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Do you really want that. That is not something I would expect a patriot to desire. There are a lot of people whose views oppose mine, but I don't wish them dead. That's not the American way
You’re right.

But at some point, considering how corrupt and overwhelmed the courts are, you have to start removing terrorists and criminals from society.

Those guys aren’t playing by the rules. And you know what they’d do to you if you were in their way?

They can’t play their game, break all the rules, try to destroy our culture and country, then insist that we play fair. Screw that.

And that’s why conservatives are slow to react. We know just how ugly it will be, and we are stupid enough to think those asshats care.

They don’t. It’s time to demonstrate just how sick we are of their BS.

I am sure most here will cheer them on. Just remember what you allow your government to do to others today, they will do to you tomorrow.
Only if “they” are leftist revolutionaries trying to destroy my country.:cool:
Just like Pelosi talking about “storm troopers”. Don’t want people to stop you from breaking the law and destroying the country? Stop breaking the law, get a job, and quitchyerbitchin.
 
Only if “they” are leftist revolutionaries trying to destroy my country.:cool:

Just like Pelosi talking about “storm troopers”. Stop breaking the law, get a job, and quitchyerbitchin.
That's the point. All of the violence and destruction of both public and private property currently is being done by leftist mobs both paid and those who are just naturally angry because they have been told to be that way. Those same mobs have been allowed, let me say it again, allowed, to run out of control with the blessings of the authorities at the local and state level. Their destruction is including federal property. I have no issue with federal LEOs taking into custody through whatever means those they have identified as responsible.

For Pelosi to say this is a violation of 1st Amendment protections is simply delusional or perhaps intentional to further stir up the uninformed base. Perhaps she also enlighten them that this is covered under the very Patriot Act that she supported.
 
Trump could declare that an insurrection by anti-government groups are underway. That would be the leftists. The Feds then federalize the Oregon State National Guard and suppress it in the trouble spots. The oly public official with legal grounds to immediatly counter this is the County sheriff, who must then either credibly counter it or cede authority to the Feds. Regardless, the Feds have uncontested control over federal property, regardless.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...7/18/left-wingers-are-hysterical-about-federal-agents-policing-protests-n660483
 
An historical look at the radical left up to the present day. Note how BLM is able to receive tax deductible donations from a sister non-profit organization although the funds then go to BLM. Thus, BLM is not required to disclose how it spends its funds. Also, Bill Ayers influence on college education so that it has become a "social justice indoctrination lab."

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-revolution-is-winning/
 
Doesn't apply here.



DHS, Marshall's Service, Bureau of Prisons, FBI, CBP, GSA-FPS are not military.
True, it seems PC Act has lots of holes in it. With the militarization of all the DOJ and DHS there is effectively an defacto army within our borders that can theoretically and legally use force on citizens for protesting of any matter. This is not a good thing, regardless of ones POV regarding the current matters.

First they came for antifa
Then they came for me

There is the other matter, this is the state's responsibility. Normally the governor calls in the national guard. Very unusual and potentially a matter for SCOTUS.

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I completely disagree. One of the primary purposes of the federal government is to protect the natural rights of all Americans citizens. Right to own and right to obtain property are fundamental rights. If cities refuse to protect the rights of the citizens to possess property, then it is the role of the federal government to protect the property rights of those citizens. The citizens own the property being destroyed both public and private. The federal government should not only be arresting those doing the crimes but also be bringing up those who are allowing it on federal charges of depredation and deprivation of civil rights under 18 U.S.C. § 242.
This ^

So the question becomes: if the people of Portland are OK with what’s going on, why should the federal government care?
“Federal Agents Unleash Militarized Crackdown on Portland.” They’re “unleashing” a “crackdown”? Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Be very afraid. :thumb:

Which up until now the blm/aunti-***/rioters have not been.

Time for that to change. Mess with the bull, get the horns. Also the millions of Normies™ have been clamoring for somebody to 'do something' which the leftist politicians haven't done. This is something. "Peaceful" protest is one thing, what's going on in the ****-hole cities is another.

