I have my family disaster procedure complete, and it says to go south. Would this be a good idea? it will be warmer so i can plant my Survival Seed Bank.
Survivalist12
South?
in my own opinion, talking end of the world and the such, i would head north, as droves of people flock south. better to be where there are fewer people. but it depends on where u live...
Honestly you should move to where your personal skill set will be the most helpful. Example... I grew up here in the south. I'm knowledgeable about the flora and fauna of my local environment. My survivability is greater here. I know the security risks associated with my area and lived through many of them. Though many of my skills will transfer to other environments i would never truly be as proficient as i am in my home area.
Of course there are exceptions ie. living in NYC or LA you'd be better off going anywhere else then staying there but i say stick with what you know. Your more conditioned to handle the cold of NJ then the skeeter swamped 100% humidity 98 degree summers of GA.
Of course there are exceptions ie. living in NYC or LA you'd be better off going anywhere else then staying there but i say stick with what you know. Your more conditioned to handle the cold of NJ then the skeeter swamped 100% humidity 98 degree summers of GA.
Glad to hear that. My survival scenario depends on people heading south and not north. 
The reality is that people WILL go south immediately, and then again as a second wave when the weather turns cold. Ever look at the number of homeless in the south as compared to, say, Duluth? There's a reason for that, and that reason is exactly why I'd rather deal with winter than head south with the masses.
I think the southern United States will be the most dangerous place to be when SHTF. But that's just my crazy northern mind telling me that.:
The reality is that people WILL go south immediately, and then again as a second wave when the weather turns cold. Ever look at the number of homeless in the south as compared to, say, Duluth? There's a reason for that, and that reason is exactly why I'd rather deal with winter than head south with the masses.
I think the southern United States will be the most dangerous place to be when SHTF. But that's just my crazy northern mind telling me that.
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Greetings,
I am a Canadian living in georgia since 5 years. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH ADAPTATION IT TOOK US. Everything is slightly to drastically different.
A snow blizzard does not scare me at all. But a thunderstrom here scares the heck out of me. You never know what to expect. A snow blizzard was fun. We were going out to play in it. -40, 60 miles per hour winds and heavy snow was fun! We were playing to be Canadian soldiers in a mission to kill those darns liberals...oups....Russians crossing the North Pole...Anyway...
You don't have venimous snakes, venimous spiders or spiders that can bite you and you end up with issues. We don't have geordia and all those parasites. We don't have poison oak and poison ivy was rare. Rabies was rare, here it is common. Fireants? None in Canada. Termites? Not a huge problem either.
Heat stroke IS something that you have to learn to avoid. I know all about cold. here, people get more hypotermia than in the North! I almost suffered of it last winter BECAUSE I did not realize it was cold and I did not dress like I should because it was warm during the day and at night the temperature went down fast.
Another thing: if somethings goes wrong, really wrong. You have people everywhere! All florida, SC, South and central GA country side is occupied. Just the mountains are reasonably empty. All the coast is crowded up to 75miles inland. When TSHF imagine 6-8 million people from Atlanta area pouring out on the 20 and 75. Jacksonville area 4-6 million on the 95, Augusta 1 million on the 20, etc...
Thank you
I am a Canadian living in georgia since 5 years. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH ADAPTATION IT TOOK US. Everything is slightly to drastically different.
A snow blizzard does not scare me at all. But a thunderstrom here scares the heck out of me. You never know what to expect. A snow blizzard was fun. We were going out to play in it. -40, 60 miles per hour winds and heavy snow was fun! We were playing to be Canadian soldiers in a mission to kill those darns liberals...oups....Russians crossing the North Pole...Anyway...
You don't have venimous snakes, venimous spiders or spiders that can bite you and you end up with issues. We don't have geordia and all those parasites. We don't have poison oak and poison ivy was rare. Rabies was rare, here it is common. Fireants? None in Canada. Termites? Not a huge problem either.
Heat stroke IS something that you have to learn to avoid. I know all about cold. here, people get more hypotermia than in the North! I almost suffered of it last winter BECAUSE I did not realize it was cold and I did not dress like I should because it was warm during the day and at night the temperature went down fast.
Another thing: if somethings goes wrong, really wrong. You have people everywhere! All florida, SC, South and central GA country side is occupied. Just the mountains are reasonably empty. All the coast is crowded up to 75miles inland. When TSHF imagine 6-8 million people from Atlanta area pouring out on the 20 and 75. Jacksonville area 4-6 million on the 95, Augusta 1 million on the 20, etc...
Thank you
Yes, it is VERY, VERY, VERY bad here. Stay away from the south!
Seriously, I couldn't handle your winters and you probably would have problems handling our summers. I think people from up north would have difficulty down here. I've lived in both places (South Carolina and New York). I think it would be hard for you having what you think of as summer in March and then heat and humidity from h-e-double L from July to October. I know I had trouble with snow storms and being confined from November to April. I loved upstate New York but I don't know if I could live there all the time. It did get kind of humid in August but our entire summer is like your August.
As far as people, I don't find anymore people - maybe even less - than in the northeast. Maybe for people from Canada, there are a lot of people here but I don't think you would find that to be your reality since you already live in a populated place.
kestak, welcome to the group. I'm glad you joined us.
