When the risk to reward ratio makes sense to them. That's nowhere near a reality where I live.

 

^^^ This right here. Same thing where I'm at.
I'm in a small rural farming community.
I don't have a ton of high value crap in the house for them to pawn. (other than my firearms)
Those weapons will get used (effectively) by a cranky old combat vet long before they ever see a pawn shop.

 

I've thought about this potential also. At some point it may happen, but I think there would need to be a major scale failure event on the order of say, shutting down sections of the power grid. Most households in my area are armed however.

 

closed businesses don't have armed people inside. The majority of the cities where you see this stuff are progressive strongholds where firearms are severely restricted and the local DA is more likely to prosecute the person defending their business than they are the looters. The thugs know this...

 

Not as a rule during normal times I agree. However, the OP was wondering about targeting "residential properties".

 

Around here I think this would be the typical scene. Our DA actually proesecutes compared to the one in Portland.

 

Pretty much the same here.

 

Don't advertise your stuff or **** people off and you should be okay. I know a guy who put little rifles on his car and a sign that said something like "don't worry about the dog. Worry about the Smith and Wesson" to show off his gun collect. Then he was confused his house was broken into all the time. Guns are the #3 or 4 reasons for break in, depending on where you live. Don't be waving them around, don't leave your drugs (including prescription drugs) in the window, don't leave money in plain view or don't put up a sign that says "I have lots of electronics and jewelry laying around" and you should be okay. Stores, by their very nature, have to advertise their merchandise, and trade those things for cash. Cash and stuff are big reasons to break in, revenge could be another, and drugs are the #1 reason for break ins in much of the country. Don't tell anyone about your pain meds.

 

Don't advertise your stuff or **** people off and you should be okay. I know a guy who put little rifles on his car and a sign that said something like "don't worry about the dog. Worry about the Smith and Wesson" to show off his gun collect. Then he was confused his house was broken into all the time. Guns are the #3 or 4 reasons for break in, depending on where you live. Don't be waving them around, don't leave your drugs (including prescription drugs) in the window, don't leave money in plain view or don't put up a sign that says "I have lots of electronics and jewelry laying around" and you should be okay. Stores, by their very nature, have to advertise their merchandise, and trade those things for cash. Cash and stuff are big reasons to break in, revenge could be another, and drugs are the #1 reason for break ins in much of the country. Don't tell anyone about your pain meds.

Prescription drugs are the #1 reason burglars break in residential houses?

Several years ago I read of a robbery where the criminals took the pain killers but passed on the cash.

 

I'm not worried about mobs coming here. I live in a town of about 1500 and everyone knows who belongs here and who doesn't. In addition, we argue about which shotgun would be better if someone broke into your house.

 

. In addition, we argue about which shotgun would be better if someone broke into your house.

I had a similar argument with a neighbor recently. Ours was about shotgun ammo. I'm in the #4 buck shot camp and he was of the 00 buck shot persuasion.

In all seriousness though he's a good neighbor. We keep an eye out for each other. Multiple times we've both stepped outside in the middle of the night when weird vehicles roll by.

 

''There is coming a time when well organized flash mobs will loot rich people's homes, high end department stores, and any other place that the rich congregate, live in, vacation at, etc. It'll be like Robin Hood, but not for good, but rather evil.''
John Paul Jackson

 

''There is coming a time when well organized flash mobs will loot rich people's homes, high end department stores, and any other place that the rich congregate, live in, vacation at, etc. It'll be like Robin Hood, but not for good, but rather evil.''
John Paul Jackson

And I believe this will happen because of gross underpayment and gross extreme stress legitimate workers on going through so that the bleeding rich can be bleeding rich.

 

It's my understanding that these mobs are organized syndicates with bought and payed for protections.

 

Who are they paying?

 

The stores basically accept the losses because they are more afraid of the liabilty costs involved should they get sued. That's why they fire trustworthy employees for doing the right thing. Homeowners do not have that same concern.
In a retail setting you cannot shoot someone for stealing. Once your home has been invaded other laws come into effect. Oh, and maybe don't shoot through the door...

 

The stores basically accept the losses because they are more afraid of the liabilty costs involved should they get sued. That's why they fire trustworthy employees for doing the right thing. Homeowners do not have that same concern.
In a retail setting you cannot shoot someone for stealing. Once your home has been invaded other laws come into effect. Oh, and maybe don't shoot through the door...

I saw a video of a couple of young women trying to prevent a theft in a store. It was just a small amount physical and they didn't hurt anyone. They both got fired.

 

Here in the Ozarks we don't get that non-sense. You have to assume everone is armed here.
I agree with the notion expressed above that this behavior is a risk benefit analysis.
We do get property crime but not brazen pack-theivery.
On a related but different note, we don't get people mobbing into resturants and bull-horning and shouting about political non-sense.
As the great Robert Heinlein said, An Armed Society is a Polite Society.

