FAL, and MOST mag fed .308's (including AR'S which aren't built to too tight tolerances to pass military specs as a fighting gun) is a 2MOA rifle.

FAL files has long threads on this.

FAL/HK.... pick one.

And yes, done right FAL's scope well snd easily.

 

Arguably the best modern combat tested .308 is the LMT308MWS.

 

That and the LaRue.

Depending upon your "requirements" consider this AR-10...
http://dpms-gii.com/full.html#configurations
Mine is a G2Recon. Excellent rifle. Can be had for around a $1,200. With a variable 40mm. scope it's a very capable rifle. IMHO it's worth a look. So far it's far exceeded my expectations.

For the money, that weapon is hard to beat.

thats probably true.. stoners weapons were built to handle the cartridge they were designed for and just barely, under heavy use they tend to fail quicker for this reason while a lot of the other weapons mentioned could be considered overbuilt by comparison, but this adds to a significant amount of strength and longevity

i could build an AK in 7.62x51, the zastava M77 is basically built on the same parts as an x39 RPK, getting the magazine well to work right would be the tricky part but ive learnd you can pretty much spot-weld (or tig) an HK91 magazine well to the AK and run it with the cheap $5-$10 HK91 mags and using the HK mag release with it would allow you to retain a full size trigger guard too.. or just buy a zastava M77 (theyre around $1k i believe), so i can add that to rifles to consider besides the FAL and PTR

does anyone know of a good torture test on the FAL?.. the only one ive been able to find done recently was conducted by DSA who clearly wouldnt release the torture test results if they turned out poorly, i know the israelis had a lot of problems with the FAL causing them to switch to the galil

Where did you hear this nonsense?

You really don't need to believe everything you read.

 

better choose fast, the harp on gun control and resulting obligatory run on guns and ammunition has begun.........

 

AR-10 is probably the most accurate, and is very modular for accessories. Longer barrel length will help with accuracy, but make it heavier. If you want long range accuracy, get a bolt action or a longer heavier barrel for the AR-10. I have both a FAL and an AR-10. I use the AR-10 hands down over the FAL most of the time. The FAL is a battle rifle, the AR-10 can be used for hunting. 99% of the time, until SHTF, we will just be shooting and hunting.

If you want under 200 yard accuracy, get an AR-15. If you want under 200 yard knock down power, get a 6.8 SPC or a 6.5 Grendel. The Grendel also has longer range accuracy. Then there is the 458 Socom which can use 45-70 bullets when reloading, lots of 100 yard knock down power. Lots of AR-15 variants.

 

I wouldn't bother building a FAL from a parts kit. Nearly all of the decent ones have been bought and built, Its very hard to even find a decent barrel these days.

A DSA sa58 can be built fairly cheap depending on what variant you want, the Base model which is the run of the mill FAL is their Voyager model and is around $1k to $1100.
But SBRs and some para models can be as much as $2500.

The Voyager in my experience is a sub moa gun. with glass and 168grn SMK. With Irons I get 3.5 to 4 moa but then I use ZQ1 M80. The FAL front sight is also thicker than that of a M1A. Its supposed to represent a average sized man at 200m I think, probably why some say its not a 1 moa rifle.

I only problem I have with it is feeding lacquer coated steel cases out of DSA steel magazines. Especially stuff like Monarch where it looks like the lacquer was painted on sloppily. Wolf polymer coated feeds pretty good. you can also get Moses magazines which are slicker and will feed anything. Though they do have a fat baseplate which makes sticking them in a mag pouch awkward.

 

that LMS is well out of my budget which is set to about $1200.. if the FAL is capable of similar accuracy and reliability, than thats the route id go but im familiar with and confident in the PTR91 reliability and accuracy already, however i know for a fact that not all marks left on the brass is cosmetic from the fluting.. it will weaken the brass at an accelerated rate which is not good if my 308 supply is going to rely heavily on reloading

im fine getting an entry level FAL or PTR and using aftermarket to improve it to the type of DMR rifle im looking for.. something to pick up where the AK leaves off in range and penetration

basically my main concerns is this, im concerned with the brass life of the PTR-91, but confident with its reliability.. for the FAL im confident the brass will last longer, but im more concerned about its accuracy and reliability, and for the AR-10 and other .308 AR variants, i havent used them enough to have much of an opinion on them either way, but im certainly not an AR-15 fan, but i do know the AR-10 is a more durable, more reliable rifle.

