Survivorman Vs. Bear Grylls on drinking urine
kev
I was told that drinking urine was bad for you. i think this is a mixed subject for many people.
This guy is a PUD!There's another video of this guy or the other surviver man showing how to fill your jacket with a pocket of air and use it as a floatation device as you body surf down a fast flowing river,But if you look closely you can see a life jacket under his shirt. These guys a bunch of fakes!
Well there may or may not have been a life jacket under his shirt but...
Filling a wet cotton shirt, wet cotton/denim trousers or even a wet cotton sailor's hat with air will act as a floatation device. Been there, done that, if I didn't done that I'd still be in Navy Boot Camp... One the skills you're required to learn before graduating... Part of why the Navy still has the "dixiecup" hat.
Try it. Put on a cotton shirt with a button/tight collar. Jump in the pool. Open the neck button just enough to blow in it, then scrunch the neck closed with your hand. OR tie a knot in the end of each leg of a pair of jeans, jump in the pool holding the waist of the jeans in your hands behind your head. Now inflate the legs by pulling the pants over your head quickly to the front scooping air into both legs. Hold the waist line under water with a leg under each arm. Then relax... You have to re-inflate every few minutes, but it beats the heck out of treading water.
Allan
Filling a wet cotton shirt, wet cotton/denim trousers or even a wet cotton sailor's hat with air will act as a floatation device. Been there, done that, if I didn't done that I'd still be in Navy Boot Camp... One the skills you're required to learn before graduating... Part of why the Navy still has the "dixiecup" hat.
Try it. Put on a cotton shirt with a button/tight collar. Jump in the pool. Open the neck button just enough to blow in it, then scrunch the neck closed with your hand. OR tie a knot in the end of each leg of a pair of jeans, jump in the pool holding the waist of the jeans in your hands behind your head. Now inflate the legs by pulling the pants over your head quickly to the front scooping air into both legs. Hold the waist line under water with a leg under each arm. Then relax... You have to re-inflate every few minutes, but it beats the heck out of treading water.
Allan
I've done it
it won't kill you
won't even hurt you as long as its fresh its sterile...
The claity willl determine the salt and impurity content...
it won't kill you
won't even hurt you as long as its fresh its sterile...
The claity willl determine the salt and impurity content...
Urine is a waste fluid that is meant to remove impurities from the body. It's certainly not fit to ingest in its raw state. Now, if you were in the worst possible survival situation and you had the means to purify it, I suppose it could be recycled although I am no expert on the subject. I would rough filter it as best as possible. I would boil it. I would dissolve some iodine tablets in it and allow it to sit. Then I would filter it through my hand held Katadyne filter pump. I might even boil it one more time. Of course, by then I would have died of thirst.
Distillation
Why not just use a solar still or distill it on your stove/fire.
Easy, but takes a bit of time.
Why not just use a solar still or distill it on your stove/fire.
Easy, but takes a bit of time.
Look there's loads of these threads kicking around about Bear and Survivor man.
Put them in a cage and let them fight it out.
So who's your money on then Kev?
Put them in a cage and let them fight it out.
So who's your money on then Kev?
To be able to drink urine all u need is a piece of plastic and a small container......dig a small hole......**** in the hole.....put the container in the hole...cover the hole with the sheet of plastic.......... place a small pebble on the plastic above the container.........when the urine evaporates it will condensate on the plastic....with the pebble above the container the condensation will run down the plastic sheet and be funneled into the container...drink it when it is done...what is left is pure drinking water.
Saw Bear do this "Solar Still" but the Urine was used in a still made with a tarp/plastic bag. The urine and saltwater were not actually drank but used for condensation which formed on the plastic then dripped into a drinking vessel. Not allot of water but better then none. As far as actually drinking the Urine, bad, bad, bad. Unless you can afford on of those filter systems they use for the astronauts.
There is no reason in the world to drink urine--whether distilled or filtered or whatever--when there are many better sources of potable water.
For example, you could cut a notch in the top of a live vine, then cut off the bottom, then squeeze out the water in it. Also, bamboo sections have water in them when the plant is alive, as do cacti, albeit, cacti water can be bitter and might need filtration to make palpable.
Moreover, speaking of filtration, one could make a filter out of a container of activated charcoal, pebbles, and sand to get impurities out of most impure water sources, then boil what comes out for at least a few minutes.
Finally, you could just lay a wide tarp down on the ground over night, then catch water early in the morning in the form of dew or frost.
As you can probably surmise, I am not much of a fan of either Bear or Les. Bear is a long-proven phony, so forget him.
