Those have been up at Classic for a minute.

I personally love them. It's worth noting that they were made from 1933-1958, and around 500,000 were made. That means they aren't exactly as plentiful as Mosins.
GP-11 is my favorite milsurp ammo ever.

Any idea on upcoming costs? I see them regularly at $300.

 

Didn't ask. Just talking to my importer buddy (who DIDN't tell me about the $6-$8 FAL mags $$@$;%;$:&&;&!!!!!! Before he sold them to Centerfire!) and he told me they were coming.
I'd asked him to give me a heads up when the AMMO came back in, so I assume that's why/it means the ammo is coming too.

 

I'm stoked about maybe upcoming GP11. I'll pile it up.

 

I'd love a swiss k31. Always have liked that action. I've just never found one at a price I can justify spending.

How many came in? That might effect pricing. Condition could too.

 

Sorry, like I said, my concern is the ammo...

 

what are these going for now a days, i was snapping them up for $79 a pop, think i have 7 or 8 of them :

 

I looked at one a while back when they were 99$. Didn't think the beat up thing I was looking at was worth that much. Is what's coming in now of any higher quality?

 

I haven't Ben around a lot of these rifles, seven or eight, but everyone has been a shooter. They have one of the best triggers you'll see on A old military rifle. They have not been Ina war so they have had good care. Mine with a scope will shoot within a inch and a half at one hundred yards.

 

i dont know, all my $79 pieces look pretty good












these m39's are one of the few that can outshoot the k31

 

Where did you get them for $79?

 

The K-31's, with the possible exception of the Finnish Mosin's, are considered to be the most accurate of the Mil-Surps. As a range rifle and possibly a hunting rifle they'll hold their own. However as a SHTF battle rifle, there are quite a few better choices.

 

I wouldn't say that......

The Finns killed an ass load of Germans with their rifles...

The Germans had " mo' betterer guns" too.

It is the operator, not the equipment that decides the fight.

Mall ninja chair borne guy with a scar vs. Trained disciplined ex soldier with M39.....

Mall ninja better hope to get lucky:thumb:

I know who my $$$ is on.

 

Okay. I'll play. Flat terrain. Trained ex-soldier with a 45-70 and 5 cartridges vs. mall ninja with AR and a bandoleer. I know who my money is on.

The Finns fought the Russians not the Germans and had pretty much equivalent arms.

In addition, I'd take the Finns against the Swiss in a heartbeat. Better leadership, tactics and rifles.

Did I win?

 

Okay. I'll play. Flat terrain. Trained ex-soldier with a 45-70 and 5 cartridges vs. mall ninja with AR and a bandoleer. I know who my money is on.

Hell that gun (lets assume Marlin 1895) in the hands of an experienced hunter vs a mall ninja with an AR and the mall ninja is still going down.

I do have to say several of the ex soldiers that I know that have tried my 1895 failed miserably with it. Most it had an issue with working the action so that it was able to reliably eject and feed (working it to slow). A few had issues with the recoil.

 

Define "flat terrain" more. Are they in a big field facing each other at 1000 yards with some cover here and there (ditches, cars, bushes)? Or are they standing across an open and completely empty field 50 yards from each other, shooting on the count of three? In any scenario, I'd pick the trained or veteran shooter, regardless of weapon, but there are higher odds of the untrained guy getting the first hit if they are standing still in the open, because it's more like the paper targets the untrained guy has probably practiced on. Main issue in that scenario for the untrained guy would just be nerves.

But if there's ANY strategy required - for example, cars to crouch behind, distance to cover to get in effective range, the other person is moving, etc - the trained guy's advantage goes up drastically.

The weapon is a factor but not the main factor.

 

This is a survival forum. One isn't likely to use a K-31 hunting squirrels. My statement was only that the K-31 was not the best choice for a combat rifle.

Why 5 rounds, because that's likely what's in the magazine tube.
Bandoleer, because that's what ninja's carry + 10 or so magazines.
Trained ex-soldiers would likely be lost with the trajectory of the 45-70.

Many considered the M26 light machine gun to be the best in the world at the time.
And the Mosin as fielded by the Finns would in my opinion be a much better war rifle than a
K-31.

I once hit a clay pigeon at 70 yards with a Chief's Special. If I ever publish my memoirs, it won't be a paragraph long either. It probably was luck. And Dixon didn't use a 45-70 .

Do I win now?

 

No you don't win...you live in New Hampshire:thumb:

Hell, I hit a toilet once with my glock 19 at 200+ yards.....I call it lucky skill.

 

"Winning" aside, the K31 is a great rifle for those that collect military arms. I've had a couple, and still have one. Superb accuracy, and an action like you'd expect the Swiss to make. Not to mention, it is relatively easy to find "tiger striped" K31 stocks that often make premium European walnut stocks look plain.

Whether it's a good choice for survival? Meh. If I got rid of every gun I own based solely on it's practicality, my collection would likely drop by 2/3's. :thumb:

 

i would like one, but i am already invested in like 11 pistol calibers and 13 rifle calibers.... 7.5 GP11 is .306 in diameter, so i would either have to swage .308s down or buy new projectiles to reload... while i would appreciate it for its historical value, i dont know that i would shoot it all that often.

 

I'd say get one before they're gone for good. I love mine. Thank God I found 'em when they were cheap.

 

If I didn't have to shoot left handed I would of had a few already. Such a well made and accurate rifle.

 

Wish I had the money available to pick one up. Maybe before the end of the year, if any are still available.

 

7.5 bullets are .308".

 

good to know... chuck hawks agrees... shoulda checked with him first...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/7-5x55_Swiss.htm

i think gp11 mil surp projectiles are .306 though....

 

Got mine yesterday with a 480 rd case. All in 650$. Only ran a few rounds through to check action, smooth as butter, not as fast as my LE, but then only those biathletes are. Range day tomorrow after work

 

Classic firearms has some K31's in stock. Any opinions on those ? Also if reloading for the K31, would a .308 diameter projectile work ? Ammo seems to run about 55-60 cents per round, so reloading would seem logical .

 

just took delivery of my first K31. What a beautiful piece of iron and wood. Need to give her a cleaning though, light film of cosmo in her. I can't wait to get this baby to the range.

 

Where did you order from?

 

here's a few of the Swiss Lady. Crafted like a Swiss watch !

 

Very nice...jealous of you now.

Looks like I need one, myself. Thanks a lot.

 

Wow! Nice score. That's a beauty! Love those rifles!

 

Thank you Sir ! Yeah, they are eye candy for sure. Anxious for some range time with her tomorrow AM. Can't believe a rifle of this quality sells for $300.

 

I may have to buy one. My son just put ten rounds in an eight inch circle at 200 with his and he isn't even that good with a rifle. (His old man is better!)

 

And the ammunition is topnotch also. I've seen a lot of it at a bit over 50 cents apiece. Prvi usually sells for about 75 cents each and it's boxer primed. This is a cartridge in the same class as .308 and all the other 30's from the 1900's. Just remember to move your nose out of the way when retracting the bolt.