I like this one better than some, good debatable question. Thanks for letting me weigh in.
Rob
When you make whatcha got stew, you are hungry and use whatever you have to make it. Almost every time I've eaten this concoction I would have rather had a Rib-Eye. However whatcha got stew filled the hole. If I had to choose between my hunting rifles and my 22Lr, I would choose my 22lr, because my kids live at the opposite end of my hall. However Mr. Scattergun stays in the room with me and I have my trusty nine. Use what you have to the best of your ability and work towards a better tool for the job. If you need to use your 22lr, don't double tap, shoot until the threat is neutralized. Great thread by the way, valid question. I like this one better than some, good debatable question. Thanks for letting me weigh in.
Rob
While the power of the .22 at times cannot be questioned, in this scenario things are a bit different...
He's not 'sniping' if someone breaks in. He won't be sitting 20 yards away, carefully taking aim.
He probably will not be able to stick the rifle up to the side of the bad guy's head, like they do with pigs.
Ideal? Probably not.
That said, if he rounds the corner and an intruder is standing there, it wouldn't take much to get 10 rounds in him. I'm sure that would be a pretty good start...just pray the bad guy isn't weaing a flack jacket or a heavy coat.
He's not 'sniping' if someone breaks in. He won't be sitting 20 yards away, carefully taking aim.
He probably will not be able to stick the rifle up to the side of the bad guy's head, like they do with pigs.
Ideal? Probably not.
That said, if he rounds the corner and an intruder is standing there, it wouldn't take much to get 10 rounds in him. I'm sure that would be a pretty good start...just pray the bad guy isn't weaing a flack jacket or a heavy coat.
If all you have is a .22, great, use it for now. Get something better, there is no reason not to.
People can die instantly from a .22, true.
Is this a common occerence? No.
Let me weigh in some real life experience for you all.
One of my best friends was recently shot in a retarded drive by. It was a caliber deemd "small" probably a .22 LR. It hit him in the arm. It did no damage hardly at all to the bone, and was easily stopped by it. He was back home, and pretty much fine the next day, still has full use of his arm, etc.
.22 is not an effective man stopper.
Did the Mafia use it? Yes! In multiple shots to the head...not willy nilly shooting.
Do some special units in some militarys use it? Yes, but they are well trained and good under stress.
Very few of us here have that disipline to shoot effectively with a .22 LR in ah igh stress situation. So please, save me the Hollywood fantasy. I choose a shotgun because I feel I have a higher chance of effectivly defending myself in case of a real threat. I do not trust myself to make good hits with a .22 of any kind. PLus, I would like to sto pthe threat asap, not...later.
Whatever you use, practice, practice, practice ,and not just shooting, make sure you can reload, clear a malfunction ,etc like it's second nauture. It's what you'll fall back on under stress. It's what I've done with my Mossberg 500.
People can die instantly from a .22, true.
Is this a common occerence? No.
Let me weigh in some real life experience for you all.
One of my best friends was recently shot in a retarded drive by. It was a caliber deemd "small" probably a .22 LR. It hit him in the arm. It did no damage hardly at all to the bone, and was easily stopped by it. He was back home, and pretty much fine the next day, still has full use of his arm, etc.
.22 is not an effective man stopper.
Did the Mafia use it? Yes! In multiple shots to the head...not willy nilly shooting.
Do some special units in some militarys use it? Yes, but they are well trained and good under stress.
Very few of us here have that disipline to shoot effectively with a .22 LR in ah igh stress situation. So please, save me the Hollywood fantasy. I choose a shotgun because I feel I have a higher chance of effectivly defending myself in case of a real threat. I do not trust myself to make good hits with a .22 of any kind. PLus, I would like to sto pthe threat asap, not...later.
Whatever you use, practice, practice, practice ,and not just shooting, make sure you can reload, clear a malfunction ,etc like it's second nauture. It's what you'll fall back on under stress. It's what I've done with my Mossberg 500.
Let me put it this way. Getting hit and having your body penetrated by hot metal while hearing gunfire will scare the living ****e out of anyone but the most combat-hardened. It would work.
IMO, a shotgun, loaded with buck shot, is the best all around home defense weapon. But, a .22 is better than harsh language. Getting shot with a .22 might p*** them off, but getting shot with 25 .22s is going to put a serious hurt down on them.
BTW, you can get a good pump shotgun for around $200.
BTW, you can get a good pump shotgun for around $200.
Remember, the objective is not to kill your attacker, but
to stop them or put out of the fight asap. Large caliber
handguns and buckshot are both better for home defense
that the 22lr.
to stop them or put out of the fight asap. Large caliber
handguns and buckshot are both better for home defense
that the 22lr.
The Mozambique shooting method makes any caliber of gun effective. ANY caliber. So a 10-22 loaded with ammo with the shooter doing 2 to the chest and 1 to the head over and over means that there will be a lot of dead bad guys. Of course the rifle should have some sort of red dot scope or low power scope, like a 4 X scope, with illuminated reticles on it to enhance overall accuracy, especially at closer ranges under 100 yards. Done right and most people would sooner kiss Nancy Pelosi than mess with a competent shooter holding a 10-22 carbine loaded with a 30 or 50 round magazine....
I would agree that a .22 is nasty but not for home defense. I mean if you have to run and take lots of ammo then yes by all means the .22 is the only way to go. You can carry several thousand rounds. But in your house a shotgun (short barreled(legal of course) with Birdshot like #4 inside or Buckshot outside is the way to go. Just racking a shell into the chamber will send chills down any badguys spine when hears schlack clack!!! At point blank range birdshot will blow a guy right back out of the room because the shot stops in the body making that body absorb all that energy. Buckshot will pass through and then through the walls as well.
We keep a loaded 20 guage 870 pump and a 9mm hand gun one on each side of the bed. Someone kicks in my door and they are hamburg. Kingfish
We keep a loaded 20 guage 870 pump and a 9mm hand gun one on each side of the bed. Someone kicks in my door and they are hamburg. Kingfish
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