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The neighbor from hell . . . Please read if you work in the legal field or the LEO field

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#1 ·
It's 3AM where I am and I can't sleep. I came here to tell this story and get opinions and advice. It's kinda a long story. I appreciate anyone who hangs in there long enough to finish it.

A few of you may remember I posted a couple months ago about a neighbor who has 2 Rottweillers that he lets run loose. It's known that these dogs have killed several cats on our street. The neighbor himself recently saw his dogs kill a cat. 2 other neighbors witnessed it. We believe they killed our cat, although we can't prove it.

We called the police a couple times and they finally issued a citation. A few days later, someone walked into our garage and punctured 2 tires on my car. We made a police report and then put cameras all around the house.

Meanwhile, we'd gotten a new kitten. His name was Jojo. We raised him totally indoors till he was about 4 months, then we started to let him have a few minutes outside now and then, carefully watched. Eventually we could see that he was smart enough to hide or climb a tree if there was anything he thought the least bit wrong - like the sound of two out-of-control dogs snarling and barking. He was young, strong, fit, and smart. We thought he'd be okay going out now and again. He never wanted to stay outside long, but sometimes he definitely wanted to go out. I didn't have the heart to keep him cooped up in the house 24/7. He was never gone more than 1/2 hour. In mid-December he turned 7 months old. Still basically a kitten.

The guy continued to let the dogs out. We continued to report it. One thing to know, it wasn't just cats who felt threatened. These dogs would charge anyone who came near them, barking and snarling. They never hurt a human, but they were very aggressive. Neighborhood folks who used to walk our street quit. Two families that I know of stopped letting their kids go outside alone. This guy and his dogs basically had the whole neighborhood terrorized.

3 weeks ago we let Jojo out early one morning for his 1/2 hour out. He never returned. About a week later DH and I were in our backyard and this guy - there's only one house between him and us - came out with his dogs. He began screaming at us that we couldn't do anything because the dogs were not on our property. Except then, the dogs charged us. They came onto our property and came within a few feet of us. Neither DH nor I was armed at the moment (that has now changed.) DH started filming with his cell phone. The dogs eventually returned to their owner. Suddenly he yells, "Do you want your cat back dead or alive?" I yelled, "Do you have my cat?" He said, "I don't but somebody does." The he screamed again, "Do you want him back dead or alive?" and he went back to his house. We called police, nothing done but a report.

Next day, the neighbor who lives between us texted DH that the neighbor told him he had taken our cat because he thought it was a stray and he would like DH to drop by so he could tell him where Jojo was. DH and I smelled a set-up of some type. We didn't go to his house. Couple nights later he flagged DH down. He told him to drop the charges we'd filed against his dogs and he'd give Jojo back. My heart was broken but I wasn't going to let this guy bully us.

Two evenings ago, the guy flags DH down again and says, "Is there any particular way you want your cat to die?" DH got him on the dash cam saying that. He came home, called police again. They basically told us that the dash cam would not be admissible in court and there was nothing they could do about this guy's threats.

Yesterday morning - Christmas Day - I went out at about 9:30 AM to walk my dog. We live on a circle so I have to pass his house every day when I walk the dog. I passed his house and then I saw it. My cat Jojo. Lying dead in a gutter just one house up from this neighbor. I was in shock, shaking so badly I could barely punch the icon to call DH. Of course, the police came. And, of course, told us there was nothing we could do because there wasn't enough "proof."

Jojo is now in one of my freezers. I plan to have a vet examine him and tell us the probable cause of death. The cops have basically told us that the neighbor will get misdemeanor charges at best for violation of leash law. The cops have acted as if their hands are tied, or they just don't care. I'm not sure what's up with them.

DH examined Jojo carefully (I couldn't bear to do it), and said that the one gaping wound on him went all the say through and he believes it's a bullet wound. I know this guy has at least one gun. He also has a drinking problem.
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Clearly this neighbor is sick in the head. He's a coward, a bully, and a sadist. Sad to say, we under-estimated him. But he had to know, somehow, that he could do this and get away with it. He had to know the cops either couldn't or wouldn't do anything.

I'm at a loss to understand why the police say, "There's not enough evidence to charge him with anything but a loose dog violation." I feel like the laws (at least here in Pennsylvania) are written to protect the perp instead of the victim.

I also feel very threatened now. DH and I keep our guns much closer to us. We now make a round at night to lock all the doors, whereas before we were careless of it. This guy is dangerous. He also has a son, around 19 or 20, who is following his dad's footsteps. The thing is, DH could take the neighbor if it came to a physical altercation, but he couldn't take the son also. DH is in his 60's and I'm in my late 50's.

Any thoughts, ideas, or opinions about this neighbor, how to best defend ourselves, and how to convince the police to do their job, are greatly appreciated.

