Well, I'll tell you what folks, the conservatives, whether they be GOP. Libertarian, or Tea Partier's better get together for the greater good or look forward to 4 more years of this!

 

Libs try to "help" people by giving them a fish a day from my dinner table. I don't mind doing that for a short time, but that doesn't really help them. I don't mind doing that for a short time but not for the rest of their and my lives. I would rather really help them by teaching them how to fish, so they can get a job fishing and take care of themselves.

As for the "few Democrats" who have grown a couple, please name some of national stature.

As for the corporationists, throw them oot out too along with the unionists

 

Libs try to "help" people by giving them a fish a day from my dinner table. I don't mind doing that for a short time, but that doesn't really help them. I don't mind doing that for a short time but not for the rest of their and my lives. I would rather really help them by teaching them how to fish, so they can get a job fishing and take care of themselves.

As for the "few Democrats" who have grown a couple, please name some of national stature.

 

Libs try to "help" people by giving them a fish a day from my dinner table. ...I would rather really help them by teaching them how to fish, so they can get a job fishing and take care of themselves.

Oh ya, I agree. But in a "perfect" government, I think the libs goal is to "teach people how to fish". The problem being that they are completely inept at it and it ****es me off that we're the ones that have to pay for that education (AND the fish to feed them in the process), but I kinda see were they are coming from.

I just don't think that the people who claim to be liberals are any more dedicated to that process than the people who claim to be conservatives.

 

At the end of the day, most Democrats and Republicans are still The Government. I'm no conspiracy nut, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that many of the key players in both parties are meeting right now, in secret, trying to figure out how to stifle the will of We The People.

There are a few Democrats and Republicans that are growing their very first set of testicles, supported by a wave of individual liberty and responsibility, that may be able to stand against their national party bosses. But I'm primarily supporting fresh blood, someone that wasn't there to create the problems.

 

At the end of the day, most Democrats and Republicans are still The Government.

...I'm primarily supporting fresh blood, someone that wasn't there to create the problems.

Agreed. I think one problem is that when people are in the gov long enough to get used to the power, they start craving more. Even the people who think they are there to "help" want more power so they can "help more". They start thinking the only solution is *more* government control. It becomes a vicious cycle. I think the "fresh blood" are more ideological (in a good way) and, if you choose the right people, could potentially get this country back on track.

 

I got active in the Republican Party because of Barry Goldwater. It was the first time since before WWII that the conservatives tried to take the what was once the conservative party back from the blue bloods who had taken it over. I was also active in one of the first Tea party like movements - Young Americans for Freedom started by William F Buckley which battled SDS on college campuses. I was very active beginning in 1976 when Reagan first ran and lost to Gerry Ford.

For the most part conservatives who lost to RINOs in primaries, supported the RINOs in the general, but the reverse was almost never true starting with Romney (the father) and Rockefeller not supporting Goldwater. So attacks like what are happening against O'Donnell and Angle and Miller are nothing knew. These RINOs are just showing their true stripes - they are libs and when they have nothing of substance on which to run, they spread lies and smears.

On the other hand, even today most conservative who lost (DeVore, LaMontagne, Hughes) are supporting the primary winner.

I can no longer be so charitable. If McCain had not picked Palin, even knowing what I know now, I still would not have voted for McCain. I will not vote for Charlie Baker for governor over the "Devil' himself. I will blank the spot.

This is a fight for the soul of the GOP. I hope you will join in. We have a chance. The Tea party candidates may not be perfect (who really cares if Christine as a teen age girl dabbled in witchcraft because of her boy friend - many Christians wander long the road and finally are born again - Christians can forgive).

Yes, together WE can. But divided we fall.

 

they are libs

See, I actually have a problem with this statement. I don't believe that "liberals" are the devil that conservatives try to make them out to be.

