Depends on which countries are involved. China in it means anything with a chip will be scarce.

 

What countries are involved? If it happens, it will be both Russia and China. Of that I have no doubt.

 

^^^ Yes.

Anything.
All the things.
Random things.

Just in time delivery, long supply chains and worldwide shipping, inability/unwillingness to produce and manufacture goods in the U.S., dependence on foreign manufacturing and foreign markets...

... all the things. =/

 

If war with China, we would be having our supplies pretty much cut from that whole region.
Japan (Honda, Toyota), S Korea, (Samsung), Taiwan (no more high tech chips until they get their plant in the US running), We also get most tools from Japan, Taiwan or China.
Clothing and shoes from Vietnam and Malaysia and China. Drugs made in China. It will be bad news I think.

 

My dad told me there was a shortage of fuel, tires and sugar, when he was a teenager, during WWII. His mother couldn’t get any sugar. She made cookies with molasses. I’m sure there were many other items in short supply, but those are the ones he told me about.

Today, there are all sorts of things that weren’t even around in those days, that could be in short supply. Things like computers and iPhones. Ammunition would be high on the list, I would guess.

 

I would expect things to be at least 10 times worse than during the pandemic. We’ve seen how much people panicked during a bad flu. If they’re scared that at any moment a nuke could land near where they live, there will be a lot more panic buying.

 

Was going to say this, as well as supply chains would be massively disrupted to the point of near nonexistence.

 

It would also depend on whether the war was on U.S. soil or not.

 

If it were on US soil I would expect to be an irregular combatant and not real worried about shortages of consumer goods.

 

Radiation-free air?

Fresh food?

Hard to say, actually.

 

Everything will become hard to get.
Manufacturing?? Like we did in WWII, turning out aircraft by the tens of thousands, rifles by the millions, ships by the many hundreds, and everything else as well??
Never happen. We simply do not have the ability to do that today.

Nope. If there’s a big enough war, this country is doomed.
Which is exactly what the globalists want, what the American leftists want, what the international bankers want.

 

We didn't have the ability to do it before WWII. We ramped up our manufacturing basically overnight. We are much more capable of doing it right now than we, as an isolationist country, did back then. Within 10 months The 7,275 acres Badger Ammunition Plant was open and producing arms. It went from farm fields to ammunition in less than a year. The farmers were literally rounded up and kicked out, many of their belongings left. In 2013 when it closed those farm houses were dusty time capsules.

We have a war based economy now. Billions are spent on war today. We are much more capable today than we, ever were back then. When the human fighting spirit is raised we can be mobilized overnight. Politicians know this, which is why they rile up each side to fight the other. Giving the country a common enemy instead of each other wouldn't be too hard, we're always kept on the edge of agitation now, with very little effort from TPTB side.

 

everything will be scarce except leadpoisoning risk will be up big time

 

I don’t have any relatives left that would remember what it was like during wwii but I think people were more motivated to work in those factories manufacturing war necessities-at least that’s what we read. A lot of younger people today do not have these morals to do their part. God help us. And I think another poster was right, after seeing people empty the stores during covid, most have not learned from it so it will happen again. If adults were going to war, teens would be able to take those jobs in food restaurants, deliveries, etc like back in the old days. We’d have a lot less Amazon deliveries because prices on what’s left in their stock would go up. Would we really let all these giant ships into our ports during a war? It’s just crap we don’t need anyway. As long as our truck drivers are still working, I think we can keep supplies stocked. Only worries to me would be coffee and sugar-neither which I personally use.

 

even if the overseas manufacturing would continue or the warehouses were filled - the transportation shipping will be haphazard - and wartime shipping of civilian type merchandise would be low priority - the GOVs will be seizing ships as well as the planes - domestic transportation control is a given - and manifests will all be under GOV directives ....

 

Illini,

We do have adequate vessels and tonnage for mobilization (If I may hedge and quote a retired IDF colonel who said something in ARMED FORCES JOURNAL INTERNATIONAL: " In war, too much is never enough.")

Remember the 11 (eleven) foreign flag tankers that were reflagged to US registry ?

Yes, of course, you're right. transportation control is a given.

 

Just picking other's minds. WWII caused shortages in a lot of things, and also caused manufacturing to shift.

