I'd probably leave them with one knee first off, if I think they will be any danger to my family. And if they won't hobble off......well......

 

Ya then they can go get a job at IHOP.

 

in a real SHTF, tweaker would all be dead within 24 hours or so.

So, I don't see the problem.

 

You really think so?
I don't know,unfortunately,they can make the stuff out of who knows what.
They can go days on end with out eating so food shortages wouldn't really be an issue.
I'm afraid to say that I see tweakers being a big issue in SHTF,and in fact out living some of the other folks.Not because of skills but because of the drug itself keeping them alive and full of energy.

 

well i guess if they refused to leave and its going to be a while before law can respond i guess i would use just enough force needed to detain them ,,,and padlock the chain to a tree and set a gallon jug of water in reach

 

Detain them? Provide long term parking.

 

Hey so let's say things get bad, with increased crime, economic problems, lawlessness, widespread drug problems, homeless people in your neighborhood, etc. Let's say there's no law enforcement you can call, because your local LE situation has been overwhelmed or underfunded or they are too busy protecting their own families to come to work.

If an armed gang comes and visits your home, a lot of people would say you have both the moral and the legal right to use deadly force to protect your family.

But what if some unarmed homeless people visit your property? Or some meth heads? You don't feel your life is in danger, at least not immediately, but when you ask them to leave, let's say they do not obey. Then what do you do? Or lets say you're driving your vehicle, or riding your bicycle, and some crazy person(s) block your way. What might you consider doing, other than emptying a mag at their center mass? For me, killing someone is a serious matter, one I'd prefer to avoid for all kinds of reasons.

Obviously if I'm in a vehicle or a bicycle, my first choice would be to try to leave the scene. But what if you're in your home, and leaving isn't an option?

Pepper spray? Some kind of tear gas? Rubber buckshot? A blunt weapon? ... What is your go-to solution? What is the fastest way to make troublesome people leave the scene, with minimal risk to yourself? And let's assume you have no-trespassing signs up already, and let's say your dogs are not around, and let's ignore fences for the moment... Thoughts?

Shoot them all to the ground! How's that let's say!

 

No LEO or ROL + prowler + limited life sustaining resources= reasonably in fear for my families life. Prowler picked the wrong house to **** with.

 

I'd say they're gonna get methed up.

 

BWAHAHAHA! That was great!
I understand about not wanting to take a life. It's a permanent solution. But in that situation that you described, you'd damn well better be ready to do just that or you could just pack up and leave! Trust me! I've dealt with a whole bunch of homeless, methheads and other assorted losers in thirty years as a LEO. Ninety five percent of them, are that way by choice. Of that ninety five percent, at least ninety percent are master manipulators. They'll have you shedding tears for them, right before they shank you with a rusty nail stuck in a broken off broom handle or slash your face with a razor blade melted into a toothbrush handle. Less than lethal force is great as long as you have lethal force as back up!

 

 

I forgot to mention, where I live, the government is spending money to bring homeless drug addicts INTO our area, from outside the area. Right now. And they plan to take additional steps in this direction as soon as they can. Sounds ridiculous, right? But true.

And if things got worse, it's possible the government could feed compliant, homeless people even if there were food shortages, thereby keeping them alive. I know in the beginning of the movie Blackhawk Down, they said that in that part of Africa, the local corrupt rulers would control the food supply.

I guess fences & dogs really are an essential part of the solution for dealing with trespassers who are not wielding deadly weapons.

But what if you're, say, driving your car on a road with other vehicles (witnesses), and some crazy, unbalanced man runs in front of your car, and tries to confront you, and won't get out of the way? First I would try to avoid him. Just wondering if there are less-than-lethal ways to get someone's attention and get them to move away from you...

 

I forgot to mention, where I live, the government is spending money to bring homeless drug addicts INTO our area, from outside the area. Right now. And they plan to take additional steps in this direction as soon as they can. Sounds ridiculous, right? But true.

And if things got worse, it's possible the government could feed compliant, homeless people even if there were food shortages, thereby keeping them alive. I know in the beginning of the movie Blackhawk Down, they said that in that part of Africa, the local corrupt rulers would control the food supply.

I guess fences & dogs really are an essential part of the solution for dealing with trespassers who are not wielding deadly weapons.

But what if you're, say, driving your car on a road with other vehicles (witnesses), and some crazy, unbalanced man runs in front of your car, and tries to confront you, and won't get out of the way? First I would try to avoid him. Just wondering if there are less-than-lethal ways to get someone's attention and get them to move away from you...

Are you that willing to put yourself and/or loved ones in God forbid, that kind of a scenario? 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count!

 

At that point i'm sure the police won't be responding to calls so frontier justice will be enacted.

 

when that happens
Dogs gotta Eat

 

If you ignore the subject (or drive around)…they’ll move on eventually. I’d save the spray and ammo when possible.

 

Well….THAT ain’t true. Look at any of the large cities and the homeless BS today.

Meth comes from Mexico? I would have sworn it was made in America by meth heads in makeshift labs with common household chemicals?

But now that our Leftist leaders have opened the border, it’s easier for the ingredients and the product to come in from the south.
Record setting Fentanyl bust in Inglewood CA, tied to Sinaloa cartel.
1 million fentanyl pills linked to Sinaloa Cartel seized in record-breaking drug bust

I'm not very talented in the Arts. Still a good shot, tho.

