[swen_out_west]

Back on topic, this thread is not about Texas seceding, but about them quite possibly being the last hope for this hemisphere. For you ignorant pinkos who insist on making condescending and snide remarks about Texas, fret not, San Francisco may still take you in, just leave your guns at the bridge and move right it!

I wasn't meaning you were talking of succession I was just talking how texan's feel that they are special and your comment about being the last hope just fed their arrogancy.

What makes you think Texas would be the last great hope for America. I myself would hope not. So is chuck norms going to save Texas and let the rest go down with teotwawki, ??? I'm confused.

To clarify points I live in ca but am still a Wisconsin resident, I just feel that Montana and the dakotas are on to something. So if it becomes a state attack like 4 pages ago, I have no state, I don't care. I'm from wi, live in ca, like Montana, but will probably move to Alaska.

 

[Doc_Shane]

Just remember anyone from North of I-20 is a Yankee

 

[SavageSun 4x4]

Texas ranks in WORLD economies as number 14 and is expected to be number 13 by 2012

Our economy is $1.2 TRILLION GDP

http://econpost.com/texaseconomy/texas-economy-ranking-world

Cities, 2010 ranking:
#4 Houston

#7 San Antonio

#9 Dallas

#14 Austin

#16 Ft Worth

#19 El Paso

That is 3 out of the top 10 and 6 out of the top 20

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

 

[Admiral Nelson]

I wasn't meaning you were talking of succession I was just talking how texan's feel that they are special and your comment about being the last hope just fed their arrogancy.

What makes you think Texas would be the last great hope for America. I myself would hope not. So is chuck norms going to save Texas and let the rest go down with teotwawki, ??? I'm confused.

To clarify points I live in ca but am still a Wisconsin resident, I just feel that Montana and the dakotas are on to something. So if it becomes a state attack like 4 pages ago, I have no state, I don't care. I'm from wi, live in ca, like Montana, but will probably move to Alaska.

Since I'm not a Texan, I didn't mean for the thread to be a state vs state argument. I believe there will be selected areas that endure and thrive, I just happen to think that Texas stands the best chance of surviving any large calamity and continuing to do so on a large scale. When the dust settles, they stand to be the big kid on the block. It's very unique with regards to its resources, location, size and on occasions, a wee bit of shall we say "bluster"? I think the Dakotas and Montana will do well also, but they lack a seaport.

 

[SavageSun 4x4]

Got Oil?

#1 is Texas In January 2011, crude oil production in Texas averaged 962,338 barrels a day.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4308524...oil_and_energy/t/bubbling-crude-americas-top-oil-producing-states/#.TmVNf-vntzt

 

[ikean]

Could have been the case. After circling Houston a dozen times and gaining maximum centrifugal force, I was spun off heading West. Since that was the general direction I wanted to go I figured I would keep driving until I got out of the State.

Houston is an urban cesspool,It doesnt fairly represent Texas or the people.Houston really sucks.Trust me.I live here.In a shtf moment, it will be a deathtrap due to the traffic and all the a s s holes on the freeway, that cant drive.I love Texas, but Houston sucks.

 

[SavageSun 4x4]

Got Good Eats?

Texas is #3 of all agricultural producing States, in terms of cash receipts
http://www.ers.usda.gov/AboutERS/FAQs.htm

Texas is #3 in food manufacturing plants
http://www.ers.usda.gov/AboutERS/FAQs.htm

Texas is #1 in cattle production http://www.ipmcenters.org/cropprofiles/docs/ncrbeef.html

 

[ikean]

Texas is in a fantastic possition for survival. The racial crap against Mexicans coming from posters in other states is crap. Hispanics here are inherently conservative. American women are influenced by feminism are confused and hetero-flexible/bi/lesbianism is mainstream while in Texas we have acess to senoritas that are sweet, feminine, heterosexual and want to have children who love and take care of their children. The party system is trying to divide people by race and the democrats try to use racism to get Hispanic votes. But once Texas is free we will cut off the socialist agenda here and Anglos and Hispanics will get along fine. Most lazy government dependent minded people in Texas moved to California while hard working people moved to Texas. This started a long time ago in the Mexican barrio many families moved to California after they heard about the free government programs in California. Government programs in Texas can still be abolished without repercussions. If Texas split the union I think Mexicans, Anglos, blacks and Asians would all be interested in building a new nation and defending her.