If WWIII were to break out, what shortages would you expect as a result of the war, particularly if it is prolonged? What manufacturing changes would you expect, and relating shortages from those?

Sporks,

I would expect private citizens to experience drastically resuced health care provided services eg also dentist care, optican care, Hospital stays at minimal to nil level.

Would expect shortages in RX pharma and OTC pharma.

Fuel for transport vehicles eg cars, recreational boats nearly impossible to obtain unless private citizen is in service to government either directly or indirectly. Determinations would be strict involving ctiminal code.

I would expect accelerated manufcturing of Polar-class vessels. Cruise ship would leave economy along with ferry service for many "lower 48" routes.

Housing would feature a rapid return to apartment living.

 

With most of our manufacturing being done overseas, I'd say lots of things would be in short supply.
Includes food also. No farm machinery parts, food supply would eventually be shortened.

Crude oil. With our present buying of crude instead of pumping out our own, fuel would diminish.
Crude oil ships coming ashore would be a main target.

 

Steve,

In a WWIII, I'd be activated to work the onward haul of the oil and distillates using our inland waterways (all states less Alaska and Hawaii but also includes Panama Canal) Did this as a reserve Federal Emergency Manager w/ Office of Emergency Transportation, USDOT. Now with Energy / Dept Homeland Security.

Our fuel delivery system is well established. The US labor force, if I even need to scribble this, can be worse than an enemy.

The overseas purchasing rather than pumping the vast pools in US due to purchase of allies.

 

If WW3 breaks out, I'd expect it to go nuclear very quickly. Uncontaminated food and water will be hard to come by. What you have in your preps is likely all you will get for quite some time.

 

So everything would be in short supply but I don't think other countries would be better off. Look at how russia is struggling to replace its equipment. Something as simple as ball bearings are causing problems. Everyone's supply chain is inter connected together. Plus both sides have long range attacking capabilities of some sort. It would not be that hard to cripple what's left of a supply chain with a few precision strikes.

 

I'd expect massive famine in a lot of third world countries. I doubt there will be much, if any, maritime deliveries. I sure hope those at the top that are going to make the decision to start the war or back down really, really think about the consequences this war will have on humanity.

 

Iron mills, which most of ours are long gone. We sell and ship our scrap iron overseas. It comes back as iron/metal stock.

We got a new iron mill a couple of years ago north of us. It took 3 years to make it operational, and it's not huge.
It takes iron and a fuel source to make a iron mill.

 

Common sense, kinda in short supply right now.

 

There were alot of shortages during WW2, because a huge amount of working men were overseas fighting the war. Thus, leaving many vacancies for jobs in the US mainland.

Enter "Rosie the Riviter" Women entered the workforce and boosted production.

Many of the producers re-geared to producing for the War Effort rather than produce for the domestic market.

I think mechanization will be able to fill the gaps somewhat, but spare parts to keep the macinery going will be the problem.

 

If there were a true emergency, a lot of these Enviromentalist laws would be exempted...in the name of War

We have the ability to build things at an amazing pace if you take away all of the Red Tape the Govt throws at us.

Never under-estimate the ingenuality of humans. Many advancements in Technology have came from WAR...

 

in case of war the EPA would be scrapped... you have the raw materials for most stuff... but getting cafelatte drinking selfieshooting woke tools to actually produce something useful, that will be your problem... and getting soldiers... most can't even go shopping without being near a heart attack and they have never in their life done anything physical so digging a latrine or a hideout would most likely kill them, but then you can atleast use them as sandbag cover as they start piling up...

but I am sure old factories can get up and running fast if everyone drop everything and focus on it and all the females can quickly learn to bandage bleeding soldiers... we have done it before, we can do it again, stand up as a nation at war... and kids down to like 15ish will be either nurses or soldiers or other war related jobs just notice it is only the disposable plebs... the rich ones will have safe easy jobs...

 

Bits,

We are slowly changing the land forces "problem" via NGOs. These orgs are streamlined and already experienced.

True, the cafe latte wokes don't even get sweaty during a tennis game with friend.

Sometimes - new facilities are disguised foundations for mobilizations. We have some new homeless shelters throughout the mid-Atlantic coastal region. After cleaning and disinfecting these places, they're really responder facilities for military, LEO aux, and other pre-established critical responders.

