Did you know that Doctors have come up for a term that can be used to describe people who just generally feel like crap all the time, aches and pains, that sort of thing that happens to people when they gain 50lbs and dont take care of themselves. Its called fibromyalgia and I do know someone who got social security disability for that.

 

I applied for it and got turned down because I could breath.

 

Nah. MS is all fake, we all know that... They die just so they won't have to work, lazy asses.

 

Looked at the statistics - 4.9% of the population of Ohio receives social security disability benefits.

Highest percentage seems to be West Virginia at 8.8% and the national average is 4.5%.

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/di_asr/2010/di_asr10.pdf

On a statistical basis, therefore, for every 20 people you know, one should be on SS disability. That might be skewed a bit because of families, so that one SS disability recipient may be supporting several people.

 

That means Richh knows 260 people?

 

Either that or he lives in a part of Ohio that's a statistical outlier.

 

Before I retired I dealt with a lot of these people and believe me few should have been receiving disability!

 

I was reading that folks who run out of unemployment are encouraged to file for SSI disability and helpful SS certifiers are helping them get it. Apparently, they still believe in multi generational welfare, and since welfare reform was passed in 1995, they are defrauding the SS system.

In America this is a felony for the individual, the doctor, and the SS certifier. It's called fraud.

 

i knew this guy who applied for disability because of carpal. he actually was awarded it because some guy launched a bolt into his eye

 

Say what?

 

Not everyone on SS Disability wants to be on it...trust me I know.... I am one of those ppl. I was in an accident that left me paralized for the rest of my life. I work when I can, I help on my farm, and I raise 5 children. but there are times "more often then not" that I end up with all sorts of wounds that make it where I have to be in bed or the hospital to heal. I love my life but would change having to rely on the system if I could. So please don't look badly at all of us just because alot of ppl refuse to work when they still can.

 

Not everyone on SS Disability wants to be on....trust me I know.... I am on of those ppl. I was in an accident that left me paralized for the rest of my life. I work when I can, I help on my farm, and I raise 5 children. but there are times "more often then not" that I end up with all sorts of wounds that make it where I have to be in bed or the hospital to heal. I love my life but would change having to rely on the system if I could. So please don't look badly at all of us just because alot of ppl refuse to work when they still can.

Out of curiousity, did you sue the person responsible for the accident for all he or she was worth? I certainly hope so.

 

I was just commenting to my wife about this. Not one of my 35 year old daughter's friends have a job. Many are on disability but still collect scrap metal to sell and cut fire wood to sell. Disgusting!

 

Funny, I only know 2 people on disability. One is my sister who is in end stage renal disease from diabetes. She goes to dialysis 3 times a week and is on the kidney transplant list. The other is my best friend's husband, who was brain injured when a piece of farm equipment he was working on fell on him, landing on his head and trapping him under it for over an hour.

 

There have been a few threads like this here of late - but my experience is just as yours, though not quite as dire. Still, know only two people personally and they are in truly bad shape - one is 95% bedridden. In fact, I've said here before that I'm surprised by what I hear in these threads, since I have known(or known of) several folks who were in pretty bad/serious shape, but were still denied SSDI, doctors diagnoses and all.

I guess some are just that much better at working the system than at working!!!

 

Like I said in my first post... I don't be grudge anyone that really needs it. That being said I just seem to know some people that seem to be riding it out (if you know what mean)

Take this one SOB that lives down the road from me. Seems sometimes he forgets which one of his legs is bad. One day the left is all in a brace. Next week its the other one...

Limping around or in a wheel chair...outside putting on a show for neibors. A few days later I see him across town stacking firewood at some farm... Yah its like that. Small towns and rual area's means we all know your business....scammer.

 

turn his azz in......

 

As a health care provider I have seen folks come through my office that are on disability for being obese,depressed,bipolar,drug addict,alcoholic etc

they find the right doc to declare them "disabled".....usually w/ help from an attorney that knows the right doc to send them to

Almost everyone of these folks could work in some capacity

The last one was an able bodied male 27 that was on disability due to the fact that he was a bad alcoholic......the man had to have $5000 worth of tats on his body though

The worse are the parents that are on disability that just cant wait to get their kids on disability too......again.... shop around enough and get the diagnosis that you want

What burns me up is that I eat breakfast at a place that hires all handicapped people. Here are the real disabled bustin their butt AT WORK!!!!!!

Shame on the folks that are taking the system for a ride and shame on the docs for letting it happen!!!!!