On the other hand if the ****-hole cities want to burn themselves down, why stop them? Because we either have law and order in this country or we don't. I want law and order EVEN IN THE ****-HOLE CITIES because there is one in my state too (Salt Lake City). The buildings, businesses, monuments and tourist attractions aren't OWNED by the leftist mayors, leftist scum 'citizens' or the leftist police chiefs. They didn't build the statues, the monuments, the memorials, the capitol building, the federal courthouse, the cemeteries, the cathedrals, the parks and other public facilities. They inherited them and it's their job to protect them. When they don't, I want the STATE or the FEDS to step in if necessary.

AND USE FORCE.
 
YES, but only by the Oregon voters. NOT by the Federal government. This is mostly a state issue, not a federal one.

Let the state handle it, or not.

Trump makes a mistake by injecting himself and the Feds.
Come on man..you know darned well that the feds have been stepping into local jurisdiction for nearly a century, usually because of civil rights. Well....this is civil rights. The state isn’t enforcing the constitution, so someone has to.

True, it seems PC Act has lots of holes in it. With the militarization of all the DOJ and DHS there is effectively an defacto army within our borders that can theoretically and legally use force on citizens for protesting of any matter. This is not a good thing, regardless of ones POV regarding the current matters.

First they came for antifa
Then they came for me

There is the other matter, this is the state's responsibility. Normally the governor calls in the national guard. Very unusual and potentially a matter for SCOTUS.

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You’re completely full of it.

No one is coming after “protesters”.

LEGITIMATE PROTESTORS DON’T GET TO BE VIOLENT!

They’re terrorists, they are rioting, and they are destroying property, both private and community property. They are NOT exercising their freedom of speech in accordance with the Constitution, and people like you that try to confuse the issue are either ignorant fools, or enemies of the state.

Which are you?
Do you simply not get it? Or are you trying to confuse people and overthrow our system?

Meanwhile...there are lots of cases of the feds swooping in when local jurisdictions don’t step up to the plate. Usually it has gone the other way, with the feds pushing hate crime BS or federal charges to make a slap on the wrist turn into real prison time.
 
You’re completely full of it.

No one is coming after “protesters”.

LEGITIMATE PROTESTORS DON’T GET TO BE VIOLENT!

They’re terrorists, they are rioting, and they are destroying property, both private and community property. They are NOT exercising their freedom of speech in accordance with the Constitution, and people like you that try to confuse the issue are either ignorant fools, or enemies of the state.

Which are you?

Do you simply not get it? Or are you trying to confuse people and overthrow our system?

Meanwhile...there are lots of cases of the feds swooping in when local jurisdictions don’t step up to the plate. Usually it has gone the other way, with the feds pushing hate crime BS or federal charges to make a slap on the wrist turn into real prison time.
CS is mildly entertaining. Lots of documented examples of the feds sending in troops. Anyone here remember JFK sending in the NG? Or perhaps LBJ sending in elements of the 82nd and the 101st into Detroit? Twice.

Kennedy federalized the Alabama NG because the racist George Wallace (a Democrat!) thought it was a good idea to not agree with Brown v. Board of Education.

LBJ sent the 82nd and 101st into Detroit because the MI NG couldn't handle the situation. I have a couple of friends who were in the 3/187th at the time and they carried more than a few elderly black women out of apartment buildings while hidden gunmen were taking potshots at them.
 
Portland Arrests


So I am not saying that the feds stepping in is wrong, but something to be aware of.

That people in military clothing DHS are making "detentions" without arrest records.

As people in fatigues in civillian looking vehicles" aresting people" can appear as abductions.

Is this going on anywhere else?



Official story is that they are being held in DHS holding locations like the federal courthouse..










Appears that DHS is now assigned to the streets of portland even with local authorities asking they be removed.
 
Doesn't apply here.

DHS, Marshall's Service, Bureau of Prisons, FBI, CBP, GSA-FPS are not military.
They are not "THE MILITARY" i.e. they are not responsible for fighting wars, they are responsible for maintaining law and order based on "civllian laws".