I've drunk 3 glasses of wine while I write this and I'm finally feeling sleepy. If you read this far, I greatly appreciate it. Thanks for listening.
 
#5 ·
Very sorry for your loss. I always advise to NEVER fight with neighbors. You are sadly seeing why.

Move. Before it escalates.

Otherwise your future includes anger, misery, police, violence, lawsuits, dead animals, vandalism, thefts, possibly felonies and serious injuries or deaths and prison.....

Just move away.
LOL seems like their present already includes some of those. not everyone can just up and move, and i dont not think that is the answer. moving allows the behavior to continue and in my eyes who ever moves in next may have cat pets small dogs or kids. imagine that? you move to find out 6 mos later the person now occupying your old home had a toddler that got mauled by the dogs, how would you feel then?
 
#4 ·
Dogs maul people all the time, I feel like if I was be charged attacked or threatened by a neighbors nuisance rottweilers I would have to defend myself. and tell said neighbor he cant do anything because they weren't on a leash and were on my property. then have the police the police come and, of course, tell him there was nothing he could do because there wasn't enough "proof."

Just reading your story infuriates me,
-put our some bear traps Grizzly Bear #15 Trap around you property.
-get some tube socks fill them with something the dog will eat (rocks and bacon) tie a knot in them and leave them around in random places.
- ohhhhh buy a bag of hershey kisses un wrap the entire bag toss them all around said neighbors property in close proximity Maybe in a 15 foot area maybe make a game out of it with DH. like lawn darts or something

All 3 would most likely cause the owner a great financial burden, while relieving some stress.
 
#250 ·
Dogs maul people all the time, I feel like if I was be charged attacked or threatened by a neighbors nuisance rottweilers I would have to defend myself. and tell said neighbor he cant do anything because they weren't on a leash and were on my property. then have the police the police come and, of course, tell him there was nothing he could do because there wasn't enough "proof."

Just reading your story infuriates me,
-put our some bear traps Grizzly Bear #15 Trap around you property.
-get some tube socks fill them with something the dog will eat (rocks and bacon) tie a knot in them and leave them around in random places.
- ohhhhh buy a bag of hershey kisses un wrap the entire bag toss them all around said neighbors property in close proximity Maybe in a 15 foot area maybe make a game out of it with DH. like lawn darts or something

All 3 would most likely cause the owner a great financial burden, while relieving some stress.
Great post!
May I add, get it all on multi-cam video.
With clear audio.
The dogs attacked you on your own property and you were forced to defend yourself.

I'm not an attorney, but I've played one on T.V.
In my own mind, anyway.
 
#7 ·
Call the humane society about the cat tell them whats going on. Every time you see the dogs running loose call the animal police dog pound or what ever they are called. Report them as strays that look vicious, mean and chasing kids and pet. Get your other neighbors on your side and have them start calling police, and dog pound too.
 
#8 ·
Report to humane society.

Don't get any more pets until this is over.

[Not a LEO or Lawyer]
 
#11 ·
I love dogs but.....I'd find a perch and arm myself with a low power bbgun to dissuade dogs of innocent neighbors, I'd man my perch when my yard has a few bowls of antifreeze and maybe some grapes scattered about. This i do not take lighty but your criminally errant neighbor has brought this on himself essentially making his dogs the agent of his aggression.
 
#14 ·
umm...the dogs are not the problem.

These people are evil psychopaths. Using half measures with people like that is an extremely dangerous game. Even more dangerous than the alternative of using full measures. Do or do not, there is no try. One side or the other has to be permanently relocated.
 
#12 ·
Not a Lawyer, and everyone's situation, Local Laws and Attitude of Law Enforcement, Neighborhood etc. is different but my take on it is that if an animal is a Threat to my family or my pets to where I don't feel safe on my own property then they need to go and if the powers that be refuse to take care of it after being given ample opportunity to do so there are other ways to permanently remove said animals. How that happens is up to you taking into account how this Neighbor will respond and your other neighbors and Law Enforcement as well.

Me personally? If I was on my Property and an aggressive animal charged me or a family member I would dispatch said animal with extreme prejudice. What happens after that will depend on your local laws, but if I was "Afraid for my Life" or the Life of my family members on my property it would end. But you do need to know your laws and if your location has "Stand Your Ground" or "Castle Doctrine" laws and exactly what your rights and responsibilities are, which vary widely.

It's seems very odd that Law Enforcement said that Dash Cam footage can't be used and doesn't matter if you've been threatened etc. Again Laws are different but it sounds to me like local officials don't want to do their job from what you describe which is a whole other issue.