I personally would rather the union be conserved but if Texas had to separate it would do well.

1000% correct
most of my friend are hispanic, my wifes family is half white half hispanic.You will never meet better people anywhere.Houston is a ****hole compared to the rest of the state, but it has the problems of every large city.Ive lived in Houston all my life.The way people treat each other has changed since the 70s.People still wave on the road in the country here.If you wave @people on the road in Houston, ya may get shot.the world we live in.if sstuff happens i will be fleeing Houston but ill stay in Texas.

 

[GoblintheCat]

Since some of the detractors in the peanut gallery have a reading comprehension issue, I am not a Texan, I’m a North Carolinian who has spent time in Texas and do business with people there. Most of the ignorant comments are being made by people who have never been there or whose visit consisted of refueling in a truck stop or catching a connecting flight in Fort Worth, worldly travelers you are! My experience with Texans of Mexican ancestry is that they are loyal Americans and proud Texans. George W. Bush got over 40% of the Hispanic vote which the media always ignored.

My concern remains the demographics of Texas (and the rest of the SW, this is not a strict Texas thing), the constant change of those demographics, and the potential for a hostile southern neighbor that may wish to retake lost territory.

Yeah yeah, I've heard it before. 'Our Mexicans are not like the other Mexicans'. Maybe so. Though I have never seen anything factual (from criminal rates to voting habits) to suggest there is any truth to this.

But the facts remain. If we look at any nation that has fallen (TEOTWAWKI) one of the clear trends we see is conflict when resources collapse. In nations that have significant percentages of their population split along ethnic lines (God help you if there are language divisions) we see ethnic conflict. Which while not always getting media attention or the title, almost always ends up in some level of 'ethnic cleansing'.

I'm not saying this is good, I'm not saying anything like that at all. But that is how it works out.

Mexico? Maybe they want territory, maybe they don't...but if conflict did break out along ethnic lines don't you think that Mexico might act in defense of 'their' citizens? I think so. Shucks, it would be very poor of mexico not to.

Does Texas have the military might to defeat Mexico at the moment? Heck yeah. No doubt. But we aren't discussing at the moment - something that seems to be lost in all the flag waving.

Hell, at the moment, Ohio could deploy down there inside a month and stomp the Mexican army all by itself - but that is TODAY, not tomorrow.

Forgetting the active duty forces, which may be pulled out of Texas or disbanded. Texas retains about 20k troops in its guard/reserve (under current budgeting - does that change?). There is no reason to think that with active duty troops that would choose to stay (probably senior people with family now housed there - so big bonus) there is no reason to think that Texas could not field two divisions. And crush any military in the world that wished to invade.

Except, that same military will face the same problems along ethnic lines. I'd expect that this military might would be inefectual soon after TEOTWAWKI. Shucks, it is almost a requirement FOR TEOTWAWKI.

After all, if the military is fully functional that means the government retains control which means a whole list of other things have not happened. But 'TEOTWAWKI'? Anything that caused that would inherently cause the military to dissolve soon after.

I doubt if Texas would retain that military might. Unless we imagine a scenario where Texas was magically immune of course.

More likely not.

By the way, the fact that some percentage of Hispanics voted for bushy isn't a real positive fact. Not like bushy was a conservative after all.

And, even if we DID accept your numbers the spin you give it does not suffice. Cause that would mean that 60% voted for someone even more (gasp, how is that possible) than bushy.

Yeah, real reassuring.

Back on topic, this thread is not about Texas seceding, but about them quite possibly being the last hope for this hemisphere. For you ignorant pinkos who insist on making condescending and snide remarks about Texas, fret not, San Francisco may still take you in, just leave your guns at the bridge and move right it!

I always get a chuckle over the seceding argument. Texas can blah blah blah. BS.

How about one of yall take a trip down:

http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texan03.asp

And see if we can find something a little more solid than macho folklore to support this idea that Texas can secede? After that, how about referencing how this supposed ability worked out during the civil war?