However, they are aresponsible for homeland defence, anti terror and other quasi military and paramilitary activities within specific scopes such as "interior defence"

Generally the "civil authorities" are not engaged in combat actions HOWEVER, in some cases they are engaged in warfighting actions of a limited nature such as the DEA who are engaged in foreign policing, interdiction against "non state" parties.

The policing agents are responsible to the Attorney General while the President is the commander in Chief of the US military.

Police are not "US property" us service members are property of the United States. That is one of the only differences in that US service members are subject to the US military laws, and have to carry out their activities in concert with that or be subjected to courts martial.

Police are not subject to military law but they generally have "jurisidictions" and arrest powers.

Military generally only have authority over combatants.

Police powers come from civillian authorities IE the attorney general, while military powers come from the president.

The military is a tool to further US policy while police are suppose to be there to insure adherance to the justice system.
Both should ensure alignment with upholding the constitution and defending it. However, the military generally is there for when civil recourse cannot acheive national policy objectives. Federal police are "militarized" but the scope is more limited in nature and their goals are operational not for warfighting in foreign theatres. Forgoing limited partnerships and multinational operations that occur outside the US on a legal basis that facilitates for it in partnership with foreign partners. Generally federal police act within a limited scope of programs and operations aiming at combating "criminal activity" but federal forces generally have the aim of protecting american interests within the United States from criminal activity.

DHS is more about this



DHS is a unique creature and is not firmly military nor firmly policing. They are paramilitary interior defence forces. They are basically a standing national gaurd under federal control. Howeever they are not to my knowledge "subject to military law or an employment contract for a term of service" no veterans benefits etc..






Needs to be viewed as

PUBLIC SECURITY ACTIONS

VS

LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS


not the same creature.

Public security is more or less about harm reduction through use of force if required while law enforcement is about ensuring rule of law through use of force if required. Law enforcement goes into the justice system.. public security might be through other federal code.


example

https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/ph-emergencies.pdf

Emergency Federal Law Enforcement Assistance Act of 2006
42 U.S.C. § 10501, et seq.
"the Attorney General may
provide law enforcement assistance" in response to a governor’s
request. THey should be authorized under state
or local law to exercise the key law enforcement powers (arrest, search, seizure).

Bear in mind if they are acting without arrest, search or seizure, and only detaining.. the lawful detainment thing would need to be looked at.
re
arrest vs detention.

DHS arrest powers under CFR

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315

In summary all that is required is for the agent to witness a federal crime while carrying out official duties.
 
First hand accounts from people "detained" is that they were questioned and released.

Also read that these DHS agents are only detaining people suspected of damaging federal property.

I dont see why this is all that shocking.
With all the crap being throw at officers, assaults on officers, weapons used against officers, what do you expect them to be wearing when they go to arrest some of these suspected violent offenders? Polo shirt and flip flops?
 
CS is mildly entertaining. Lots of documented examples of the feds sending in troops. Anyone here remember JFK sending in the NG? Or perhaps LBJ sending in elements of the 82nd and the 101st into Detroit? Twice.

Kennedy federalized the Alabama NG because the racist George Wallace (a Democrat!) thought it was a good idea to not agree with Brown v. Board of Education.

LBJ sent the 82nd and 101st into Detroit because the MI NG couldn't handle the situation. I have a couple of friends who were in the 3/187th at the time and they carried more than a few elderly black women out of apartment buildings while hidden gunmen were taking potshots at them.
Entertaining or not. If you are concerned about 2A and "them" coming for your guns. These will be the guys...
 
Democrats? I've known that all along but thanks for the reminder.
Ok, well 9 years from now when you are wondering why Trump is still in office, and you are no longer "useful" to him, your guns will suddenly be a menace to him.

Isn't this the entire argument for 2A? I am sure I can look back and quote dozens of threads about jack booted thugs and black copters on SB. Maybe you contributed to a few of those threads.

Watch your 6.

Whatever.

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