Heres my story-

I was on a train leaving work from the Sydney showgrounds over the Easter Show just as the train left the station --
I was in the carriage nearest the drivers by the way.....

A group of about 30 late teens men and women came in led by this one big MOFO, they all looked like immigrants middle eastern looking (not being racist but they were) they then proceeded to destroy the interior of the carriage with their hands and attempted to break into the drivers cabin.
When this failed the big punk started punching out the ceiling lights with bare hands!! he then walked past me and glanced at me and to be honest I thought if he punches me I'm out but him and his gang walked past and continued to the back of the train doing the same thing.
Honestly I have never felt so helpless, I walked further down and there was a group of tourists and locals cowering in the corner with little kids crying it was disgusting!!!!!
The train stopped out side the station waiting for the police to arrive, so im expecting riot police and dogs etc etc at least 20 cops but no......there were 4 cops lol, I found out later the riot cops got sent to the wrong station.
Anyway needless to say all the gang just walked out of the station and that was that!
This stuck in my head for years.
Australia has a HUGE gang problem from Triads to street gangs, youre gonna need your guns if the SHTF.

 

Australia has a HUGE gang problem from Triads to street gangs, youre gonna need your guns if the SHTF.

Australia doesn't. Sydney does. :thumb:

 

EDIT

at least 30 and this was in 2001 while I was on a working holiday.

The rest of the trip was amazing.

 

I dont live in a major city but we have plenty of "gang" problems here, MOSTLY petty theft, arson, (unarmed) assault and graffiti along with the odd stabbing, occasional murder.

(i'm in the volunteer fire brigade so i get called out to all the fire bombings, car torching and other arson, 95% which never make even the local news)

All gang members are known to the police its just that the police lack the ability/evidence/court system to lock them up and keep them locked up.

That all said, gangs are still the minority, and I think post SHTF when the general public are no longer in fear of being prosecuted for adequately defending themselves they may just find themselves wiped out fairly quickly (I hope anyway)

 

Nice take om that mate, I know gang related crime makes up a small percentage over all. I think you might be right there. Post shtf, vigilante and self policing activity would make a huge difference.

 

Yeah they'd be a threat to individuals while in groups, but most of them are just ****-ant naughty teenagers. If they suddenly had no Facebook or trains to catch they would run home to mum and dad. The organised crime gangs like the bikie gangs and some of the larger and older immigrant groups would be more of a threat to society as a whole.

The people running these groups have guns, a chain of command and a ruthless mindset. If there was a collapse of the rule of law I can imagine these folk having the ability and desire to fill the power vacuum.

 

Yeah, those Young Liberals need to be watched as well.

 

Same problems here in New Zealand. Youth gangs, Mongrel mob,Black Power and several MC gangs. The latter are more organised and better resourced. If SHTF be prepared.

 

nah they're all just high spirited kids letting off steam, harmless high jinks and comeraderie...mixed with a little boredom is all, surely to goodness.

























Thankfully multiculturalism or lack of employment is not to blame either:taped:

 

Thankfully multiculturalism or lack of employment is not to blame either:taped:

Nor does the lack of consequences for actions

 

I get around a lot!
I know where most members live:

 

I take that to mean, you'll be giving my area a wide berth.

 

You guys don't need cops, you just have to bring Mark "Chopper" Read out of retirement!

 

yeah really ."Wess choppa' whine ya nay'dun mite"?:thumblol..my attempt at "ausie speak")

 

I wouldnt believe everything you read about Chopper. He's a famous liar... but dont tell him i said that!

 

Cayne, do you plan on moving to Mount Druitt or Granville when and if things go pear shaped?

No?

Then what the hell are you concerned about?

let the drongos in the cities go at each other like rats in a cage. I think they'll all get what they deserve.

I think if you want to call yourselves survivalists, stop talking about what the 'sheeple' are doing or not doing, and concentrate on your own preps and real world networks.