Look, Texas is a great place. I enjoyed my time there and each following time. But a good place for TEOTWAWKI? Far from it.

YMMV,
Chad

 

[onealx4]

1000% correct
most of my friend are hispanic, my wifes family is half white half hispanic.You will never meet better people anywhere.Houston is a ****hole compared to the rest of the state, but it has the problems of every large city.Ive lived in Houston all my life.The way people treat each other has changed since the 70s.People still wave on the road in the country here.If you wave @people on the road in Houston, ya may get shot.the world we live in.if sstuff happens i will be fleeing Houston but ill stay in Texas.

Another thing people in the rural areas do that folks in urbanized areas dont do... when driving behind someone going slow, they will get over on the shoulder to let you pass. I never see this in the city but still goes on strong in the country.

 

[ikean]

Another thing people in the rural areas do that folks in urbanized areas dont do... when driving behind someone going slow, they will get over on the shoulder to let you pass. I never see this in the city but still goes on strong in the country.

yep, people tailgate ,honk and mouthwords and give nasty gestures. I still wave though.even in Houston.

 

[ikean]

Since I'm not a Texan, I didn't mean for the thread to be a state vs state argument. I believe there will be selected areas that endure and thrive, I just happen to think that Texas stands the best chance of surviving any large calamity and continuing to do so on a large scale. When the dust settles, they stand to be the big kid on the block. It's very unique with regards to its resources, location, size and on occasions, a wee bit of shall we say "bluster"? I think the Dakotas and Montana will do well also, but they lack a seaport.

I will gladly sponsor you for citizenship, if the need should arrive.

 

[Tenfeathers]

I will gladly sponsor you for citizenship, if the need should arrive.

I'll second that

 

[onealx4]

I always get a chuckle over the seceding argument. Texas can blah blah blah. BS.

How about one of yall take a trip down:

http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texan03.asp

And see if we can find something a little more solid than macho folklore to support this idea that Texas can secede? After that, how about referencing how this supposed ability worked out during the civil war?

Look, Texas is a great place. I enjoyed my time there and each following time. But a good place for TEOTWAWKI? Far from it.

YMMV,
Chad

We don't need permission to secede. We don't need a law to secede. Secession will likely come in the form of a revolution.

During the American revolution, I don't recall anything about asking for the King's permission to revolt. People get fed up, and revolted.

When Texas fought for their own republic, they didn't go to Mexico and ask Santa Ana 'pretty please, give us our state'. They took the initiative and did what they had to do.

 

[letsgetreal]

I could ask about the drought, but I won't........I just think some folks are not looking at the overall picture here........btw, I think some folks are WAY under-estimating Mexico. Mexico is a HUGE country....you do know Chavez has been trying to get Mexico to invade the US and he'll back them, right?

 

[Tenfeathers]

My concern remains the demographics of Texas (and the rest of the SW, this is not a strict Texas thing), the constant change of those demographics, and the potential for a hostile southern neighbor that may wish to retake lost territory.

Yeah yeah, I've heard it before. 'Our Mexicans are not like the other Mexicans'. Maybe so. Though I have never seen anything factual (from criminal rates to voting habits) to suggest there is any truth to this.

But the facts remain. If we look at any nation that has fallen (TEOTWAWKI) one of the clear trends we see is conflict when resources collapse. In nations that have significant percentages of their population split along ethnic lines (God help you if there are language divisions) we see ethnic conflict. Which while not always getting media attention or the title, almost always ends up in some level of 'ethnic cleansing'.

I'm not saying this is good, I'm not saying anything like that at all. But that is how it works out.

Mexico? Maybe they want territory, maybe they don't...but if conflict did break out along ethnic lines don't you think that Mexico might act in defense of 'their' citizens? I think so. Shucks, it would be very poor of mexico not to.

Does Texas have the military might to defeat Mexico at the moment? Heck yeah. No doubt. But we aren't discussing at the moment - something that seems to be lost in all the flag waving.

Hell, at the moment, Ohio could deploy down there inside a month and stomp the Mexican army all by itself - but that is TODAY, not tomorrow.