 

As a health care provider I have seen folks come through my office that are on disability for being obese,depressed,bipolar,drug addict,alcoholic etc

Yea, know from your previous posts you think mental illness is a scam.

 

Some of you folks hang with trash. I don't personally know anyone like the ones mentioned in this thread.

 

My aunt has MS, is truly disabled. She had to fight fir 5 yeas to get Disability. They just recently reduced it due to "budget cuts" she now gets roughly $450/mo. In CA that don't get you far.

Ican't help but wonder if we got all the scammers off if she might get more.

I also wonder why SSI and Social Security are the first things frozen/cut during a budget crisis? Why don't we end these stupid un-declared wars and use the savings to shore these programs up untill we can figure out how to reform them without starving the truly needy.

 

I also know several people who get SSI fraudulently. I know one guy who rides a Harley and does construction work under the table for cash only because he is on SSI. I know one guy who claims he has a bad back but builds hot rods for cash under the table and one guy who also claims bad back but roofs houses for cash under table. I know a 35 year old worman who actualy got SSI for corpal tunnel, I just can't understand how. Did you know you can get SSI for being a drunk or a drug addict? It's true, if you go to rehab and relapse and can't keep a job you can get SSI I know someone who got it he had a degree in electronical engineering but decided he would rather get drunk and snort Coke and the government paid him to do it until he died at age 60.
I know there are people who are really ill that get disability, my neice has CP and she gets it, but it does seem that for every 1 person on disability that truely needs it I meet 5 that are on fraudulently. It is very sad and true that if all the frauds were off the people that really need help could get more and the government would still save money.

 

If you know that for real (people might not tell you their life story I might add.....) why don't you report them instead of whining?

 

For starters, you have no idea what you are talking about, if you knew any of the facts rather than jumping to conclusions you would not be being such an idiot right now.

The old lady who happened to run a stop sign died immediatly in the accident. The lawsuit against her estate was started by Medicaid. The lawyer walked away with 235,000 and I walked away with $275,000 with which I traded $201,000 cash for this land and $25,000 of that was a mortgage on a house, which the estate was unable to sell, Jarad recieved a $5,000 trust fund because he was in the womb in the accident, and Medicaid walked away with the rest of the $685,000 settlement. All Medicaid costs were covered by the old ladies estate. We sold the house in Clarkston and moved up here to build a life. I was for some time on private medical coverage through the hubbys work but when he had a heart attack and was not allowed to go back to work we lost that coverage.

My husband was disabled by the military 21 years ago and has never collected a dime of disabillity. And I have worked every time I have been medically able too since the accident. I paid into social security the same as you did, my husband has maxed out social security and no longer has to pay in. Technically we have put in more than we have taken out, so I am not living on your dime.

I am not a greedy person who holds a grudge, I felt sad for the old ladies family having lost her, who has'nt failed to stop fully at stop sign or missed something while driving. I had no right to take all they had, and even had I wanted too, it was all in land and would have taken decades to get half what it was worth. All the cash in the settlement went to Medicaid and the lawyer.

If you want to be an idiot and blame the world for your problems thats fine go right ahead... Some day you will be in need... wonder how much your tune will change then....

Besides I would get more in a month if I could work then I make now .....I only recieve $627.00 per month to take care of myself and my family.

 

You shouldn't have to explain yourself. I know it makes me angry too when people put me down for being on disability. I worked all my life too since I was 15 and I'm tired of this crap. I'm 58 and in pain all the time and wish all the time that I could go back to the very active life I used to have. Besides working I used to love mountain climbing, fishing, hiking, camping etc. I could go fishing but I can't even afford the damn fishing license or the bait. I can barely afford my bills and put food on the table. I might as well just drop dead and make everyone happy.

 

This isn't about greed, this is about economics and culpability. This is about holding the person, or in this case, the estate, fully accountable to avoid becoming a burden on society as a whole. Calling someone else an idiot? You're the one living with those choices, not I...I hope that I'd hold the other person and their estate fully accountable because I don't want anyone to pay for anything that isn't their fault, whether it's my family, myself, or society.

If you had the opportunity to collect more to correct your own problems and resolve financial issues incurred from another's actions without having to rely upon public funding, you wasted that and chose to be the parasite. If everyone held those responsible, responsible, the burden on the public sector would be diminished.

 

You can diss me all that you want I don't care. I am proud of what I did and how I live>Yes I collect SSD but I work now and did long before my accident. I have always been a hard worker and I always will be. I am in no way collecting on your dime.

