I have heard that TULA is garbage. Unfortunately that was after I bought 200 rounds of .40.

I have never had an issue with any caliber of wolf ammo.

 

Majority of the Russian made Wolf was from Tula for many years. Now apparently Barnaul.

Wolf doesn't make ammunition, it is simply an importer.

- OS

 

Not shot any of the short arm ammo, but the 223 worked fine. JT

 

I to have had trouble with some steele case ammo. Hadnt tryed the tula ammo but have had bad luck with silver,brown&gold bear crap. All I shoot now is wolf and hornady steele case. Even in my AK the bear crap gave me problems

 

I have a Springfield XDm 9 and have shot nothing but steel case through it. Mainly Tula and Brown Bear. 3,000 plus rounds so far with zero issues, zero issues.
A few hundred rounds of 9x18 Brown Bear through the CZ no issues.
1,000 through a Hungarian AK with zero issues. 500 so far through my AR no issues. Ect.

Good enough for me to keep buying it.

In the end, SO much of it depends on the firearm itself.

 

I have a Springfield XDm 9 and have shot nothing but steel case through it. Mainly Tula and Brown Bear. 3,000 plus rounds so far with zero issues, zero issues.

Me too. I shoot Tula almost exclusively out of my XDm 9mm. 250 rounds of Tula= $50. 250 rounds of UMC (next cheapest)= $60. It's a no-brainer for me. I bought some UMC recently because I might start reloading, but you only need so much brass.

 

Picked up a couple boxes, 4 to be exact, to break in a new G17. Gun must be broke cause it ate all 200rnds without a hitch. Guess it's all hit and miss with this stuff.

 

What kind of handgun is it you were using?

 

Hi-Point C9, feeds brass cased ammo all day no problems.

 

1: What gun?
2: Fit in magazines is a subjective reference.
3: Longer in case length? Overall length?

Every gun has it's preferences, some love certain ammo and hate other stuff.
If your gun doesn't like Tula, either get a different gun or don't use Tula ammo in it.

The wife's AK and 9mm's have had no problem with it and the G-17 I use for teaching has no issues with it, it's been very consistent ammo both for accuracy and velocity.

 

The over all length of the Tulammo was longer than Remington FMJ.

 

Did not answer my question.

Asking a question on a forum, then getting defensive when someone with heavy experience gives you a straight answer is a poor way to learn.

 

lol, how heavy is your experience? Leave it to the internet to bring out the experienced and the snobs.

Topic is about Ammo, not a gun.

 

Asking what gun you have is necessary to help answer your question.

I have used brass and steel case in dozens of handguns and rifles. I have ran thousands of rounds of Wolf, Tula, Brown Bear, Silver Bear, Golden Bear, ect through these firearms and from that experience, I know that it is fact that you can take Tula and run it all day long through one gun with zero issues, then try it with a different gun and have all kinds of issues. The issue is the firearm, it makes a difference.

It can go the other way too, I have a CZ that can't get through a magazine of brass case without 4-5 ftf or fte but runs great on steel case. The gun matters, it just depends on the gun and the gun makes all the difference.

Not being a snob, just answering your question cool your jets.

 

Only experience I have with steel cased ammo is the coating on the casings of some we put through a friends AR would stick in the chamber if your rate of fire exceded one every four to five seconds. Removing it involved a cleaning rod and a hammer. Not something I'm fond of doing to a gun.

 

for my russian guns i actually like all the steel cased stuff... i use wolf for my 7.62x39 and silverbear for my 5.45x39 and brown bear for my 9x18 cz82. i have not really shot the steel stuff in my nato/american calibers, but did shoot some .223 silverbear out of a buddies AR, it worked fine (went through about 200 rounds with no problems).

 

It all depends on the firearm. My Glock 19 hates Tula while my Springfield XD .45 ACP eats the stuff like candy and has still never had a single failure of any kind after ~1000 rounds. My DPMS AR-15 also eats steel case like it's nothing but it does have ejection issues if I run a few mags through fast and get her nice and hot.

 

I will run steel cased ammo if the gun was designed in a country where steel cased ammo is common. This seems to be the underlying problem. AK's run great with steel cased since they were designed for it. The ARs chamber was made for brass, so you can eventually have problems with steel. I have seen AR chambers scored from steel, and the powder coated stuff is even worse since it can gum up. If you get a mosin hot enough, laquer coated steel cases will jam up rock solid.

p.s. Try to load tula, wolf, or brown bear into a mag from a new stripper clip.

 

... I have seen AR chambers scored from steel, ...

Don't see how this tired legend still endures.. Ammo case steel is way milder than gun steel. It's like claiming you can scratch diamond with quartz.

- OS

 

I built a new 20 inch AR and tried Tula in it. Now I had bought 840 rounds one night for $100. I should have known there was some reason why he was selling it that cheap. The bolt would not cycle enough when fired to load the next round, "short stroking". After tearing the gun apart to check everything I went back to range with Winchester white box 5.56. Gun functioned perfectly, switched back to Tula same problems as before. I have done some checking and found the Tula is loaded light and this causes issues with longer barrels. Does it function in my 16 inch or 14 inch uppers? Yes but if SHTF I want ammo that works in everything. I sold the rest of it cheaply too. Wolf and the rest of the cheaper steel cases work fine all mine now.