A real good point ref the holding tanks ... er....... the US public high schools. I amticipate the program will be partly academics and some mobilization skills with training as part of H.S. graduation requirement.

Eventually, I'm guessing the US will adopt a Janissary Corps like started in Ottoman Empire / Turkey and first to field an expeditionary army with firearms.

 

I was 6 years old when WWII broke out, living in a rural farming area. My father's critical skills brought him to downtown Los Angeles, and us to a suburb. Fortunately there were some vacant lots, and neighbors worked together to plant gardens, raise goats and chickens, etc. Fuel, rubber and many primary source foods were very scarce. I can remember my father "rebuilding my shoes" They had to be stretched as I was growing. He resoled his and my mothers. Vacations? 4 families all pool the gas coupons and ride in several cars for a local lake and that was it.

Todays younger generation does not have the skills, nor the fortitude to endure deprivation. They will not fight, they don't believe in "America and our values". Some older folks will step up and run our industries. But the overall effect is that we could not ramp up to the scales as wwII. So much of our military equipment is computer (ie chip) operated. and we just don't have that capacity currently. John Deere and Caterpillar will crank out what is needed, and probably can ramp up. The auto manufacturers to some extent. Ships? We are down to only two or three really effective shipyards for the building or supply of the massive navy which would be necessary for a War in the Pacific. Air craft, not too far off either. Ships and planes are so much different and complex with multiple source supply of parts.

The war will escalate very rapidly and hypersonic weapons may well be first strike. If we can get second strike in, it is a game changed. If not--we are overcome. The grid, water supply and transport will grind to a halt except for military needs. We spend a lot on the military, but I question what we really get. There is a lot of graft in the supply lines.

I am not sure how much occupation would be necessary. We already have plenty of politicians who would love to lick the boots of other communist leaders. Those of us who are patriots will be the gorilla force attacking our own leaders who surrender to the enemy. Are there enough patriots in the National Guards, Reserves, and law enforcement ranks? I don't know--but it may well be a civil war, rather than minimal occupation. For example, I would rank our state of Florida as those who would resist. But not Calif. New York, Oregon, or Washington. Those who control the utilities, and health care control the population!

 

...For example, I would rank our state of Florida as those who would resist. But not Calif. New York, Oregon, or Washington.

Should such "invasion" occur, we all may be rather surprised by whom does what & where.

Lets not forget that there are still quite a lot of normal folks in those (and similar) States.

I'd have to do a bit of digging to get actual %'s, numbers & such. However it is my understanding that % actual combatants of/in more recent (say within 100 years) insurgency type actual combatants is likely less than 5% of overall population.

Edit, adding: so lets say Oregon has a population of 4.5 million (it's a bit higher, I think). Going from my "recollection" of 5%, that would be around 225,000 combatants in Oregon alone. Lets say I'm off on my recollection by a factor of 10, and only .5% of Oregon's population turn out go be true combatants. That's still ~23,000 combatants.

Rather significant to counter that number even at .5%, which would require vast resources (or massive depopulation). Both of which would draw resources away from other States which have higher populations, and even more combatants.

 

Once nukes are used, manufacturers will stop, other than some local operations…Trade will go awhile on warehouse stocks and local farm goods…Everything will be short…
Lesser events will bring on shortages like the toilet paper scare of 2020🙈

 

Medicine, gun powder, fuel, and batteries.

 

Hookers and Blow

Oh, and those little 6-packs of gas station chocolate donuts.

 

Hookers and Blow

Oh, and those little 6-packs of gas station chocolate donuts.

If ever I'd need hookers and blow, it would be then.

 

yep. Pretty much everything.
Cars won't have components to operate
power grid won't have transformers, computer controls

the list of tech controlled items is endless these days.

was surprised to learn most of my frozen fish/etc ain't from around here... from Gordon Seafood's website: "....We also procure farm-raised aquaculture seafood including tilapia and shrimp, from various countries, including Ecuador, China, Indonesia, Vietnam, and India"


Fuel, food, medicine, silicon circuits, and cheap-A items that make the walmart list -from vacuum cleaners on down.

We are a nation of consumers who have enjoyed the power of the dollar
We make far too little. It'll be ugly.