 

but im certainly not an AR-15 fan, but i do know the AR-10 is a more durable, more reliable rifle.

If you want to run a AR10 like an AR15 or AK, it will most likely break well before either of the fore mentioned

 

Get the scar h

 

I'd go with the PTR...

 

Depending upon your "requirements" consider this AR-10...
http://dpms-gii.com/full.html#configurations
Mine is a G2Recon. Excellent rifle. Can be had for around a $1,200. With a variable 40mm. scope it's a very capable rifle. IMHO it's worth a look. So far it's far exceeded my expectations.

 

FNAR semiauto.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2009/9/29/fnh-usa-fnar-rifle/

don't look at price in article above look here

https://www.802traders.com/product-p/z-g29100.htm

 

I am wanting a .308 battle rifle to augment my bolt gun. In no way can I afford one at the moment (or probably ever) so I am buying parts to build a .308 AR as funds allow. Probably take til spring or longer, but I'll get there. If there was any way I could swing it, I'd go SCAR 17s, but to do that I would have to sell off others, so that's not gonna happen.

 

i know what thats like, i injured myself pretty bad a couple years ago which significantly reduces the options of jobs im able to do, so i dont make much money either anymore

one reason ive considered the AR10, AK 308 build, and also the PTR/HK91 is the fact i still have the tools necessary to construct the receivers for these rifles, unlike the FAL.. i can pick up and finish an 80% .308 AR lower, an AK flat, or an HK flat and have a .308 battle rifle / DMR that wouldnt be on any records, id have to buy the FAL receiver to build one and if im not mistaken doesnt the cost of the receiver and barrel alone generally equal what it would cost to just buy an FAL?

 

Yeah FAL parts ain't cheep anymore. and getting a good upper is a crap shoot.

 

ive never seen a SCAR put into a similar torture test, only the HK91 and the HK91/PTR91 i would personally consider to be "ak reliable"... if not for chewing up brass id definitely go that route... theres so much mass (about 1 1/4 lbs) in the HK bolt carrier alone, not including the locking wedge, firing pin, bolt, and rollers, this much reciprocating mass generates a huge amount of momentum rearward which can pretty much overcome any obstacle.. comparing the AK to the AR, it has a BCG mass of about 1lb so while i hear people whining about reciprocating mass, switching to "low mass carriers" and then whining when their rifle becomes even more of a drama queen there is something to be said about having some weight in your system

 

ive never seen a SCAR put into a similar torture test, only the HK91 and the HK91/PTR91 i would personally consider to be "ak reliable"... if not for chewing up brass id definitely go that route... theres so much mass (about 1 1/4 lbs) in the HK bolt carrier alone, not including the locking wedge, firing pin, bolt, and rollers, this much reciprocating mass generates a huge amount of momentum rearward which can pretty much overcome any obstacle.. comparing the AK to the AR, it has a BCG mass of about 1lb so while i hear people whining about reciprocating mass, switching to "low mass carriers" and then whining when their rifle becomes even more of a drama queen there is something to be said about having some weight in your system

1. Limited experience with the HK, but it has heavier recoil than a .308 AR. The fluted chambers are not a problem for an army, as they don't worry about saving the brass. Discarded brass is often collected, melted down, and made into trinkets by the locals, then sold to GIs as souveirs.

2. You internet people need to quit saying stupid **** like "AK reliable". A POS AK is not ****ing magic. HKs, ARs, M1As, FALs, SCARs, Tavors, are all as good or better.

 

I have really been enjoying and impressed by the POF (Patriot Ordnance Factory) .308 rifle. I have the NP3 coated version- same rifle being used as a sniper rifle by several LEO organizations now. That aside the bottom line is that it shoots like a laser gun and has been extremely reliable. For their testing they claim to have a full auto version that has now passed 60k rounds... FWIW. Anyway, they are on the higher end of price but it's worth it to me and they're less than something like a SCAR.

 

With AK's you have to purchase the "spetznaz edition" wood block so you beat on the rifle to get it to chamber.

 

wood blocks are to knock AKs open should they seize up which is incredibly rare.. but id rather have a rifle built strong enough and reliable enough that it can be beat open with a wood block and put back into action than one that needs a gunsmith to service which is fine if youre in an army and have that luxury at your disposal, most of us do not

 

Gun smith to service?

I have been running AR's/M4's/AR10's for a long time and I have never had to take one to a gunsmith.

Have you ever owned one? Don't answer that. You will say yes. But I bet you haven't.

 

No love here for the Ruger SR-762?