 

OK, I have autism. It comes with various fun mental problems, like ADHD (yes, it is real), OCD, and Tourettes. The problems are kept under control by expensive medication. With the medication, I can work. However, if I do work, I will be denied my meds, and slip back into being unable to work. How's that for a catch 22? Many people with mental illnesses have the same problem. Bipolar disorder is real, and you will KNOW if the person you are talking to has it when they go from pleasant and nice to a screaming violent lunatic at the drop of a hat. I also get some SSI. I currently live with my parents, so my monthly bills are low. (I do not get food stamps, I pay for all my food.) I am trained as a computer repairman, yet have so far been unsuccessful in working.

 

There are people who genuinely need it like Misty and Angry Cow, but I know people who are playing the system for all its worth.

The big scam in my area is to claim your an alcoholic or drug addict. I know for a fact that upon completing treatment your encouraged by your friendly drug and alcohol counselors to apply for SSI benefits, as well as the friendly state workers at DSHS. Relatives of mine are on SSI now claiming to be unemployable due to alcoholism and or drug addiction even though they had no problem being functioning alcoholics and working two or three jobs prior. None of my relatives who are on SSI now are sober. If anything the minute they were approved and started getting the checks, their usage skyrocketed because they no longer needed to be responsible.

Cut the drunks and dopers off and not only will you probably be saving their lives and whatever is left of their souls, but you'll have plenty of money left over to help those who truly need it.

 

There are people who genuinely need it like Misty and Angry Cow, but I know people who are playing the system for all its worth.

When you have names and life stories it is harder to blurt out they are faking, right? Yet, if you just met them like shortly, you probably would see someone "healthy and normal" and jump to the conclusion they are faking.

I'm not saying people don't commit fraud, because some people obviously do (and they are allowed to so you "normals" can put pressure on the sick ones, that is why it is allowed to happen...). People can fake. That doesn't mean that we live in a world full of doctors who can tell you who is faking and not.

Depression can be very serious and is a disability if it can't be controlled. It's the number one reason for suicide for Christ's sake, but maybe they fake dying too? The OP has had his bout of situational depression, and knows the pain 1st hand, ask him... (Yet he can put posts like this one...)

Some people are depressed per se, and not because of a bad event. That means they will have bouts of depression for the rest of their lives. Oftentimes they do work inbetween. A lot of them do. And those who don't, you don't see them on their bad days when they are unable to get out of bed, when they stop eating and showering and that crap. You see them on their good day when they have to run all their errands because they are able to get out of the house. And if they can do that... surely they can work?..... Yea maybe, if you see them running around like that every day... but if you don't... then you don't know what is really going on in their lives.

I get by on part time disability, and I've been accused of faking it so many times it is sickening. I swear, people only go by either what you can put in writing online, or how you present yourself when you are out and about. Maybe people don't want to go into detail about their mental stuff, I mean it sure can be embarrassing. They might blame their disability on a more minor physical thing. I do it myself. To others, I only mention the Lupus as a cause, because I don't want to be looked upon as a freak. Instead they think I'm faking. It is a lose-lose situation. (For the record I also have Asperger's and ADD which comes with chronic depression, 2 hefty anxiety disorders and a sleep disorder.) I think there are many around like that, that will tell you half a story. And those days you feel like total crap or is in a lot of physical pain, you just don't go outside.

Seriously, what do you expect? People to whine to you about their stuff as soon as they see you? Most people have some pride. They hide what is going on so they won't be an embarrassment or a burden.

I used to think there should be a system for taking care of the weak (a working one, not one that excludes really sick people and include healthy fakers), still I never thought I'd be on the recipient side. I was always planning to be on the "giving" side. I think we all do... we think we are strong. And then it takes so little to humble us. Anyone can get sick. You could be in an accident that will change you from working 200 % to someone that needs daily care. I learned that boosting about how strong you are... there is this thing called Karma coming biting you in your behind.

 

tough call, 17 years plus working social services, yes there are real ones, but us in the office feel about 80% (in WA, BTW) are probably working the system. But you get hardened and start to believe everyone is a faker or cheat after you get lied to every day.

 

Here's what I don't understand though - I was of the understanding that if SSDI suspected fraud, or some kind of scam, they investigated it pretty aggressively. Also, doesn't SSDI generally require that applicants be assessed by their own(SS's) doctors?(I know for a fact this happens - at least in many cases - in NY). SO how can SO MANY people who are NOT legitimately disabled so easily scam the system?

I'm shocked by the alchololic/dopefiend business. How the hell is being a souse a disability? How does one even medically quantify such a thing?

No wonder this country is so hopelessly f-ed up. Drunkeness a "disability???"

We've gone insane...