While Les has some interesting tips, he doesn't use his resources nearly as well as he could (e.g. he could have made a fire with either a spark from his motorcycle battery or with one of his camera lens.) Also, Les takes un-necessary risks all the while telling people not to do what he's doing (e.g. with mushrooms,) his trips have stupid rules (e.g. no hunting with the rifle) and Les is such a ninny about killing animals that would have no qualms about killing him.
For example, you could cut a notch in the top of a live vine, then cut off the bottom, then squeeze out the water in it. Also, bamboo sections have water in them when the plant is alive, as do cacti, albeit, cacti water can be bitter and might need filtration to make palpable.
Moreover, speaking of filtration, one could make a filter out of a container of activated charcoal, pebbles, and sand to get impurities out of most impure water sources, then boil what comes out for at least a few minutes.
Finally, you could just lay a wide tarp down on the ground over night, then catch water early in the morning in the form of dew or frost.
As you can probably surmise, I am not much of a fan of either Bear or Les. Bear is a long-proven phony, so forget him.
While Les has some interesting tips, he doesn't use his resources nearly as well as he could (e.g. he could have made a fire with either a spark from his motorcycle battery or with one of his camera lens.) Also, Les takes un-necessary risks all the while telling people not to do what he's doing (e.g. with mushrooms,) his trips have stupid rules (e.g. no hunting with the rifle) and Les is such a ninny about killing animals that would have no qualms about killing him.
WoolyBooger, The TV guys are phoneys and poseurs, however, my Dad's Bluejacket's Manual from his service in the Navy details legitimately how a pair of pants can make a floatation device. You take off your pants while in the water, tie off the legs, get air into the pants by putting them over your head and blowing air into them, tie off the waist, then hold on for dear life.
(This is probably why sailor pants have baggy legs, are laced up, and are often made of canvas. This is so they can hold more air, bead off water, and can be secured to your person in the event of a man overboard.)
(This is probably why sailor pants have baggy legs, are laced up, and are often made of canvas. This is so they can hold more air, bead off water, and can be secured to your person in the event of a man overboard.)
Dear No Quarter,
You wrote:
As for whether this design is "gay and uncomfortable," I wouldn't know a thing about that. You'll have to take that up with a Quartermaster, DI, or a CO; they might have something to say about it.
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You wrote:
I've seen designs of canvas pants that lace up--by lace up, I mean the front ties up with laces--but perhaps the Navy has changed designs over the years. I've never wore them, but strictly from a stance of utility, having canvas pants that lace would make perfect sense in the event of a boat sinking or capsizing.
As for whether this design is "gay and uncomfortable," I wouldn't know a thing about that. You'll have to take that up with a Quartermaster, DI, or a CO; they might have something to say about it.
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If you got a healthy whiz to throw then you are not so near dehydration as some fear . Les is the real deal , Bear is the reality deal.
To drink urine may not hurt you while you're in good health, but if you're dehydrated, the toxins and salt in urine might just dehydrate you further.
In his book "Survive!" Les Stroud writes, " The primary dangers come from its salt and toxin content (the same dangers apply to drinking salty ocean water). The salt content (about 2 percent) tends to cause further dehydration, so it's a case of one step forward and two steps back. Urine also contains metabolic waste by-products, such as formaldehyde, ammonia, and dissolved heavy metals. The less diluted it is, the greater the concentration of the by-products you'll be ingesting. There are numerous documented cases of people dying from drinking their own urine. If any case, if you're already dehydrated, you'll produce little urine... A safer option than drinking your urine is using a solar still... to distill your urine."
In his book "Survive!" Les Stroud writes, " The primary dangers come from its salt and toxin content (the same dangers apply to drinking salty ocean water). The salt content (about 2 percent) tends to cause further dehydration, so it's a case of one step forward and two steps back. Urine also contains metabolic waste by-products, such as formaldehyde, ammonia, and dissolved heavy metals. The less diluted it is, the greater the concentration of the by-products you'll be ingesting. There are numerous documented cases of people dying from drinking their own urine. If any case, if you're already dehydrated, you'll produce little urine... A safer option than drinking your urine is using a solar still... to distill your urine."
I like the both but for different reasons...
Bear is entertaining...
Les seems to be a bit more practical and down to earth...
Bear is entertaining...
Les seems to be a bit more practical and down to earth...
No, they are that way so you can put your pants on with your shoes already on. And they hold as much air as jeans. Actually if you keep your pants wet, you don't have to re-inflate them as much.
-I knew sea-scouts would come in handy some day :thumb:.
As an aside, WTF is up with Bear's obsession with urine! Almost every show he is providing us essential information how it is good for:
Putting out fires
Keeping you warm by filling your canteen and using it as a hot water bottle.
removing a frozen knife from your hand
marking your territory
I appreciate Bear's lessons, but it is getting a little much...
Les is more real, he whines at least every episode about lugging his cameras around, and he doesn't have a pee fetish.
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