That's a good question. If I find people compatible and with some skills to add to my group I would invite them to join. The accident would need thinking. Before running to help, make sure it is not staged to take over your group/preps. As far as finding a child needing help I would definitely take them in. I think every normal person would, even if it meant sharing meager supplies.

 

im glad at least some one else is caring for kids. but if you seen the accident happen ahead of u would you? i know that there would be at least 10mns of talking before before my group would finally side to go into invesigate a crash but with weapons up and armed.

 

If God puts them in my path or me in theirs, it's for a reason........I'd not ignore it.

 

let's get real:
if god wants them dead, who are you to deny him that?

 

Yes this topic has been brought up numerous times but I always like to hear a fresh take on ideas. I have always answered that would someone or a party of someones were to come knocking at our door needing assistance we would let them join under our rules. I hate to sound so authoritarian or like a dictator but if someone was to want to join our group it would have to be on our terms. You really don't know people now and I surmise it would be even more difficult to gauge people post shtf so it would take us a long time to trust others, but if they are willing to play by the rules and do their equal share I would find it a warm welcome to have others around. On the ohter hand I would not let others join nor would I help someone who might post a threat to the safety and welfare of our group, surviving means just that surviving.

 

Depends on how far into the post SHTF we're talking, I think. If it's right after and there's a ton of looting, killing and such going on, then no. They would be turned away to protect my family and/or group. I have a larger responsibility to my own than I have to any stranger.

If we're talking about several months or so into it, and wanderers are trying to find a place to rebuild and regroup, form a community, then they'd probably be allowed to stay under the established rules of the majority of the group. I'm sure that trust would be an earned commodity.

I'm skeptical and suspicious of everyone as it is, and strangers aren't welcome at my home right now, let alone during very stressful life or death situations.

On the flip side of this coin, in a serious shtf situation, I sure as heck wouldn't be expecting strangers to take me and mine in and trust us, either. It's just not logical when faced with your own survival.

 

You can't save them all. Which one or two do you pick to save? I'm not trying to be cold hearted, only realistic. Many folks are barely equipped to provide for their own.

If someone were to bring something to the group that would aid all of us, and in return, we could aid them also, then I'd be very open to it. That's how communities are formed. Well, real ones anyway. If they were to bring extra animals to add to the herd in return for living and working amongst us, they'd be welcome. If they brought something that would make the gardend more productive, or allow us to harvest faster or something, they would be also. Depending on what kind of people they are. I'm a harsh critic and very judgemental.

I'm not going to be handing out antibiotics from our scant supplies just because people are sick. We barely have enough as it is. Again, not cold hearted, just realistic.

 

I think this is a decision that needs to be worked out before TSHTF. That's why these discussions are useful and important now, while we can. The group you belong to has to work it out in advance.

With that said, kids must be taken care of, no ifs, ands or buts. Emergency scenarios need to be approached carefully so as not to get sucked into a trap.

Skills that can be added to the group are worth considering. Someone who would only be a drain on supplies would get passed by.

It's one of those calls that will be made at the time. But kicking it around beforehand in absolutely a must.

 

I think this is a decision that needs to be worked out before TSHTF. That's why these discussions are useful and important now, while we can. The group you belong to has to work it out in advance.
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With all due respects there is no way you can work this out before shtf. You have no idea what type of mad max movie your dealing with, is it the first one where society has broken down but government is still around in a very limited both in power and resources or #2 where there is just nothing but the true and pure survival of the fittest or # 3 where the fittest have become so large that a new and VERY different society but society none the less has developed.

You cant answer this without knowing 1000' of variables

But like I always say you are what you do and if you dont care about people or doing good now i wouldn’t expect it in the shtf but if you think the human race is better than living like rats each on their own than I think you would help, take in etc..

Now this all depends on the variables but assuming your reading this Im sure you will be able to measure the variables in any given case

 

I guess for me it would be hard to leave another human by the side of the road to die or if someone wanted to join me that had skills to turn them down or at least discuss it in detail. Doesn't matter how many anti biotics you have, they will run out at some point.

i can see how others have thier groups aready formed wouldn't want anyone else to join, it would change thier well concieved plans, and most humans don't like change.

all i can think or imagine is that people are going to have to be flexible when you are on your own. Your group could get sick and be unable to provide for itself. Having others near you could be a great benefit in time of need. If some people don't have many skills, i believe when faced with a dire situation, they will be very fast learners to those who offer to teach them.