 

My wife run's a law firm that does a lot of those cases. The most common reason people are on it is..lol Depression Your post is so acurate and sums up what has happened to our once great country.

 

Well, if being a drunk can get you qualified as officially disabled, and eligible for compensation from the SSDI dept., then I guess depression is not such a stretch.:xeye:

What a ship a fools we have become! Paying drunks and the "depressed"(I'm obviously not talking about the seriously mentally ill) as being disabled is a sure sign of the decadence of modern society - rotton to the core, really.

And we wonder why we're broke, nay, not simply broke, but so deep in debt no future generation will have a hope in Hell of paying the bills!

 

Truthfully I take umbrage to your OP, I am on this at age 46. When I was able to work I worked 77 hrs a week. But due to my jumping from planes for years as a member of the 101st Airborne and high school & college football prior to that and weight lifting destroyed my knees and back. Then almost 3 years ago I had my RT shoulder damaged at work and repaired then almost one year to the day, it got damaged again at work plus tearing my RT bicep almost in ½ . Now two operations later and many steel pins, screws and cable I have loss almost 50% of my arm movement.

So between my knees, back and now RT arm/shoulder I can’t work anymore. If I could I would… But the Dr’s had other plans and wrote letters against my returning to any work at all. Did I think that I would be here at age 46? No but hard work is what put me here… I am not nor have I ever been lazy. I now have to walk with a metal brace on each knee and a cane is something I did not think I would have to do at this age.

Just like almost everything in life there are good & bad workers and slackers. I also used to be Vice president of the local auto union and I saw firsthand that the union protects those who do not want to work or even show up… People both men & women who show up and do their job everyday never had to have us “save” their jobs it was only the ones that had problems coming to work. Does that mean that all workers are bad? Granted some on SS maybe should not be but to start a post named like you did is also wrong… Just my $.02 I am not calling you out or trying to flame here, I just want you know how your post hit me...:thumb:

Gunner

 

I dont think anyone is pointing any fingers at anyone who needs it. There is a huge difference between need and too damn lazy to work. I am from the hills of S.E. Kentucky and let me tell you, 99% of the claims there are just plain out laziness. In Hyden Kentucky, you have very few options. You are either a Coal Miner, Work in a local shop / business, Grow Dope, SSI or you get the he!! out. Alcoholism or "I have bad nerves" are the predominate excuses. While in high school there was a group of us that "ran" together. Out of the group 3 of us made it out. One of my buddies grows dope in the Daniel Boone National Forest and collects SSI. Another worked for a coal mine. It is a strange mentality in the hills. Every girl wants to marry a coal miner, and Shannon found himself one of those girls. As soon as he knocked her up she filed for divorce. She called him one night when he was getting ready to go in the mine. Told him she wanted a divorce. Shannon set down his cap, light and self rescuer, looked at his boss and quit. Last time I talked to him he still lived in his In-laws basement. There they are, all in the same house. How are they making a living now? You guessed it. SSI.

There are people who have a legitimate need. I have no problem with that. SSI was implented for those who can not help themselves. Great idea. However, the ones that abuse the system tend to make everyone look bad.

Gunner & Misty you are the exceptions. Gunner - Thank you for your service. Misty - I am glad you havent given up. These are two prime examples of what SSI was intended for. It was never intended to be a paycheck for someone who is just too Godda** lazy to get up off their Opra Winfrey & Jerry Springer watchin, Sorry, Good for Nothing, ****bird, lazy mf'n azz.

Lurked here for a long time. Usually dont say a whole lot. God gave us 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason. This just happens to be a very sore subject for me. My "friends" in the hills are mostly in better condition that I am to work and are just too damn lazy to do it. I broke my back a few years ago and have a spine full of titanium and I still get up and go to work.

Sorry for the rant....... I'll go back to lurking now.

 

I should probably start another thread on this, but this really brought home the point of the dangers of painting people with a huge brush. The media is largely responsible for this. The media loves drama and controversy, and so on the news we're not going to see people who utilize services like SSI appropriately. We're going to see the deadbeats and cheaters, and so that's how we perceive everyone who receives services.

The same is true for all groups. The media shows us the worst of humanity, and so we think all anarchists burn police cars, all blacks are gang bangers, everyone on food stamps are lazy with a dozen kids, survivalists are crazy rednecks in the woods with lots of guns (okay, that might be true ), and so on.

The point is that using big brushes to paint any group is lazy and dangerous. Isn't it better to give individuals the benefit of the doubt?

Sorry for the slight derail. Just wanted to get this out while I thought of it.