 

If they do their population will probably be thinned down quite a bit - occupational /. workplace hazard. Unfortunately, OSHA / Feds will probably step in and provide them with vests in the name of workplace safety.

 

My belief is that if Americans did not have the right to bear arms. We would have already seen leftist mob rampages through residential neighborhoods. They take the path of least resistance.

 

If you live in or near a Marxist-Democrat ruled area, I see residential attacks increasing. Just having a firearm isn’t going to help when Marxist prosecutors will target gun-owning homeowners who were targeted and/or victimized by mobs of thieving animals.

I don’t know where in Austria and Germany, but I worked with a bunch of coalition forces a few years ago in Afghanistan who had firsthand knowledge of neighborhood theft attacks. Groups of non-citizen migrants would literally target a neighborhood, drive in, and do mass theft of homes during the day. No law enforcement (or showing up after the event to take statements) present, no armed citizens, and citizens would get into legal trouble if they physically resisted. It boiled their blood…and we aren’t too far behind. I think most of the passive citizens mirrors much of our liberal idiots in the suburbs where they would yell harsh words as roving groups of thieves steal in broad daylight and the one guy (or gal) who pushes back gets pummeled into the pavement making an example of any additional resistance. Police are nowhere to be found until after the incident and any self-defense will be criminalized or finically destroyed. I see that coming to American suburbs and residential areas close to Democrat cities with high crime rates first...and then bleeding into more conservative areas.

As law enforcement becomes more feckless, scared, or minimized, and anti-self-defense prosecutors attack citizen victims with no federal support on gang-affiliated/cartel-organized groups of thieves hitting more rural homes and neighborhoods…just make sure you have a good discreet location to bury, burn, or dispose of those particular threat vectors.

ROCK6

 

Because we have Castle Doctrine

 

This really isn't new - the big difference is that is not an active riot going on.

During the unpleasantness in LA back in '92, organized gangs looted liquor stores outside of the riot area - except for Koreatown.

from 2020 - Looters who hit L.A. stores amid protests explain actions - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

no riots needed today -
also 2020 'Organized Effort' Led To Looting In Chicago: Lightfoot | Across Illinois, IL Patch

Mobs of looters are grabbing goods in California thanks to downgraded shoplifting laws (nypost.com)

Bellevue police chief says looters are part of organized crime ring – KIRO 7 News Seattle

my point on the links is to show this is a common problem in Urban areas where the ROL is worn so thin, it is nearly nonexistent.

FWIW, using the term 'looting' is now considered racist in California. Go figure.

As far as residential thieves, the only news I've seen is gangs of South Americans from Chilie cleaning up.
Bad enough now to get a Wiki entry - South American theft groups - Wikipedia
These cats are in competition with local (US based) groups like the Travelers and the like.

 

If I was in a mob, I'd think it made sense loot the place where I've visited before and seen lots of valuable/resellable items up for grabs, in a location that's designed to be visited and safely exited by large numbers of people. Right next to lots of other places with the same thing going on, close to 0 travel time between them.

Organized retail crime has been a thing for ages, and mobs looting businesses seems like just another experiment in its evolution.

Looting a business is a guaranteed profit: You know what they have, and where, and how it's secured, and where they keep their cash.

Looting a house is much less reliably profitable: What do they have? Where do they keep it? Can you get to it? Can you easily leave with it to liquidate it? How long does it take to get to the next one?

That's even before the dynamic where a large enough mob can occupy all the available security personnel, rendering other looters relatively safe from consequences in a retail setting, whereas a single armed homeowner can pose a serious threat to a stream of aspiring invaders.

Plus, how are you going to liquidate items stolen from a home? I suspect that people in the demographic which loots and riots will have some experience with attempting to pawn or resell used "valuables", and have some intuition that stuff from around the house doesn't get you as much money as it would if it was new off the shelf.

Burglary is a threat to homes, and if I lived above a retail space, I'd worry about being collateral damage from retail looting. The rise of e-commerce increases the threat of targeted burglary -- if say a bullion retail site was breached, attackers would know the address where every customer had their precious metals shipped. But I don't think the profit of mob looting scales to residential areas in a way that would make it a desirable way to repeatedly profit.

 

Looting a business is a guaranteed profit: You know what they have, and where, and how it's secured, and where they keep their cash.

Looting a house is much less reliably profitable: What do they have? Where do they keep it? Can you get to it? Can you easily leave with it to liquidate it? How long does it take to get to the next one?

This ^

Criminals are inherently lazy otherwise they wouldn't steal stuff, they would work for the money to pay for it.

Businesses have their stuff on display so the world will want to buy it. Home owners ought to keep their stuff mostly private. In my area thieves target open garages where the golf clubs, motorcycles, skis and other stuff is in plain view. Ring the doorbell to see if anybody is home, if not the stuff is quickly stolen.

