Yes. Even the titanium ones like Silencer Central shouldn't be over $200. If they are no longer classed as a firearm/NFA item and people can make their own it will be a huge game changer. Reuse and old maglite and some freeze plugs, get a foot of cheap tubing and 3D print some baffles - whole new world.

 

Kevin from Q was talking about how cruddy singers are overseas where they are legal. They are hard to export/ import and he goes on hunting trips. So he uses the “native “silencers. They are just not as good because they are cheaper and disposable products.

I think absent a tax stamp a lot of the market would be disposable.


Btw I don’t see a 2a solution to the NFA.

congress could end it much easier. The NFA is a tax and tax cuts can be done in budget reconciliation without 60 senate votes. But sadly nobody is even pushing for this. The house has such a narrow majority it would be easy for a freedom caucus member to condition their vote on this cut and win.

 

Threading barrels might get a backlog.

 

Consequences of a great opportunity

 

The more people making them the cheaper the price will get.

 

I'd like to have a Suppressor, but I'll bet that Calif would outlaw them in some way even if legal in all the other states.

 

I'd like to have a Suppressor, but I'll bet that Calif would outlaw them in some way even if legal in all the other states

sounds like a Newsome pile of BS.

 

If they are taken off the nfa list, they will become a 4473 issue, just fill it out and its yours...

 

That would be nice. No more double ear pro at the range at least for pistol rounds.

 

I really hope they get removed as a NFA item. While they are at it, remove short barreled rifles from the list too.

 

My take on this is: if ATF does away with the Form 4 requirements, suppressors will fly off the shelves. Manufacturers will be backlogged for months.

Suppressors will be like ARs. Just about everyone will have at least one.

 

I make no claims here. Do your research.

 

Kind of like the “fuel filters” I keep seeing advertised.

I hear those oil filter relocations require some adapter nipples. No experience here, I go OEM on mine.

 

If they drop the tax stamps, I imagine there will be a lot of bananas in people’s pockets, just saying
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Amendment with main bill to remove suppressors from the NFA and eliminate the $200 tax passed the House intact. Now off to the Senate. I guess we will see if it passes the Senate intact?

 

Prices will probably go down at some point, there will be a larger used market as well.

 

I would think within a couple years on the outside. There will be a rush for millions to buy suppressors and then it will slow down. I heard someone say that prices could likely drop 50% at least over time. There is certain to be many new manufacturers as well. I do not want to count my chickens before they hatch though.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the suppressor industry is quietly working behind the scenes to keep them in the NFA.

 

They are heavily into lobbying to keep them regulated as not to disrupt their business model

 

Son called this am to tell me this passed, thus far. He then asked my opinion about prices and stocking them in his store.

I told him, imho, prices will jump initially due to supply and demand as folks rush to get theirs as soon as new law goes into affect (if it passes the Senate). Then prices will begin to decrease as demand slows.

 

I think threaded barrels will jump in price and will be scarce for a bit. Sure a lot of people have ar15s that they could suppress easily but how many people have threaded pistol barrels? I have a lot of handguns but only 1 of them is threaded. COMBAT ARMORY has Glock threaded barrels starting at 35 dollars.

Personally I don't like trying to catch trends with my gun parts business.

 

I’m watching close to see if the ATF has to bow to the legality of silencers becoming a 2A protected item.

Will these devices become a commodity like magazines, interchangeable grips, red dots and the like; prices dropping far below current prices?

and your thoughts?

It passed, and yes. Without having to deal with the NFA & 200.00 they should become cheaper, more players in the market, and legal to make for personal use in most states. You can bet there is a move a foot to restrict them in the blue states you know the ones confused on gender that fly rainbow flags

 

I will definitely be heading to the hardware store if this gets signed.

 

I would like to be able to DIY one as well.

Parts kits will most likely be made available as well.

 

I suspected as much. With all the hoops they had to jump through to get licensed to manufacture them, combined with the process citizens have to go through to purchase them, it gives them almost a monopoly on the product. It's not surprising they would be protective over their little empire. If it was unregulated, the industry would open wide and every machine shop in America could pump those things out. That would drop the price significantly.

