Is suicide ever justified? I know this is a taboo subject, but I am curious on people's opinions...
Does justification change after SHTF?
Does justification change after SHTF?
catfishsooner
There are certain conditions where I might opt for suicide. Like if I'm trapped in a burning car wreck and have a gun. Or to prevent being tortured into betraying the ones I care about. You know things like that. But out of self pity? NO!
That is really a tough question. If I was in so much pain and had no future quality of life, I would probably consider it! But my own spiritual belief is that suicide is, lets say taboo, because God gave me physical life and only God should take it away for whatever reason! The pain and suffering is a pathway to spiritual growth ( I believe in eternal spiritual life) and the opportunity for growth should not be wasted.
I guess it all depends on how much inner strenghth one has!
I guess it all depends on how much inner strenghth one has!
When I no longer feel free.
When I feel I am a slave.
When another man has dominion over me, my decisions, my actions, my productivity.
When every attempt of mine to overthrow the bonds of oppression are utterly, totally defeated.
When there is absolutely no other choice but to bow to a man or die.
Only then...
When I feel I am a slave.
When another man has dominion over me, my decisions, my actions, my productivity.
When every attempt of mine to overthrow the bonds of oppression are utterly, totally defeated.
When there is absolutely no other choice but to bow to a man or die.
Only then...
If things get bad enough, lets say after global war, where life of any sort is struggling ... I opt for it. I like the idea of choosing how and when I go.
The fact that I am a "true survivalist" inherently keeps me from suicide no matter the fate. I will die the way God instructed the angel of death to take me, not a moment sooner. You only get to die once, Its kind of a privilage for Christians to go when called.
Im bound by my religion to never commit suicide.Its the one unforgiveable sin.So in my eyes, no its never justified.However I look at self sacrafice for a loved one as something completly different.
Per doctors orders, I have performed a number of gastric lavages for those who overdosed on multiple meds and got to the hospital quickly. Some people repeated the overdose behavior. The NG tube kept in a freezer usually cured the repetitive behavior. I don't think anyone knew how to solve the underlying problems..
Suicide? I don't think so.
Suicide? I don't think so.
suicide isnt usually a well thought out thing, its a desperate attempt to stop pain. mental, or physical pain. I suppose it IS a cry for attention, though not usually a conscious one. They don't really want to die- just literally have run out of coping resources and your psyche buckles.
and those that do attempt to open up and talk about it- (those that aren't being a complete emo) are still usually shot down and branded an attention whore.So they generally sit and stew until they get drunk one night and finally manage to do it.
and those that do attempt to open up and talk about it- (those that aren't being a complete emo) are still usually shot down and branded an attention whore.So they generally sit and stew until they get drunk one night and finally manage to do it.
No! Before or after SHTF No!
How much despair or hopelessness would someone have to feel to end up doing this?
Look how many serviceman have done this! I lost a friend to this and when I see threads about suicide it brings back memories I'd like to just keep hidden!
Some say it's the most unforgiveable sin! By GOD? I have a problem with this.
It is the most desperate act a person could ever do.
Life as a vegetable/severely handicaped or one last adventure and see whats on the otherside?
I'd opt for suicide and take the adventure tbh.
Cowardly of me? Maybe but it would spare me the indignity of having someone wipe my a*s and spare my family the stress and strain of looking after me.
I'd opt for suicide and take the adventure tbh.
Cowardly of me? Maybe but it would spare me the indignity of having someone wipe my a*s and spare my family the stress and strain of looking after me.
If things go bad, or I'm about come to a very bad end then suicide is a viable option.
I have no family, so there is noone to cry or whine if I did it. As far as it being cowardly there are other cultures that would disagree entirely. Plus it takes a hell of a lot of guts to gamble eternity with your decision
I have no family, so there is noone to cry or whine if I did it. As far as it being cowardly there are other cultures that would disagree entirely. Plus it takes a hell of a lot of guts to gamble eternity with your decision
There is only one circumstance where I would even consider it. If all my loved ones and friends were dead, and I myself was in a situation where certain death was inevitable, I would probably take my own life, rather than die horribly for nothing.
Should there be even one family member or friend still alive and kicking, I'll claw my way out of whatever I have too for them. It wouldn't matter what was being done to me, or how much pain. There is a way out of anything, and I would never kill myself and leave my loved ones.
I fear neither pain or death. What I fear is not being needed. I fear life without them.
Someone else once said something that rang true for me. If the world goes to crap, I will most likely meet my maker busted up and covered with someone elses blood. I'll go down fighting to the last breath. I. Won't. Quit.