 

Not going to happen. Thugs don't operate where the traffic lights end.

 

Cops have a slow responce time and are stretched thin. Vigilanties do not. Outside of 100 yards, most AKs are lobbing horseshoes, most ARs are in thier sweet zone out to 300 yards. Most AR10s at 400-600 yards and most bolt guns operate in those ranges against #140 deer. 20 million scoped rifles in the States, 4-5 million in very practiced hands.

Thats why the Feds arent an actual threat either.

Thats why they gaslight us so hard as what they actually are. They are very, very vulnerable. Horribly vunerable. Thats got to be very threatening to wanna be nazis.

 

Interesting comment about AK accuracy. I owned a MAK-90 that could place every shot on a man size target at 200 yards.

 

Organized theft gangs want the most milk with the least moo. They can walk into a retailer in a large group and clean it out with basically no opposition or consequences, walking away with brand new stuff they can put on ebay. Compared to that, why would they try residential areas? You are stealing used stuff from people who absolutely positively will not just roll over and let you take it.

 

Good point.

I don't think we will see the end of this organized looting until news stories have a line like this

"Several of the thieves died in a hail of gunfire.".

 

some won't be hitting the retail section of the area at all - don't like the possible PD enforcement and the competition from the looting hoards >>>> there's some family & gang leaders that will be intelligent enough to hit the high end $$$$ residential possibilities first - especially if their regular employment already connects them to the gated communities - IE: lawn care, home maintenance, utilities trade work, package deliveries, ect ect

 

Prob not rural areas…really need a bunch close together to make it profitable…jmo

 

What a great question; I'd never thought about that. As stores become better at protecting their goods against shoplifters, that doesn't mean the shoplifters are likely to stop. There's a term in criminological theory, "displacement," that means when circumstances for committing a crime become difficult either due to lack of target or likelihood of apprehension, the time, place, method, target, etc. changes.

I'm trying to imagine how that might go down.

Sort of a home-invasion kind of thing where 15 people break in, ransack the place in 3 minutes, then take off? I could see a smart organizer of a group or mob setting up a distraction that would attract the police, then hit a house or two while the police were preoccupied. They might even go so far as to do a few quick home invasions just to see what response times might be (well, this is how I'd do it if I were a criminal).

I think the trick, from our point of view, is to have ready access to an armed response. The home must have at least some ways of hardening points of entry, if for no other reason than to give residents time to respond.

One answer to that, of course, is carrying all the time, even when home. Second is access to a handgun safe or similar with quick access.

Above all, what the question does is sensitize me to paying attention for indicators that this kind of thing is beginning.....

 

I have done a lot of work on other people's houses and the apartments they rent. Some of it was insurance claims so I knew their whole inventory of possessions. Most people have little stuff of value. Yeah 1 or 2 people might walk away with a used PS4 or old flat screen tv but a mob of people are going to be walking away with with stuff of little value.

Only way I see people hitting homes is if the whole supply chain falls apart and all the stores are closed/empty.

 

I have done a lot of work on other people's houses and the apartments they rent. Some of it was insurance claims so I knew their whole inventory of possessions. Most people have little stuff of value. Yeah 1 or 2 people might walk away with a used PS4 or old flat screen tv but a mob of people are going to be walking away with with stuff of little value.

Only way I see people hitting homes is if the whole supply chain falls apart and all the stores are closed/empty.

I'm UK based so things are maybe different in the US.
Here, street thinking is retail is easy, or was until summer retail security arrived. On the other hand homes have stuff that is easier to convert to cash with few if any questions asked. Is that any different to the US?

As for waiting for the supply chain to fail? It already is failing.
In the UK shops gaps on shelves is the norm and price gouging the staples of life is beyond bad. Add the rising cost of living making things really hard in our area where jobs are few and energy bills are soaring?
Most are thinking "Stuff waiting", and the bad lads and girls are DOING.

The towns thieves are all opportunists and chance'rs. They also don't plan **** here. They all know this is an 'elderly' population, and the police response times to the second. As a result (and it being holiday season with lots of tourists to hit as holiday homes get occupied) burglary (including home invasions and distraction theft) will get worse. It always does. Why only holidaymakers? They go home, and it's not a wise thing to hit those who probably know who you are.

What's the difference between here and the US?
You've got guns. That's it.
Only how many gun owners will actually use those guns???
Especially if they open their doors to a gun muzzle in their face.

 

5 minutes in a retail store that you know the layout of will net more profit than 5 minutes in an unknown home. There is also the security issue, some grannies are packing.

 

A while back I read about a granny that popped a bad guy with a .32. I don't recall whether he survived or not.

 

To paraphrase someone who said it would be "sight in your rifle day when the Chinese land on the beaches of Texas", I won't have that problem if the retail mobs go residential. Rifle ready. Range marks set up around the neighborhood. To this day the neighbors don't know what I was doing with my laser measure other than "learning how to use it".