But they just don't look all cool and tactical! This is an internet fantasy site where image is everything.

 

I hear ya, Bro. My shotty has to have tactirails, and a breacher, and a synthetic speedfeed stock, and a side saddle, and a light, and a red dot, and an extended mag tube, and a tacticool sling, and vertical foregrip.
Then I be cool, Bro!:

 

Ole Double Shotgun, awesome gun until Joe Schmo Biden ruined the thing.

 

Love my Stoeger coach gun :thumb:

 

It's a great option, unless there are more than 2 people.

 

Sir, I mean no offense, but in all honesty . . . when that first load of buckshot takes person # 1 down hard, is there ANYBODY or ANYTHING that you care enough about to stick around & take a chance on being
# 2???

And when # 2 goes down just as hard, are you REALLY going to chance rushing 'em & risk being # 3???? My God, what a gamble. What could be worth it??

Or are you going to do what anybody would?

Haul butt to stay alive??

 

Rice Paddy Daddy,,,

lets have some fun !!!!

prolly nothing easier to McGuyversurvivor a suitably scary tacticool homebrew than a double gun,,
a $10 or $20 Led Flashlight and some electrical tape ---fasten it under the barrels securely (try doing that with a single barrel !!)

swipe your kids teachers laser pointer off her desk at the next parent teacher conference and tape that on top of the rib between the barrels..

you could even attach it to the rib with self adhesive velcro !!!

Or get a piece of PVC pipe,, paint it black and tie wrap it under the barrells to store shells and feed them into your off hand for "tacticool " reloads .

or maybe get a $20 Machete,, grind it to a double side pointed blade and duct tape it under the barrels as a bayonet in case the Zombies move in on you while you are fumbling with reloading

Paint the stocks with Duracoat truck bed liner paint...so the gun does not slip from your hands when covered with slippery splashed brains of the Zombies

forward pistol grip ? easy,, just cut one off a $20 BB replica pistol and glue it on there

tacticool muzzle brake simulator ? again, easy... suitably sized PVC pipe,, cut off a couple ten inch lengths and cut grooves for the bead sights and down one side of each in them , paint them flat black and slip them over the muzzles glue them together

Survivalism is not only easy, it's cheap and fun too !!! Are we having fun yet ??

 

What kind of Bubba are you? It all sounds good, but nowhere did I see the words JB Weld.

 

I love them for hunting or a one-time shocker or backup, but I'd never use one for serious social purposes. If you do you should plan on just shooting it, then dropping it and pulling a different gun or using it as a club, it's just too slow to fiddle with reloading.

 

Independence, & Mr Morden

not directed at you 2 personally, I have no idea of your experience or background,, but perhaps some forum members, younger ones etc may glean something of value from my comments below.. stuff that has worked for me, usually against larger assailants , armed or unarmed , and so far , happily , without the added advantage of my double gun or the backup piece.. (I kinda thought when I touted the 2 shot double gun,, a belt gun backup was assumed by the reader,, at least those who know the typical home invasion gang is a gang of 3, and the street gang is typically 5 or more)

another thing I say to people who say, 2 rounds ? more than 2 assailants ? is that that 12 gauge is not going to stop in the first 2 guys you shoot,, if some of the others are behind them you will have done a Daniel Boone,, killed two birds with one stone,, and likely wounded another,, ( a 12 gauge slug will go thru a car door,, sometimes thru a car door,, the person inside and out the other door,, ...or thru an entire refrigerator some guts or ribs are not going to stop it.

an aside,, why not a multi round AR type rifle ? .. first , the very word rifle equates with distance, that is why they are rifled

and on the street if you are walking about with one, under ROL..., the LEOS will likely stop you,, in a WROL scenario, if it is seen,, you will have made your self a target of great opportunity for a concealed sniper with a Mosin who wants to upgrade his arsenal for 60 cents..
and , I do not know this part for a fact, but up real close and personal with a lot of coked up gang members .. It is my belief that an AR type weapon muzzle will be grabbed by one of the others not first shot..
as to the handgun,, you should be, and very well likely may be, -- your choice or theirs,, like it or not---, so close in that your sheath knife is as , or more, effective
a sheath knife up under the front ribs takes out the ascending aorta , and that kills quicker than a .45ACP anywhere else

a sheath knife into the lower back, enters the kidneys,, death takes a few minutes, but the immediate pain will render the opponent completely disabled immediately

if it is more than 2 people,, I would prolly have already left the scene, tho , LOL