 

I don't like steel cased ammo in anything. Though I will shoot it in my AKs and SKSes. They were designed for it. If it was more cost effective, I'd shoot nothing but handloads in those guns though.

 

That TulaAmmo is garbage. I've never had a problem with Wolf or Brown Bear, although I haven't shot much of the latter.

I don't think the TulaAmmo is coated with polymer or anything like the others, they feel kinda rough. I actually had a failure to feed in my m&p 9mm because of that. The round didn't hang up or anything it just looked like the slide didn't go forward all the way because of how much friction/resistance was created by the rough steel case and the magazine feed lips. The slide just kinda stopped moving forward on it. The gun has shot everything else flawlessly

 

I have a Ruger SR9 and Mini 14 and I've never had a problem with any of it. I don't think there is a brand out there, that I know of anyway, that I haven't shot; and both my Rugers just chew it up.

 

Id prefer no lacquer on everyday range ammo, cleaner and less prone to failure.

 

I've got a C9 and had afew FTE with cheap ammo at first but after a few hundred rounds it shoots everything out there.

Hell I've shot steel cased, all sorts of reloads, winchester, federal, remington, and even some old corroded ammo that someone gave me.

Not a single problem.

The hi-point isn't amazing, but no matter what I've done to it the thing has always went bang when I pulled the trigger.

 

Steel cased ammo is great for AK 47's. All my pigs love it.

NOT for anything else. I've tried in 9mm, 40, 45, 223- not happy. Some folks use 223 in their AR's, I hear wont do well in mini14's. I wont risk chipping my chrome, so dont use. In a pinch, absolutely. Its cheaper to stock than brass....

 

I use 98% steel case in my 9's with thousands and thousands of rounds down the pipe no issues. This whole "only for AKs" business is BS.

 

Simple rule really.

Steel cased ammo, run in AK's or any combloc weapon work fine.

Run in a modern American firearm and your results may not be the same.

 

Not true at all. I have modern American guns that have zero issues with steel case. It depends on the gun it's pretty simple.

 

I had 2 failures to extract in well over 5,000 rounds in my AR due to a worn out $4 extractor spring. No issues in my Glock. I don't like lacquer coated brown bear when polymer coated wpa, ulta, ulyanovsk and nickel plated silver bear are just as a tad more.

 

I recently bought a XD9 9mm and was shopping at wallyworld for ammo.
The Tul steel ammo was cheaper by a few dollars then winchester.
As I was looking at prices a guy came up and got a couple boxes.
I almost bought a couple boxes until the clerk said it was "dirty" to shoot.
I ended up getting the Win 9mm instead.

I dont know what he meant by its dirty, could anyone shed a light please?
Should I not buy it then?
Thanks.

 

Dirty ammo can refer to a couple of things. One being the powder doesn't burn completely and cleanly and leaves behind pieces of unburnt or charred powder and/or a lot more powder residue. To be honest I've had batches of this type of dirty ammo from almost every manufacturer, especially Winchester and Remington.

The other way ammo can be dirty is if it's physically oily or has a residue that wipes off. The only new ammo I've seen like this is the Remington bulk pack .22LR ammo, it has an oily film all over the cartridge. Surplus ammo can have this problem but out of the thousands of 7.62x54R and 7.62x39 foreign surplus I've bought over the years I've never seen it.

As for whether or not to buy it I would recommend buying one box and seeing if your XD likes it. My XD .45 eats the stuff like candy so I buy it whenever I'm out just plinking for fun or teaching someone new to shoot simply because it's cheaper. I'm also planning to make TulAmmo roughly 25% of my stored ammo with the other 75% being brass that I can reload.

 

TulAmmo and Wolf are made by the same Russian company. I test-fired four TulAmmo cailbers .380 FMJ, 9mm FMJ, .40 FMJ, and .45 FMJ with Hi-Point guns. The .380 ACP fired every round, but would misfeed every third round. The 9mm C9 would stovepipe ever second round, plus had 7 misfires out of 16 rounds. The .40 JCP fired and fed every round with the except of the last round, which would stovepipe. The .45 JCP fired every round, but would misfeed every fourth round. The .45 4595TS carbine fired and fed every round.

Thinking I may have a feeding problem, I polished the feed ramps on all guns and plan to retest-fire again soon.

 

TulAmmo and Wolf are made by the same Russian company....

To repeat, not anymore:

http://www.wolfammo.com/pdf/WOLF_Packaging_Alert.pdf

Not that it matters much. There's only a few giant Russian ammo producers, and it's all pretty much the same.

Since Wolf says it's now not Tula or Ulyanovsk (although it obviously has been in the past, if they still get some Wolf headstamps mixed in), it's likely Barnaul.

- OS