 

when i said AR-10 i was generalizing any .308 AR, whether its the ruger 7.62, a DPMS, etc, but im probably not going to consider the SR762 since its out of my price range and i also see little reason for pistons on ARs, theyre advertised as being the next best thing since sliced bread but in real world results show they dont do much more than make the rifle easier to clean so if i went with an AR-10 i would stick with DI

 

lmao, yes ive had AR-15s, and i dont like them, seemingly you have an issue of getting all butthurt and ****y whenever someone isnt all googoo for glocks or AR-15s.. im not getting another AR-15 to replace the one i sold and you'll just have to get over that

 

Some of the stuff you say leads us to believe you have rarely if ever touched a firearm.

Something about the ar-10 doesn't sit right with me. It's like 'the rifle that got shelved and wasn't ever fully developed back then, well we're developing it now!!'. No extensive track record/street cred. Tainted legacy.

No track record? Have you ever heard of the SR25/M110?

And seriously. Are really using the term "street cred?"




Well folks. Something I feared would happen has happened. Iwillsurvive and Justin has got hooked up together. They will talk about all types of crazy off the wall stuff but in reality will say nothing at all.

May the old gods help us.

 

Something about the ar-10 doesn't sit right with me. It's like 'the rifle that got shelved and wasn't ever fully developed back then, well we're developing it now!!'. No extensive track record/street cred. Tainted legacy.

 

the same could be said about the M1A as well, i mean its had some development, but generally for roles it wasnt originally designed for and very limited given its limited use in the military

 

Maybe but in my mind, the m1a/m14 is a revision of the garand, so it inherits legacy and street cred from that

 

the military tests in the 1950s showed the garand failing miserably compared to multiple other rifles though, it did not fair well in such tests and a lot of soldier reports of them failing in the bitter cold climate of north korea and being quite unreliable in north africa too.. an open top design where the chamber and locking recesses are all exposed to the elements plus the almost fully exposed oprod probably wasnt the best idea

 

Garand was a semi auto trailblazer... but it needed updating hence m14 which is a great rifle 'in SA mode'

 

the M14, M1 carbine, and even the Mini-14 malfunctions in the same way in the same tests, its an inherent flaw with the system in general.. the M1A i owned would fail under conditions that id certainly expect a military rifle to handle, my experience with the M1A is why i will not consider another one

 

Yeah that's cool...I say throw down the scratch for scar h it's the best 308 battle rifle if price is no object. If price is problematic, be patient and save up!

 

OP, I wouldn't choose either the FAL or the PTR. Both are ages old designs, heavy, less accurate and older metallurgy than a modern battle rifle. And the PTR will reduce the lifetime of your brass. But if beating on a rifle with a wooden stick is the metric of goodness, I'm clearly not keeping up.
On the other end, the SCAR H is a fine design. Light, accurate, reliable and modest recoil, particularly for its weigh. Problem is that they are unreasonably expensive.
The right compromise is an AR10. Modern because they've evolved along with the M4 with sixty years of testing and improvements. Stoner was a genius (I still laugh at his last name though) and it's absurd to say that his designs left little tolerance for the round. Very accurate, dependable, easy to service and clean, lots of parts and more reasonably priced. I would recommend the DA S&W. Great reviews, reasonable weight, very accurate for a battle rifle.
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if i was to go with a .308 AR id build it myself the way id want it configured, just out of curiosity i should price check the components to see what that would cost to compare it to my other options

i know if i go with a "parts kit" which includes everything less the receiver, its about $650-$700 less the receiver. an ares DPMS style 80% lower is $100 and for another $50 for some tooling i can complete the build, plus the costs of whatever accessories id want to add to it but for more of a military type rifle im fine with a lot of the standard parts

to build the FAL id want on a parts kit would come out to about $1,200 which is within the budget but the AR-10 would be cheaper mostly due to the lower cost and wider availability of receivers

 

I'll say it again.

https://www.802traders.com/product-p/z-g29100.htm

Think OP is set on a FAL L1A1 though. Truth is they ain't what they used to be, parts are just to high and finding a good barrel that is affordable is rare. Receivers are a crap shoot and a PITA to get right. Even a complete FAL is negligable from a unknown source here. I built mine years ago and it's time to rebarrel but I am seriously considering the rifle I linked and be done with it.

 

A review said it's based on BAR. Would that be the BAR deer hunting rifle or the military BAR? I'm not sure the mechanics of the two BARs were the same, anyone know?