(I have never been successfull against more than 2.. and have the hospital records brain damage and broken bones to prove it....LOL)


if not,, that is what the butt is for...
not to get too serious here, but take it for what it's worth-
of course you have to be moving forward in those situations anyway,, moving forward you are in balance, human nature is to move back when someone comes aggressively forward and that puts the other guy(s) off balance , physically and psychologically

you want to get "inside" their gun , knife club, or fist, belly to belly..up close , in their face ...I did not learn this from youtube, LOL....
you want to be so close they have to bite you to defend themselves, ,, I know , I've been bit a few times,,before the guy went down... you need to be the scariest thing they ever met.. growl,, it works,, it's not just a movie thing

on the other hand,, most of the guys who envision self defense scenarios have never lit off a pair of 12 gauge shells in a dark enclosed space, like a foyer or hallway... the muzzle blast, flash and noise will have most likely made both yourself and your opponents unable to see , hear or even think well enough to continue the fight,

so light em up and let survival instinct take over, swing , jab and punch out that buttstock,, it is quite a natural automatic instinct,, mankind has been clubbing for 2 million years,,

and knee in the balls is pretty effective, so effective that it is "socially unacceptable " like a pistol...it is the "great equalizer " up close and VERY personal .... LOL

btw.. statistically.. the typical NYPD shootings/shootouts with skels take place at a distance of 3 feet .you got to own that 3 feet....something to think about for all of us...

 

I don't want a double barrel now because Joe Biden recommends them.

Al

 

Double barrel shotguns do not limit you to two shots. They limit you to having two shots loaded at a time. They take under two seconds to reload if you practice it. Same point as in the .45 Colt thread - people have this idea that twice the shots = twice as good. Reality is that in most situations, the most important rounds by far are round zero ("he has a gun"), round 1 ("he has a gun and he's shooting at me") and round 2 (in case the first shot missed). The value of additional shots in a home defense situation is usually very incremental. It's better to have them than not, of course.

I trust pump shotguns slightly more, all things considered, but not by a lot.

 

Actually for a country boy a double trigger SXS is an excellent tool. Load birdshot in one pipe, buckshot in the other and you have instant load selection to respond to whatever size creature is causing the rucus in the hen house.
City slickers may need a pump gun for the dreaded zombie invasion but I just need to take care of whatever is looking for the all-you-can-eat chicken buffet.

I've got Stoeger Uplanders in 410 bore and 20 gauge.

 

First of all, not all doubles are equally useful: the outside hammers are a must, double triggers are a must, short barrels are needed. Second, under what circumstances are you going to use it? If inside the house, pistol is better. If outside the house, rifle is better. If against charging animals, pump or semi- is better.

 

DOnt forget the "Two warning blasts" On your back porch. XD

 

My great grandpa had been in shootouts as a constable patrolling turpentine camps in the South, and my father told me stories about feeling the buckshot lodged inside the skin of his arms when he was a kid. Anyways, he used a .32 revolver and a double barrel shotgun which he called "Brindle Gravy". :

 

well, having raised 3 daughters I can tell you that displaying a double barrel shotgun when some funky character appears at your door may not be 100% effective against a home invasion......but it proved 100% effective at preventing high school pre graduation pregnancies..

and no one ever asks my wife to dance.

are we having fun yet?