Forgetting the active duty forces, which may be pulled out of Texas or disbanded. Texas retains about 20k troops in its guard/reserve (under current budgeting - does that change?). There is no reason to think that with active duty troops that would choose to stay (probably senior people with family now housed there - so big bonus) there is no reason to think that Texas could not field two divisions. And crush any military in the world that wished to invade.

Except, that same military will face the same problems along ethnic lines. I'd expect that this military might would be inefectual soon after TEOTWAWKI. Shucks, it is almost a requirement FOR TEOTWAWKI.

After all, if the military is fully functional that means the government retains control which means a whole list of other things have not happened. But 'TEOTWAWKI'? Anything that caused that would inherently cause the military to dissolve soon after.

I doubt if Texas would retain that military might. Unless we imagine a scenario where Texas was magically immune of course.

More likely not.

By the way, the fact that some percentage of Hispanics voted for bushy isn't a real positive fact. Not like bushy was a conservative after all.

And, even if we DID accept your numbers the spin you give it does not suffice. Cause that would mean that 60% voted for someone even more (gasp, how is that possible) than bushy.

Yeah, real reassuring.




I always get a chuckle over the seceding argument. Texas can blah blah blah. BS.

How about one of yall take a trip down:

http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texan03.asp

And see if we can find something a little more solid than macho folklore to support this idea that Texas can secede? After that, how about referencing how this supposed ability worked out during the civil war?

Look, Texas is a great place. I enjoyed my time there and each following time. But a good place for TEOTWAWKI? Far from it.

YMMV,
Chad

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

 

[Straza]

OK, and I will give REAL NUMBERS none of the BS % from some two bit rag liberal magazine like US News...no numbers just %'s.


"The state (Texas) has added 1,081,900 jobs since December 2000, the month Perry took office." http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/natio...nationworld/report/090411_factcheck_texas_growth/factcheck-texas-size-recovery/

"Since June 2009, the state has added 31,100 government jobs." http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/natio...nationworld/report/090411_factcheck_texas_growth/factcheck-texas-size-recovery/

"In 2010, Texas current-dollar GDP was $1,207.5 billion and ranked 2nd in the United States."

"The 2000-2010 average annual growth rate for Texas real GDP was 2.4 percent; the average annual growth rate for the nation was 1.6 percent." http://www.bea.gov/regional/bearfacts/action.cfm?geoType=3&fips=48000&areatype=48000

"Between July 1, 2008 and July 1, 2009, Texas gained 478,012 more people — more than any other state. That's about 1,300 people per day, by Thompson's calculation.

But 478,000 is the net population change. It includes births as well as people relocating to Texas, after accounting for deaths and people leaving the state. So, what part of that net figure represents newcomers?

With help from the U.S. Census Bureau, we learned that about 635 (NET) people come to Texas every day, on average." http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...exas/statements/2010/jan/13/rick-perry/perry-says-1000-people-move-texas-daily/

Excellent read! I love to be proven wrong, and I stand corrected. I am still worried about all these government jobs that are going to get cut when the budget kicks in.

 

[letsgetreal]

We don't need permission to secede. We don't need a law to secede. Secession will likely come in the form of a revolution.

During the American revolution, I don't recall anything about asking for the King's permission to revolt. People get fed up, and revolted.

When Texas fought for their own republic, they didn't go to Mexico and ask Santa Ana 'pretty please, give us our state'. They took the initiative and did what they had to do.

You better look at your history again....Mexico came up and took Texas,,,,,it wasn't until the Federal govt got involved did the USA beat back Mexico......this time, mexico will take it for good.......

 

[Tenfeathers]

I could ask about the drought, but I won't........I just think some folks are not looking at the overall picture here........btw, I think some folks are WAY under-estimating Mexico. Mexico is a HUGE country....you do know Chavez has been trying to get Mexico to invade the US and he'll back them, right?

A comedian from Florida, who could have known.

 

[Tenfeathers]

We don't need permission to secede. We don't need a law to secede. Secession will likely come in the form of a revolution.

During the American revolution, I don't recall anything about asking for the King's permission to revolt. People get fed up, and revolted.

When Texas fought for their own republic, they didn't go to Mexico and ask Santa Ana 'pretty please, give us our state'. They took the initiative and did what they had to do.

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