However, I suppose the road to survivalism, always starts out, with the beginner feeling a little 'cocky' cause he's got shiney knives and 30kg of rice stashed away and a 'gung-ho' attitude to match .

 

Cheers for the reply mate. Its a valid point. I would be anywhere but those areas, and you are right, the deadbeats will take care of themselves.

However, its dumb to rule them out as a threat, assume you wont end up near them or have to deal with them, be it this afternoon or post shtf.


As for the personal attacks that came accross sounding pretty "cocky" to me, are you here to make friends or enemies? Because by the looks of most of your posts you are just posting obvious answers or directing people to do their oen research. By the sounds of your first post it sounds like you know your **** and want friends. Well, I would not go making assumptions or judgments on people you dont know, you might just scare off the sort of people you came looking for in the first place ;-)

 

First off apologies if you thought it was a 'personal attack'. That wasn't my intention, so sorry about that.
Bascially, all I'm saying is ones energy and time can be spent elsewhere ie: preps and networking, rather than coming up with imaginary 'scenarios' on the internet. A percieved threat ican be VERY different to an actual threat, and as survivalists it's important not to fall into the 'group-think' trap of beleiveing the whole 'when tshf' scenarios that have become quite common on international survivalist forums.
The reason I have linked to our Aussie forum, is we keep things reality based, and it's a real life network, where friends and contacts help each other in all aspects of survivalism OFF the internet.
Cayne, I can come here and lead a horse to water, but I can't make that horse drink.
regards
E

 

I nearly kicked an "adlay" down some stairs inside the train, only reason I didn't his mate was behind me.

They infuriate me to no extent ESPECIALLY how young they are these days.

 

Thats what back kicks are for.

 

lol sorry mite

 

i feel ya pain..mate.


here in the states we have those pesky "boyscouts" wrecking havoc, lighting fires and pushing popcorn:

 

Thank god I live in the Bush.

 

I will reiterate here, you need to unleashe Chopper or maybe Neville Fu@king Bartos

 

Choppers about to drop off the perch, we need a new anti hero!

 

How about *****?

 

Here's my answer...No. I don't live in Sydney, they're no threat to me.

 

Spoken like a true anti-hero.

 

We don't need an anti hero,
We don't need to know the way home.

 

 

... I believe that one day these 'gang-stars' will accidently / inadvertently kill some innocent with one of these cowardly 'drive bys' that it will be on.

As far as random violence on public transport goes don't paint a target on yourselves. Be smart. Be aware of your environment. Avoid sitting on the train head in a book and ipod blaring. You know what I'm talking about. Be honourable and be safe.

 

Yeah in USA there's about 35.000 street gangs not including biker gangs tagging crews posses prison gangs lowrider gangs with estimated 1.5 million gang members in Cali they were those white shirts ****ies pants or shorts hi tube socks and those nike cortezes or winos overall I like all states besides texas on Louisiana Cali's buitiful lol they just protect there varrio or barrio or neighbourhood westside crips westside cartel Fresno bulldogs menace of destruction my only brother ms13 sur13 florencia13 Fullerton tokers town Rochester Tongan crips westside bullhead city crips must be criminal rebels cause click clack cartel of the streets rebels cause white fence 18th st red team blue team Mongols hells angels avengers jaguars outlaws pagans bandidos diablos westside Rivas Los lobos Los demonios Los blue devils los playgirls Los originals Los originals cuca kings cuca dog patch limon st gangsters altaloma vato locos monte vista st upland outlaws latin kings gangster disciples westside tuk e boys elsinore young classics cholos which are mexican gangs bumbinq there oldies music spm lil rob lowriders pitbulls budwiesr glock 10 uzi shotguns etc... To much I give up

 

Gangs will be a problem for those who come into contact with them PSHTF but

Most are just thugs and rely on numbers to intimidate, they do carry knives now and will more so after TSHTF but few have access to guns!
After TSHTF you wont be riding the trains but follow the first golden rule DO NOT BE ALONE! Two is good four is better!

Tip If one of yours is targeted, either move or declare war! they only respect violence!