Should there be even one family member or friend still alive and kicking, I'll claw my way out of whatever I have too for them. It wouldn't matter what was being done to me, or how much pain. There is a way out of anything, and I would never kill myself and leave my loved ones.
I fear neither pain or death. What I fear is not being needed. I fear life without them.
Someone else once said something that rang true for me. If the world goes to crap, I will most likely meet my maker busted up and covered with someone elses blood. I'll go down fighting to the last breath. I. Won't. Quit.
In Occidental societies suicide is usually a permanent solution to a temporary problem. In Oriental societies it is an acceptable way to atone for all wrongs, yours and others. Occasionally for a noble cause suicide is approved in Occidental societies... hmmm... knowingly going into a deadly radioative area to shut down the reactor to save millions.
i always thought if i knew I was getting alzheimers (runs in the women in my mom's family for generations now) I'd go for a loong walk in a snowstorm and lie down in a snowdrift somewhere... don't want to burden my family and cause them bankruptcy. better a quick grief than a drawn out dying of soul and body and causing them to lose everything they have financially. Only thing is that with alzheimers you are usually unaware by the time you are diagnosed... or if you know, you forget right away!
attempted suicides I know of in younger people are always a sign of needing help, an act of desperation, and a need for medication. mental illness is a terrible disease.
attempted suicides I know of in younger people are always a sign of needing help, an act of desperation, and a need for medication. mental illness is a terrible disease.
I do not fear death. Or, if you prefer, there is no death. There is only the cessation of this life before the transformation of our energy into its next manifestation. This life in which we love to live and grasp at so desperately is merely an encumberence once we can no longer enjoy it or learn from it. The problem is that most people cannot be honest enough with themselves to discern when that point truly arrives. Some rush prematurely forward, while others demand to live, even if there can be only pain and anguish.
We need look no further than those that wail and mourn when an elderly or infirm loved one departs. They often admit that the departed has moved to a better place yet they are selfishly distraught. Rarely is there a rational reaction to the loss of a loved one. Would that make us seem less human, or is it further example of our inability to be honest with ourselves?
I have seen many people living in situations or with conditions that I would prefer never to have to experience myself. Some appear happy, some merely tolerate, while others obviously suffer through their condition because they fear the unkown; they fear death. I do not have to live their life, so I cannot judge them if they chose to abandon it. As there are things that I fear, I cannot judge those that are afraid to abandon it.
We need look no further than those that wail and mourn when an elderly or infirm loved one departs. They often admit that the departed has moved to a better place yet they are selfishly distraught. Rarely is there a rational reaction to the loss of a loved one. Would that make us seem less human, or is it further example of our inability to be honest with ourselves?
I have seen many people living in situations or with conditions that I would prefer never to have to experience myself. Some appear happy, some merely tolerate, while others obviously suffer through their condition because they fear the unkown; they fear death. I do not have to live their life, so I cannot judge them if they chose to abandon it. As there are things that I fear, I cannot judge those that are afraid to abandon it.
In my Christian based perspective suicide is not the answer. How can you ask forgiveness for this if you are dead. To me the risks concerning my eternal soul are just too great. I have had times when like sucked and at the time I felt that it would be a relief to no longer exist but I held on and life got better.
I guess my suicide scenario isn't rally pure suicide....
Hopefully, if I walk the same as my talk, I would put myself in harm's way in the attempt to let others live in a Red Dawn/Obama Death Camp scenario.
My idea of a "justifiable" suicide is me purposely drawing fire from the towers so as to give my family and the other prisoners time to escape through the hole in the fence, assuming I myself am not able to escape due to injury, illness or cancer, etc.
If I am gonna die anyway, I want my death to do the most good, and serve a noble purpose. Sadly, I see lots of opportunities for that kind of heroism in the near future; I believe our mettle as indiviuals and as Americans will be tested like never before in our lifetimes.
Hopefully, if I walk the same as my talk, I would put myself in harm's way in the attempt to let others live in a Red Dawn/Obama Death Camp scenario.
My idea of a "justifiable" suicide is me purposely drawing fire from the towers so as to give my family and the other prisoners time to escape through the hole in the fence, assuming I myself am not able to escape due to injury, illness or cancer, etc.
If I am gonna die anyway, I want my death to do the most good, and serve a noble purpose. Sadly, I see lots of opportunities for that kind of heroism in the near future; I believe our mettle as indiviuals and as Americans will be tested like never before in our lifetimes.
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