One last thing to keep in mind, Often it takes time for Law enforcement to act and repeated events / complaints from multiple people to make things happen. So if you haven't already I would start logging everything in a factual way and documenting it without embellishment or subjective information. Just me, but when I encounter a situation that I feel may not be resolved in a mature reasonable way after the first or second instance I start documenting... Date, Time, Events, Names and Witnesses etc. because it's nearly impossible to remember all the details accurately months later or longer if things get to were the courts get involved and I can tell you from personal experience in dealing with everything from companies to the courts doing this can be invaluable.

Again, not giving legal advice, just my take on it based on what you've written and my own experience, both of which are subjective.
 
#13 ·
In addition to my earlier post:. I venture to speculate that the son slashed your tires, dollars to donuts, the dad wouldn't be that stupid to enter your garage. The kid is real stupid, you might want to try to think of ways to 'trap' him. That'll have more of an effect on the Dad than anything and will likely lead to some division.
 
#15 ·
A big part of your problem is the police either do not know enough to help or are refusing to help.

Holding a pet hostage to coerce someone to influence the outcome of a criminal charge (the dog charge) is called witness tampering, and that's a felony.
If the dash cam video was recorded in a public place, it is admissible in court unless PA has some unusual law regarding recordings in public places, otherwise, security cameras would be useless in PA.

You could file a civil suit against him, but I am not sure you would find an attorney who would be willing to take the case on a contingency basis, as there likely won't be collectable money at the end of the case, but if you want to pay by the hour, you could file a lawsuit for intentional infliction of emotional distress for the cat killing. You could probably get an injunction preventing him from letting the dogs run loose too. I don't know whether you want to pay the attorney's fees for all that though.
 
#19 ·
A big part of your problem is the police either do not know enough to help or are refusing to help.

Holding a pet hostage to coerce someone to influence the outcome of a criminal charge (the dog charge) is called witness tampering, and that's a felony.
If the dash cam video was recorded in a public place, it is admissible in court unless PA has some unusual law regarding recordings in public places, otherwise, security cameras would be useless in PA.

You could file a civil suit against him, but I am not sure you would find an attorney who would be willing to take the case on a contingency basis, as there likely won't be collectable money at the end of the case, but if you want to pay by the hour, you could file a lawsuit for intentional infliction of emotional distress for the cat killing. You could probably get an injunction preventing him from letting the dogs run loose too. I don't know whether you want to pay the attorney's fees for all that though.
I would wager it's the cops don't want to be bothered with it.

There's a guy a few blocks away from me who has traps...leg traps...set out to catch cats and dogs. It's against city codes, cops know who it is, say there's nothing they can do about it. Another example, someone shot their neighbors dog because the neighbors dog was in his yard. Shooter actually admitted to the officer that the dog wasn't threatening them or anything like that, he just didn't want the dog in his yard. Firing a gun inside city limits here is a class A misdemeanor...meaning it's just under a felony...and an arrestable offence, cops wouldn't even write a report.

Cops, at least here, are too busy talking to all of their girlfriends on their cell phones to do their jobs.
 
#17 ·
Are you recommending 'the famous final solution,' or moving away? This guy and his knee jerk son are bullies, if anyone moves, it has to be them. It has been my experience that most all bullies back down when confronted with someone more crazy and more threatening: this is compounded when 'extra-legal.' I'd take it to where he has to consider 'the final solution.' My experience has been that he is far too chicken **** and will back down. After he backs down, I'd do something else to him just to reinforce my dominance.
 
#18 ·
Do you have handgun permits?

There is a "stand your ground law" in PA. I'd use it

I'd blast his dogs as I casually walked down the street, I'd even bait them if need be!

There have already been reports made on his dogs

Dogs can't testify especially dead ones

There's really a lot of ways to take care of dogs running loose
 
#20 ·
I am a state homicide and felony prosecutor in Florida. Over a decade’s experience. I am not allowed to give you legal advice, but I can generically talk about the law.

Every state will have different laws regarding the admissibility of evidence. In Florida, all that has to be done to admit a video is for an eye witness to take the stand and establish that the video is a fair and accurate depiction of what the eyewitness saw and heard. It is irrelevant whether the eyewitness is the person who filmed the video.

However, it is also illegal in Florida for a civilian to audio record another civilian without that civilians permission. So depending on the specific location, the video may be admissible but the audio would not be.

To me it sounds like the LEOs just didn’t feel like dealing with your situation. There’s not much that can be done about having a sorry police force except try to go over their heads to your prosecutor’s office directly. They may or may not be any better.
 
#51 ·
It’s seems obvious that local law enforcement are not concerned
I'm beginning to believe this. They act like they just don't want to get involved. Which also enrages me. It's beyond understanding because they have to know a little kid could be next.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Any thoughts, ideas, or opinions about this neighbor, how to best defend ourselves, and how to convince the police to do their job, are greatly appreciated.
Move. Move right now. Don't wait.