 

Love mine ( I now have 3 of them ) 2 with polished up chambers for shooting CAS... one I bought at Cabela's gun library... they thought it was Belgian... turns out it was a fine Italian double with fluid steel barrels, a greener cross bolt, & a dolls head locking lug, with light engraving... I gave a fraction of what my 3rd is actually worth to free it from Cabelas :thumb: my 1st 2 have been trimmed the shorter to 20", the longer is the one I use in Classis Cowboy class... the shorter one MRS uses if she goes...

these are my CAS guns... I like "real" old looking guns... & these are all raced up to shoot as fast as a pump gun... & in original format, were only $175.00 each from the used rack also at Cabelas



a pic of my 3rd this is a "dolls head" just in case you haven't seen one

 

I love these firearms of yours. I particularly like the double barrels.

 

I love my various dbl guns .... but they'll be just used as "last chance" and for any limited shooters during a SHTF .... just not practical for defense and even serious meat hunting ....

for defense it's not just the single or two shots .... you need to disable the gun in a notable way to reload .... with a pump or auto you can reload almost unnoticed and as you go .... and eazy enough to slip in some load changes while re-stacking the magazine tube ....

 

I have a Savage Double Barrel I got for Christmas when I was about 15. I've used it a lot of years and it still a great shotgun!

 

got an auto shotty 2, savage copy of an A5 ,, and a 30-30 lever rifle... both partly for the ease of slipping in replacement rounds as you go, if firing slow or have a pause in action so as to keep them fully stoked,,
but all that said,, nothing give me confidence as much as that little double, and someone here said 2 seconds to reload,, takes me 4, I will have to sharpen up a bit,, but either way,,it will likely take me 2 to 4 to locate another target,, and I do not have to take my eyes off the field to reload,,, I do not have a pumper,, as said in another post,, when my off hand was broken, I came to the conclusion that I wanted firearms that could be easily worked with one hand broken or free to hold a tree branch, , a mast, a rope,, , a kid out of the way,, I can work the autos,, the lever, and the bolt action one handed in most cases....

 

Different strokes for different folks. Use whatever works best for you.

I own a nice little Stoeger 20 gauge coach gun. It's a lot of fun at the range, where I've spent quite a bit of time shooting both slugs to check their performance at different measured distances, as well as different shot loads to pattern the barrels. It's a nice little gun inside 20 yards max with slugs...and closer to 10 yards with most shot loads (in my gun).

If you're shooting one or two people at close range, double barrel coach guns work great.

I took it hunting this past hunting season, just to try it out, and convinced myself that while a double barrel shotgun with 24" barrels and chokes might be real useful in the field, taking a cylinder bore coach gun bird hunting is sort of marginally better than throwing rocks!

Since I own other shotguns for shooting people at close range, I'm thinking of trading in the Stoeger on a nice Remington 1100 gas semi-auto in 20 gauge, with a 24" ribbed bird barrel and a set of chokes.

Coach guns are a lot of fun to shoot, but IMO for either hunting (birds, hogs, deer) or settling interpersonal social disputes there are simply better shotguns out there.

YMMV.

 

y'all know now, if I was to meet y'all at high noon ... soon's I got someone to hold my stetson, and I took off my duster, bandoliers and serape,, found a safe place to lean my levergun .. and was down to my Levi's, Boots and spurs .. I'd make you eat those words Pilgrim

 

Grotius
iffen thet theya Stoeger was a 12 ga with exposed hammers and you would go east a fur piece from the theya left Coast.. I would say meet me at the Bean Blossom Music Park Blues Fest in Indiana..(www.deltafrost.com) tha last week of August, bring a tent and a yen for BBQ and moonshine,, and I would swap you a sweet Savage 775A 12 ga with a 26 inch barrel and a VariChoke /flash suppressor/Muzzle brake for it.Onliest trouble with it is it is 50 years old, like new, but I cannot shoot steel shot from it at little Duckies

y'all can recognize me there easy like... Ah'll be the guy in the Stetson, Serape & Boots with the Banjo leanin agin the Horse trailer at Cowboy Corner,, just ask anyone..iffen they seen Ol' 1/2fast

an me and ol'12 String, my brother, will git our gittars and play Bad Moon A Risin fer yer too.