That would bankrupt companies like Silenceee Co., so they're literally fighting against American freedom for the sake of their profits. Just diabolical. Just one more reason why I haven't gone through the silencer purchase process. Drain the damn swap.

 

I think silencerco has been backing legislation to remove them from the NFA.
the amount of money NFA compliance costs manufacturers is likely considerable. Plus they are still going to be a 4473 required purchase. So you’ll have to be licensed to manufacture ( for profit ) or sell them.

The 200 dollar tax stamp and the headaches for consumers hurt their sales.

My guess is that the big manufacturers will make more money when they are off the NFA.

Look at red dots. I can buy a disposable Chinese red dot for 30 bucks. I can buy a decent primary arms red dot for 120. But aim point still makes money selling higher quality for 500. And there is not nearly the protections on their market.

It’s really hard to import firearms. So I don’t think we will see cheap imports flooding the silencer market. My guess is , in addition to the 200 less for the stamp , you see a 50- 200 dollar reduction in the price of existing silencers and comparable future models. Cans from companies like dead air or Q might not drop much at all esp for the first few years. They are already selling all they can make.

You will soon start to see decent , but cheaper “ disposable “ cans come on the market. You’re already seeing a little of that with rimfire stuff. These will be heavy , less durable , bigger , etc. but they will be 300 bucks.

Also look to see kits. “ 80 percent “ silencer type stuff. Or even cans with replaceable baffle stacks you can buy later.

In the short term , expect shortages. Major shortages. Hopefully some companies can tool up to meet the wave of demand that is likely to hit soon. The full removal from the NFA may not make it past the senate. But the reduction of the tax stamp cost to zero almost surely will. Both are in the budget bill as a safeguard.

Either will drive demand through the roof.

 

I'm enough of a pessimist to watch closely to see if this makes it through the final version. Now that it has hit the Senate floor, how many Senators will go along with this?

 

Will prices drop? maybe, it depends on how the manufacturing/production side is regulated. Freeing up the consumer side of the equation is one thing.... a good thing, yet it's not the only thing...LOL

The manufacturing side of the equation could remain intact or be modified to the extent that it narrowly defines who can engage in manufacturing.

They could create an exclusionary supply-side environment, one that favors current suppressor manufactures. Thus limiting market expansion by those want to engage in the business.

Anyway...
This conversation is a bit premature as the bill still has to make it through the senate (intact, with the short act included) and be signed off on by the president.

 

Silencer Central is lobbying to keep them on the NFA from what I have heard.

 

This needs to be spread far and wide, kinda like cheaper than dirt with their gouging after Sandy hook.

 

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Don't forget, people will be start ordering diesel fuel filters like crazy. The silencer market will go through a seriously needed correction and I will be first in line.

 

Prices will skyrocket due to demand, for awhile.


If suppressors come off nfa, there will be a couple hundred can companies spring up overnight.

 

That depends on how they plan to regulate who is allowed to manufacture suppressors. There are two sides to this coin. The consumer side and the manufacturer side.

One would hope they'd ease regulations across the board, yet that remains to be seen. It certainly wouldn't be the first time we've seen manufacturers throw consumers under the bus to protect their own interests.

 

I hadn’t heard about the SilencerCentral hubbub. I went looking for sources and while I usually hate YouTube videos, MrGunsandGear’s video was pretty good. His “inside sources” seem to be the source for the anti-SilencerCentral hate. I think he’s an honest dude so it might be true. Plenty of companies out there to by from instead.

I don’t like burning companies at the stake on conjecture, but if it’s true, well, bye. Burn.

Now, Senate do your job. They’re the most dysfunctional group of supposed grown-ups.

 

I don't think I would for hunting. I don't even care about the boom or the blast hunting... less than a dozen shots and electronic hearing protection no biggie to me. HD? Oh Yeah. Now that's useful to me.

 

That too.

 

Im not optimistic. Id bet the Senate uses this part of the bill as a bargining chip to get the One Big Beautiful Bill passed.

 

Well since part of H.R.404 was rolled into the reconciliation with the one big beaut bill, it's the only way it will pass for now. The house rolled it in and it has passed. Entirely up to the Senate now.