Of course most that barely have enough to feed themselves, would most likely not be willing to give up anything, but i try to be optimistic, that person you take in and feed, might be in the right place at the right time to kill game, see danger, find a stash of food, or whatever. Saftey in numbers. the only thing that separates us from becoming animals is the ability to give compassion for others.

 

I guess for me it would be hard to leave another human by the side of the road to die or if someone wanted to join me that had skills to turn them down or at least discuss it in detail. Doesn't matter how many anti biotics you have, they will run out at some point.

And that's exactly the reason I'd be hesitant to give any of it up. Better to run out then than now. Every dose given out is one less dose for a family member, who may end up losing their life over charity to a stranger. It's a really tough call.

These kinds of threads have come through the forum many times and they always makes me feel conflicted. I am normally quite a compassionate person, even though I don't much like people in general. I'm the kind who stops at an accident and renders aid, rather than driving by being a lookyloo. I do volunteer work at charities for the same reason.

But I also have to be realistic when it comes to our needs. If I was on a large farm, I'd try to set up some sort of feeding station for the hungry, but alas, I'm not, so family has to come first. This attitude goes for the rest of our preps also. I'm simply not going to be in a position to hand them out, regardless how needy the stranger is.

I would always be open to accepting people who would benefit all of us as a group, but how do you find these people? There are going to be a lot of desperate people out there. They're going to promise you anything if it will benefit them. With that in mind, I would be open minded, but it would take an exceptional case to get past my natural suspicion. We have always operated on the principle that "if I don't know you now, I won't know you then."

 

Bottom line is OPSEC.

Yes. If operational security can be maintained (this is highly unlikely).

Its a tough situation to make a blanket kind of statement on. There can be very little doubt most of us will need additional personnel in our group. But at the same time, ONE PERSON can cost everyone everything with ONE mistake.


. . I dunno. But darned unlikely.

 

If they are a fraternity brother, or the female of a brother; then I must accept them. [I have in the past, and I will in the future]

If they are not, then it depends on what they have to offer.

 

An extra set of hands is more valuable than any supplies they may use. I plan on welcoming everyone with open arms, and saying goodbye to those who would take advantage of my generosity with loaded weapons.

 

I am not going as far as phoenix, but if I can find good honest people I could use the extra help. There are a lot of people that I do not want. Mostly lawyers, politicians, and folks who lie for a living.

 

Should add salesman, and bankers to that list. and anyone that has a negative rep on these boards. lol

 

NO!

You can't trust anyone these days...you really want to put your families lives in a strangers hands?

Whats to stop them from getting in on pity then while your sleeping slit you and your families throats?

Play it safe...JUST SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

Sorry you feel this way.

There are folks who can be trusted, just not very many of them is all.

 

see i thougth i would get reactions liek this from this post. But im not talking anout saving everyone, im talking a child on the side of a road, not some rube with a bat. And for the ppl joining your group it would deffinalty require thought. But i should add that it would be post hits the fan say..... 2weeks P.E. for the group joiner.


Also its very shocking that some of you wouldnt save a child, what if it was you vechile that flipped and little anne was the only one left alive with a bad cut and a broken bone. How would you feel if they just drove off and left her there, everyone did for 3 days on the raod till she died? Its only the right thing to do, save the kids not there fault it hapen, its ours and our dads and his dads.

 

My 2 cents ,If you run up on someone post SHTF how could you ever trust them to be honest and not wonder if they are feeding you BS so you will feed them. 2 And before I say this I love children,,, BUT using children as bait to draw people in and play on there emotions is as old as warfare ,, ask a Nam vet,, a 10yr old with an AK can kill you just as quick as any SpecOps soldier. Its a ?? I have pondered ,MZBs I can deal with but what do you do with the hungry single Mom thats shows up with a couple of kids in tow and are they just a distraction to get you to let your guard down ?? .I guess I'll have to cross that bridge when I get there ???

 

dog 56
it could all depend on how hot that single mom is

 

And if shes still sad about there dad lol.

 

Yours is a question that begs to be answered BEFORE SHTF...... pooling resources and families is something to look at NOW..... not after the fall. Trust is a discernment that can be clouded by exhaustion, fear, adrenalin. We are here to gain information, make decisions that work for our particular circumstances and to PREP....

As to your actual question: I think that "outsiders" from groups have been walking up to each other, bartering, sharing, pooling, and coming to accords for thousands of years across every land.... talk with them but be prepared to defend yourself, it may be a lifelong friendship.... listen to your gut, trust your judgment.... what will be, will be.

 

Once I board myself up in the cellar nobody's getting in.

 

Angel, strangers in the house

He'll do a nice quiet job.