I was watching a Book TV show where James Grey was interviewed and he used the term "corporatist". He was saying that pretty much every republican and a good 30% of the democrats are really corporatists. Corporatists are really the majority in the senate. In other words, they are happy to screw the American people in order to support their corporate buddies. THAT, I believe, is where the frustration comes from. "True" Liberals are actually out to help people, "true" conservatives are out to make government smaller and make a freer America. Our current congress is doing neither.

 

I used to claim to be a democrat, based on what I thought the difference was. Then, a couple of years ago, I really started researching what the parties were supposed to stand by. Then I realized that I am a Republican (minus the religious part). But I can't find a "true" republican to vote for. Now I realize the party that I am drawn to follow are the "libertarians". As crazy as Ron Paul can be about some stuff, he has a lot more concepts right than either of the RepubliMats.

 

I thought that it was funny as heck back when Obama first came in and the media were having orgasums about all the change we were gonna have. It seemed obvious to them that since most of the Congress were democrat, that Obama could have anything he wanted.

Then Pelosi and Reid popped up and said "Hold it right there new guy. We're the real Washington Bosses. You do what we say". So then Pelosi, Reid and Obama started infighting.

Now the shoe is on the other foot, Republican Hotshots are bad mouthing the winners of Republican Primaries.

 

The GOP was in place when Bush balooned the deficit, before Obama blew the doors off the treasury. He and they did nothing to stop the spending when they could. Those in power then know they are to be voted out at all costs, Rep. or Dem. Simple.

 

If the GOP doesnt back tea partiers, i wont support GOP.

 

I have this to say to the poor old GOP......WAAAAAHH!!!

 

The GOP can take a hike. If they want to shoot themselves in the foot, fine.
The tea party isn't a 'party', it's a bunch of like minded , fed up people. The movement cannot be controlled by the GOP, cannot be bought out. It's not a single entity, it's millions of individuals. They cannot get their arms around it, and it's killing them.
It's a political militia on a national scale.

 

Don't worry. The GOP will come around sometime before the elections because they will have no choice and don't have the backbone to resist the popularity of the candidates. Circumstances will force the GOP to accept these interlopers as legitimate candidates at least until the next election when they hope they can dump these guys. But, by the same token, these TEA Party candidates may completely change the whole look of the GOP so that it becomes the real party of the American public.

 

A LOT of incumbants from both parties are losing, and even more decided not to run after seeing the hand-writing on the wall. The tea party IS changing the political landscape and the majority of Americans support their same ideals. It is so "in" being a conservative these days that politicians are claiming to be conservative who arn't, but they arn't fooling many. Then they STILL say that conservatives can't win! We'll see.
The political party platform for the GOP is very conservative. Some GOP politicos don't seem to realize it, though. Seems to me that the parties should vet their candidates before they are allowed to run on the party ticket...they either subscribe to the party platform or they don't and are then ineligible to run under their banner. Either that or change the platform for the RINOs. The party labels should stand for something.

 

I say our political system is now so corrupted that Jesus Christ Himself could float down from the heavens, fill out the paperwork to get on the ballot, and still not get elected.

 

He could fool almost half the Nation if he winked, shook his ass and said, "you betcha'" though...

 

There's a 1 party system that controls American politics, called the "big government party".

Reps want fake wars, bailouts, patriot act, ect
Dems want stimulus, health care overhal, higher taxes, ect

Pick your poison

 

The bottom line is that the country isn't split 50-50 left-right down the middle. It's more like 25-50-25 with the 50% in the middle that actually decides elections. It's a pity they've been scammed into believing they have to pick a side.

 

How come we have to side step our morals and ethics in order to "win a majority"?

Because most people who vote apparently don't posses them themselves, regardless of party.

 

Totally disagree with that. The majority of voters want the politicians to go back to moral and conservative values because that's what they themselves believe.

 

Note to GOP. You are just as much at fault for this problem in washinton as the dems. We want you all out. We are tired of you steeling our labors for your own and telling us you know better. America has waken up from her slumber and is still groggy but will get rid of you foul criminals.