I had an escalating situation which ended up in a 9 against 1 ambush attack. I'm lucky I lived. I thought to myself, this is my house, I will not be forced out of it. Subsequently, I had to be escorted home by an ex Army Ranger and the National Guard. It really got that bad, as they were waiting for me every day! (this was just after a hurricane, so the NG was providing relief)

The situation was not fixable, it spiraled out of control, and the rights of other homeowners lead to such bad behavior. If you think you can "fix" this situation, you are 100% incorrect.

I'm sorry you are having such trouble. However in my case, looking back, I should have moved, THE NEXT DAY. The end result was years, no, make that decades, of struggle, expense and stress.

Oh and by the way, I'm looking out my front window at the adjacent wall, and 5 bullet hits. I also left the bullet hole in my car door, as a reminder of what an idiot I was.

MOVE.
 
#23 ·
We have an obligation to right wrongs for the 'next guy.' Passivism is as bad as doing the bad deed: it could be said that passivity is at the root of many of our national and international issues, not to mention at the very core of why we are drawn to this site as 'preppers.' Heck, if we run, why even prep?

I'm just glad you aren't 'covering my six,' what if you just moved?
 
#27 ·
We have an obligation to right wrongs for the 'next guy.' Passivism is as bad as doing the bad deed: it could be said that passivity is at the root of many of our national and international issues, not to mention at the very core of why we are drawn to this site as 'preppers.' Heck, if we run, why even prep?

I'm just glad you aren't 'covering my six,' what if you just moved?

No one should be held hostage in a dangerous situation and offer themselves up as a human sacrifice just on the chance that the next homeowner may have trouble with the neighbor. Not everyone on the block is having the problem that the OP is having. In fact, it seems that the OP is a special target of the weirdo neighbor.
 
#24 ·
you won't be solving this problem because you won't take measures on their level of "game play" ....

this whole cat & dog thing is just a start - those dogs will be biting someone and maybe worse >>> when that family gets pizzed enough it won't be some tire slashing crap - just hope their target isn't you ....
 
#25 · (Edited)
I'm in the MOVE camp. Some hills are worth dying on; this one is clearly not.

Considering the dynamics of this situation, the OP will see no good end to the matter, even if justice is rendered. It doesn't matter which form of justice is dealt out: legal justice or 'hillbilly' justice simply because one side of the equation is riddled with two generations of literally insane people (like father, like son).

These are not rational, thinking people, and they will be free to cause you grief over and over because it is not likely that both father and son will be locked up in prison. And even if they were, prisoners have a "way" of reaching out and touching their enemies.

Just move and get on with your life away from these hellbent neighbors. This situation has the smell of a never-ending McCoy - Hatfield situation, lol.
 
#28 ·
Check your local animal ordinances via internet. City LEOs may not be adequately familiar with the but animal control officers will be, go to their office and talk to them. Locally an animal will be considered vicious if it makes an unprovoked attack. I used to have a neighbor that had a dog than would if outside, charge the fence next to my vehicles. Wish I had known then what I know now. Ultimately the dog bit a meter reader that was not in their yard but reached over the fence to pet the dog. The next day the dog was gone. Power company made them and offer they couldn't refuse.
 
#29 ·
Has this guy always lived there?

or more likely recent move in?

does he own or rent? Look on the county tax collectors website? Different owner, just notify the owner of the reports to the police about the dog calls. Nothing persona. The landowner can be legally responsible for those who they rent to.

you and the neighbors make all roaming and/or vicious and or barking to the local humane society, the local animal control and the police — in that order. speed dial them on your phones. The cops don’t really think it is their business.

sooner or later someone from the humane society or animal control will wander by. If they get rushed by those dogs off the dogs property then I can assure there will be a response. The psycho neighbors will not like a fine or paying to pick up their dogs. Life will be short term he’ll. Multiple cameras and aimed at neighbors houses because no one will know who will be blamed.

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do an online background check of the man and his son at least. They probably have a ‘history’ . You and your neighbors NEED to know even if it is just domestic violence (no mention of a wife, highly likely).

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if the landowner contacts you, be cautious, they may be friends/relatives. Just give them a general non-emotional idea. Depending upon how much they owe the bank they could lose the property due to lawsuits. For all you know the landowner wants to get rid of them because they haven’t been paying but eviction blocks have prevented that.
 
#30 ·
Doing anything to make him change his ways will cause retaliation from a psycho person like him. I suggest not doing anything direct because you don’t know what he may do to your property or family. The best solution is to end it. There are two ways to do this. The legal way protects you in the best way. That, unfortunately, is to move away. Difficult, yes but you will also be able to enjoy life again without this ongoing stress.