 

Grotius
iffen thet theya Stoeger was a 12 ga with exposed hammers and you would go east a fur piece from the theya left Coast.. I would say meet me at the Bean Blossom Music Park Blues Fest in Indiana..(www.deltafrost.com) tha last week of August, bring a tent and a yen for BBQ and moonshine,, and I would swap you a sweet Savage 775A 12 ga with a 26 inch barrel and a VariChoke /flash suppressor/Muzzle brake for it.Onliest trouble with it is it is 50 years old, like new, but I cannot shoot steel shot from it at little Duckies

Weelllll.... ya never know!

The Bean Blossom Music Park Blues Fest in Indiana sounds right up my alley, and if you're bringing the moonshine I might have to Harley over there and catch up with you anyway! : I do own a 1897 Winchester pump gun that was my Grandads, he got it in 1915 according to my Uncle, so it's been in the family almost 100 years. It's got a 26" barrel with a built in full choke - I don't think they'd invented VariChoke in 1897, but someone who knows more about it might correct me!

I guess I'd prefer not to shoot steel shot through it either - fortunately I have a small supply of older ammunition that I think won't harm it. But I have a deep appreciation for old guns, and that Savage 775A sounds like ti would be fun to get out on the range! Congrats to you on that one!

 

ya, me , my brother 12 String , my daughter Merry .. and the Cabin 12 band open the main stage show on Saturday..the Harleys start to roll in Saturday about noon.. we don't usually ride there cause we got too many instruments to bring, but my whole family rides,, my brother, sister, their grown kids and their kids.. my sister does 10,000 a year on hers.. (60s some years old, kid sister I man, not the Harley ) 12 String lives near the Dragons Tail, used to do the Iron Butts every year,, but his bad knee from Nam been actin up.. his sons are Harley wrenches , Alan is still listed as a flat tracker,, my sisters son and his son are Motocrossers , the son was #1 in Southern Maine last season, his kid is a winner too , other son is out in San Diego, the chopper he and his Dad built has been centerspread in a few mags.

anyhoo... that week out there in Indiana is the best times, and the best people I ever knew..... a lotta guys bring jars of hooch,, but 12 Strings are the smoothest,, if you ever watch "Moonshiners" on TV,, that is where he live,, Franklin County, Moonshine Capital of the world, few years back a flatbed with 12 drums of mash was runnin from the gov't guys and rolled over (crushing a trooper car btw) my brother heard the crash , thought a bear knocked over something big tryin to get to the Horses and came runnin out with his 357 and the Feds said, git back in the house Hill Billy or we're takin you in too... and the mash went down hill into my brothers land and his chickens just stayed drunk for weeks.. the Rooster had the time of his life with those slopped biddies..cousin Matt got busted couple years back and alls he got was his stil.. not busted up, they TOOk it,, prolly sold it ...and 6 months public service,, cause they don't really want to put guys out of business, then there would be no one to chase , and no gov't paycheck every 2 weeks..

to other guys here, sorry, I got sidetrackes a bit,, it is Grotius fault..for having a coach gun and a harley and likin corn likker

 

Guilty as charged...

"to other guys here, sorry, I got sidetrackes a bit,, it is Grotius fault..for having a coach gun and a harley and likin corn likker"

Apologies to all for derailing the thread. It's indeed my fault, for owning a coach gun, a Harley, and for liking moonshine! :

I'll try to clean up my act...

 

While not my first choice in a lot of situations, there is nothing wrong with a double bbl shotgun. Just because it comes recommended by the biggest fool God ever let live doesn't make it a bad gun, just don't follow Bidens advice about firing "blasts" to scare somebody, but then that holds true of any gun. I've had an old Stevens 311 come in handy around the farm more than once and usually didn't need the second shot or the spare shells I carried. It's amazing how often a single shot of 12ga clears problems right up.

 

I bought myself one of these for Christmas last year...

I have not installed any bolt-ons yet. The thing is a bit heavy.

 

While I would pull mine out in a last ditch scenario, anyone who shot a slug through mine would promptly have his ass kicked.

Dunno about newer ones, perhaps they have removable chokes, but my Full/Improved Stevens isn't about to be ruined with slugs.