 

note to gop. You are just as much at fault for this problem in washinton as the dems. We want you all out. We are tired of you steeling our labors for your own and telling us you know better. America has waken up from her slumber and is still groggy but will get rid of you foul criminals.

yes, yes, yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!

 

This really is nothing new. When the first Tea Party rally was held in 2007 during the Ron Paul campaign, the GOP candidates mocked it. Now with the current Party movement, most mainline Republicans still combat TEA Party candidates because they know it's their ass come election time. Democrats think it plays to their advantage, but we'll only know for certain come November when the first TEA Party candidates step to the plate for the big showdown.

 

a LOT more than mock it. One of my uncles represented his district and was at the convention with Paul's campaign. He spoke of their materials being confiscated by security and burned in the hotel incinerator, microphone cords being cut, even a couple arrests for 'public intoxication' and violating a curfew that didn't exist.

 

The Tea Party on Tuesday night made it perfectly clear it will be a force to be reckoned with in November.

But the infighting between Tea Partiers and Republican leadership has set up a showdown between traditional politics and activist ideology. Here's a look at what the differences are in several key issues that will come into play in the next seven weeks.

National Debt: This is the priority for the Tea Party activists as the country's explosive $13 trillion debt helped spark the movement in 2009 when members protested government bailouts, the massive $800 billion stimulus package and President Obama's health care overhaul.

Tea Partiers want to balance the budget, end runaway government spending, including pet projects for lawmakers known as "pork," and stop the tax hikes.

While Republicans aren't opposed to those demands, they have come under fire for running up the deficit when they were in power, including the $700 billion Medicare prescription drug benefit that wasn't paid for and initiating the bailout of Wall Street and the auto industry after the 2008 economic collapse.

Tea Party favorite Rand Paul in Kentucky has vowed to "vote against and filibuster any unbalanced budget proposal in the Senate."

Tax cuts: This is an issue where Tea Partiers and mainstream Republicans agree. Both sides have called on extending the Bush tax cuts, saying their expiration even for the wealthiest Americans would amount to a tax hike that could imperil a fragile recovery.

Size of Federal Government: Tea Party believes in smaller government. Activists, including candidates Sharron Angle in Nevada and Rand Paul in Kentucky, have proposed abolishing the Energy and Education departments and the Federal Reserve.

Republicans also believe in limited government, but they have attacked candidates calling for the abolition of federal agencies as out of the mainstream.

Social Security: Tea Partiers have called for privatizing Social Security. But when President Bush made the same proposal in 2005, it was a nonstarter among Republicans in Congress.

Immigration: Tea Partiers supported Arizona's illegal immigration law that a judge mostly blocked this summer.

Republicans have also expressed support for the law but many conservatives are still mad at the party for trying to pass comprehensive immigration reform twice under President Bush that would have provided a pathway to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants.

Health Care: Tea Partiers want to defund, repeal and replace the law. While Republicans have echoed similar sentiments, Tea Partiers are concerned that Republicans won't follow through on their promise if they regain power.

Energy: Tea Partiers call for the rejection of cap and trade, a policy that would cap the carbon emissions that energy companies release into the atmosphere and force companies to trade permits to emit.

Many Republicans also have opposed the policy, deriding it as cap and tax. But some Republicans who have supported it have paid a political price, most recently Rep. Mike Castle.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/15/gop-vs-tea-party-issues-dividing-sides/

 

I saw this coming months ago when the GOP was buddying up to the TEA party supporters.

The GOP got it in their thick heads that for some reason, American disgust with our government was synonymous with supporting the GOP in November.

What the GOP has failed to realize (and the Dems can't quite grasp it yet either) is that the American people are sick and tired politics as usuals and especially career politicians.

There will be a big upheaval this November and again in 2012. Good bye incumbants, Hello fresh talent. Goodbye to the two party system and hello to som fresh options.

It is the only chance that the USA has for survival.