 

It really depends on the situation. The risks and the benefits of any situation must be carefully weighed.

High mortality rate flu has collapsed society = Guns pointed at any who approach, warn with voice, warning shots, then kill shots before they get too close to my family. For one, our lives depend on our possessions. For two, we will not be catching that **** and I'll blast anyone over my right to quarantine my family in that situation.

Severe, localized earthquake = Sure, I'll help whoever I can, as long as it's safe to do so. Life is more important than my possessions.

Again, it's situation dependant. Any measure required to keep my family alive will be taken. After that, I'll try my level best to save the children of others. After that comes everyone else.

 

It's truly commendable that there are those who feel a moral and ethical obligation to help their fellow man/woman/child in a time of emergency or crisis.

It shows, imo, that human beings possess something much deeper, both intellectually and spiritually, than any other animal on earth.

This is why, after much deliberation and inner conflict, I have determined there must be some higher power. Despite what the intellectuals, all the books, and even the scientific community argue.

You know in your heart what is right; and that doesn't come incidentally. It's no accident that these convictions are as much as a part of a human being as the very blood that courses through one's veins.

It is simply not "conditioning" or superstition. I was a fool to ever even consider it so.

If I appear to digress and stray from the topic, pardon me, but there is a point I need to stress here, if you will...

Think back to the time when we were children. When innocense was a gift unknown to us. How bright, and full of fire we were.

And as we became older, how that blanket of innocense fell away. How things seemed to be less and less magical to us.

And it continued to be less and less the more we gave into the world and it's ways.

The more we found out, the less the sparkle in our eyes. You can see it every day; people who are nothing more than walking dead.

There is no light in their eyes. They are hollow and empty.

I believe this is the burden and cost of sin. Now whether it's sin against humanity, or sin against God...

However you want to slice it, it literally steals our very souls.

Greed, self-absorbtion and ego-mania are the very reason this is all happening.

If we are to be knocked to our knees only to resolve to, accelerate, if you will, this insanity against God and humanity...then we are killing the very light that guides our souls as human beings.

And there will be no survival of any nature.

I have determined, that although I have little, there are those who have even less.

I can certainly put my skills to work and kill for a mouth of food or water.

But I've determined that I'd rather actually be dead; actually lose my life trying to do some good....than be the walking dead who is less than an animal or beast; because unlike the animal, I know better.

Let your heart and spirit guide you.....not your fears. Because in the end, death is inevitable.

It's what you do here that counts on the other side.

 

"But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all men generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him." James 1:5 It is all very well to have a general policy(strategy) in effect before SHTF, but to attempt to set down specific tactics prior to the event is merely an exercise that may well become irrelevant in the actual circumstance. Children and apparently helpless people are used as bait and as shields all the time; that does not relieve us of a moral duty. "The Defense of Duffer's Drift" by E.D. Swinton is a very good book for people pondering such questions to read. In essence, it teaches that one must take a scenario, apply the given strategy to it, then test out various tactics and allow them to play out to their logical ends, then critique each tactic. This is how successful combinations of tactics are put together. But in the end, a spot decision will have to be made, and it will make all the difference in the outcome if the one making the decision had, that morning, taken a moment to humble himself before God and asked for wisdom, guidance, and protection through the coming day.

 

After all the initial chaos...I do believe it's our duty as human beings to try and form communities of support.

I think if anything worthwhile is to come out of the concept or philosophy of survival/survivalism, it should focus on the aspect of humanity and the renewal a civilized society ingrained in moral and ethical principal.

I not suggesting however, that one should stand with open arms as the stampeding masses run you down and take all you have.

What I am suggesting is when the dust settles, we do all we can to re-establish some sort of decent society.

 

what if all of you get sick at one time and can't care for each other. You go to town once in a while, you could get sick and pick up something. I think its good that you can survive on your own and need no help. Sometime, maybe not saying today, but sometime down the road you will need others.

So all i can suggest is finding someone like minded as yourself that you can turn to in desperate times.

 

Historically networks or societies have been their and have helped their members. But these are groups that are selective, and serve some common purpose long before any emergency arises.

As well as in communities themselves.

Keep in mind that on any random collection of 500 people, say your local neighborhood:

1- some of them will be very needy,

2- some of them will be sick and in need of medical attention that is just the way it is. Think of in your neighborhood today, how often do you think it is that someone there goes to see a doctor or a dentist?

3- some of them will be thieves,

4- some of them will refuse to have anything to do with you unless it is to their direct benefit,

5- some of them will spend all of their energies on causing doubt and worry, and trying to turn others against each other.



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