Haiku doesn’t rhyme.

The world is so still
Methheads are coming at me
Boom, not a problem.

 

Some grim realities

1. When the meth runs out (fairly quickly) (comes by truck from Mexico) you will understand the term zombie or even tweeker

AND YES THEY ARE DANGEROUS

example m1 shoots m2 because the meth ran out and m2 drank the rest of the booze (murder conviction)

example 2 m2 slices and dices m1 with case pocket knife. M1 almost bleed to death from wounds
((Pocket knife blade is 2 inches long( attempted murder)

both happened in a rural county of less than 3k

2. If they are coherent, they will take the path of
least resistance (but will steal anything as they leave)

3. Meth heads know meth heads
If one knows something, they all do
Any act of kindness will be your downfall

Your local rural meth users will know how
to shoot. Some are very good with bows

Last but not least, you would be surprised at who uses meth. Don’t fall for stereotypes

 

Some grim realities

1. When the meth runs out (fairly quickly) (comes by truck from Mexico) you will understand the term zombie or even tweeker

AND YES THEY ARE DANGEROUS

example m1 shoots m2 because the meth ran out and m2 drank the rest of the booze (murder conviction)

example 2 m2 slices and dices m1 with case pocket knife. M1 almost bleed to death from wounds
((Pocket knife blade is 2 inches long( attempted murder)

both happened in a rural county of less than 3k

2. If they are coherent, they will take the path of
least resistance (but will steal anything as they leave)

3. Meth heads know meth heads
If one knows something, they all do
Any act of kindness will be your downfall

Your local rural meth users will know how
to shoot. Some are very good with bows

Last but not least, you would be surprised at who uses meth. Don’t fall for stereotypes

 

My neighbor raises hogs and owns a backhoe.

 

No backhoe
I enjoy manual labor to keep in shape though.

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Rule of 3 S’s. Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up about it.

 

I am too old to be digging graves, especially for thugs.

Besides that, vultures and opossums need to eat too.

Carcasses laying about may deter others.

 

You just joined and have asked the same question three times changing the scenario just a little bit! What answer are you looking for!

 

Sorry, I'm not used to this forum format; I'm used to having discussions on reddit, where you reply directly to an individual user, but others can also see your reply. Also, on reddit, if you post in an area devoted to "non-lethal weapons", as I did here on this forum today, then probably at least 90% of the replies would have been ONLY about non-lethal weapons. I don't think ANY of the replies I got here were about non-lethal weapons. Which is fine of course, since non-lethal solutions are probably overrated in many situations!

Anyway thanks to everyone who responded. Helps me to see the possible scenarios more clearly, and how to deal with them.

 

Watch for these types of tags in your areas homeless and hobo. Gang tags are out there too but tend to mark boundaries, There is tag alphabet too but I think it is more inhouse than not?
You can prestage YOUR intent and ward it

 

Also a good list.

 

SHTF means that the rule of law is no longer applicable. In that case meth heads "visiting" my property are a threat and will be dealt with as such

 

What meth heads?🤷‍♀️

 

THE meth heads

 

A very good question. I don’t think it would be a good idea to just open fire. If things got to that point, I’d get out those rolls of razor wire I bought. Maybe put up some warning signs, just for legal purposes. If they make it across that, I don’t know. I’m probably more heavily armed, and I practice a lot more. But if they were just milling around in my field behind my house?

 

meth heads dont just mill around.. they steal and they victimize.. its not just some bored high school kids

 

i think that a couple command detonated IED's and 60 or so 556 rounds sends a better message

 

If they've gotten that close, you've failed. If you and your remaining neighbors are serious about community safety, you find a manageable perimeter to set.

If all else fails, rock salt shot. Less Lethal Loadout: Rock Salt Shotgun Shells
This would even work at the perimeter if you want non lethal means of dealing with strays.

 

Step one when the county sheriff can no longer handle crime, is to dig a number of graves by the front gate, and a couple more in the lower pasture. I have already locked the front gate.

Trespassers will be confronted, and those that refuse to leave immediately will never leave. Folks who try and rob me or in public will be considered a deadly threat.

I also agree that druggies, gang bangers, and creepy pedofile groomers will not last long after the police can no longer protect them. It is Shoot, Shovel, and Shutup when civilization breaks down.

 

Are they looking around or breaking in OP. If breaking in, I'd wait until they are through the door and take them out. Or is this a mad max world where everyone shoots each other on sight?

If a big zombie gang I'd just have to see. Maybe warn them. A bullhorn would be good. If they disperse and take out guns well, that cinches the deal. You know what they want. If they go away, then fine.

But...what haps if they go to a neighbor's house and start breaking in?

 

the rule of law is suspended and your gonna warn them?? OK I wish you luck

 

Well, I didn’t get that originally. I think it has kind of slowly morphed into what would I do if there’s chaos. If there is that kind of anarchy, everyone who approaches will be watched thru a Leupold. Or Vortex, since my boys prefer those.

 

If you wanna discourage someone and not kill them maybe dust them with trap loads at 40 yards, then if they go the wrong way, …..

 

gators gotta eat