Seriously, I couldn't handle your winters and you probably would have problems handling our summers. I think people from up north would have difficulty down here. I've lived in both places (South Carolina and New York). I think it would be hard for you having what you think of as summer in March and then heat and humidity from h-e-double L from July to October. I know I had trouble with snow storms and being confined from November to April. I loved upstate New York but I don't know if I could live there all the time. It did get kind of humid in August but our entire summer is like your August.
As far as people, I don't find anymore people - maybe even less - than in the northeast. Maybe for people from Canada, there are a lot of people here but I don't think you would find that to be your reality since you already live in a populated place.
kestak, welcome to the group. I'm glad you joined us.
Move south, that is a good idea. In fact I think there should be a mass exodus from the north so that everyone can be warm and have a longer growing season. It is the only wise choice a person can make. Those of us that stay north will just have to realize how unwise we are.
The fact still remains that in an EXTREME end of the world as we know it situation that areas with long winters and very harsh, cold climates are harder to sustain life without our modern conveniences.
I vote go somewhere warm but I vote go there as soon as you can and start living that life now if it's possible.
I vote go somewhere warm but I vote go there as soon as you can and start living that life now if it's possible.
If you want to go south, I would either go there now or wait quite a while after SHTF has happened so you arn't caught in the chaos of it. You don't want to be just another refugee among hoards of others. Wait a few months at least.
I personally like being in a less dense population area, north or south. You can learn to adjust and grow your own food in any area so that it isn't any problem, but too many people is a real problem.
I personally like being in a less dense population area, north or south. You can learn to adjust and grow your own food in any area so that it isn't any problem, but too many people is a real problem.
This is a reoccuring question, but it is vitally important so here goes.
I considered precipitation and growing season to be more important than winter induced isolation. I find that it is easy to locate a rural area with a very low population in the "Mid Southern Hills" areas from Missouri to Tennessee. Some thing with 35 to 40 inches of rain and at least 160 day frost free growing season.
While growing crops in the Northern part of the US and southern Canada is possible with carefully selected varieties and timing, I prefer more choices and leaway for an unstable climate.
I don't know if the Garden State still lives up to it's Monicer, like a lot of western folks I think of New Jersey and New York as one and the same. Sorry, but I would consider moving about two states south and four states west.
I considered precipitation and growing season to be more important than winter induced isolation. I find that it is easy to locate a rural area with a very low population in the "Mid Southern Hills" areas from Missouri to Tennessee. Some thing with 35 to 40 inches of rain and at least 160 day frost free growing season.
While growing crops in the Northern part of the US and southern Canada is possible with carefully selected varieties and timing, I prefer more choices and leaway for an unstable climate.
I don't know if the Garden State still lives up to it's Monicer, like a lot of western folks I think of New Jersey and New York as one and the same. Sorry, but I would consider moving about two states south and four states west.
1. The people of the south are not going to take kindly to the invasion. The southern US is comprised almost exclusivly of private land with a tradition of defending it. You must go through West VA, KY, TN and NC to get to the warm spots. You'll never make it. Your herloom seeds with be planted in someone elses garden.
2. Those not aclimitized to the south will die off in the humid summers. Honestly, the summers here kill people.
3. Without public service disease control there will be a wave of summer plagues. Milaria will resurface, yellow fever, colera and typhoid. All were prevelant in the south until the mid 1900s. During the colonial/early statehood period the plantation owners expected a 50% death rate among new immigrant workers. In my old neighborhood EVERY misquito and bird tested was positive for West Nile.
4. In spite of common myth it does get cold in the south. People freeze to death every year in GA, AL and MS. It snows there too.
Yea the northern winters are harsh, but they kill off the bugs and disease. People have lived in the northern climes for 40,000 years, why is survival impossible now?
New Jersey is not the south, unless you live in Maine.
2. Those not aclimitized to the south will die off in the humid summers. Honestly, the summers here kill people.
3. Without public service disease control there will be a wave of summer plagues. Milaria will resurface, yellow fever, colera and typhoid. All were prevelant in the south until the mid 1900s. During the colonial/early statehood period the plantation owners expected a 50% death rate among new immigrant workers. In my old neighborhood EVERY misquito and bird tested was positive for West Nile.
4. In spite of common myth it does get cold in the south. People freeze to death every year in GA, AL and MS. It snows there too.
Yea the northern winters are harsh, but they kill off the bugs and disease. People have lived in the northern climes for 40,000 years, why is survival impossible now?
New Jersey is not the south, unless you live in Maine.
Quoted so the OP can read it again.
Unless you know someone in the 'south', this will end up being a death march. "Southern Hospitality" means that the locals are nice to your face when you are spending money, but carpetbaggers are still a bad memory in the south.
So how does someone from Michigan know this?
I travel all over the country in my job, and some of my previous jobs required me to size up the area as far as potential hostility. While some of the nicest people I've met are in the south, I have no misconception that the attitude will be the same in a survival scenario.
Walk into some areas of Kentucky unannounced and you will never be seen again....
Unless you know someone in the 'south', this will end up being a death march. "Southern Hospitality" means that the locals are nice to your face when you are spending money, but carpetbaggers are still a bad memory in the south.
So how does someone from Michigan know this?
I travel all over the country in my job, and some of my previous jobs required me to size up the area as far as potential hostility. While some of the nicest people I've met are in the south, I have no misconception that the attitude will be the same in a survival scenario.
Walk into some areas of Kentucky unannounced and you will never be seen again....
Whatever you do stay out of the south we are all crazy drunk rednecks. We eat possums too the roadkilled ones are the best
The south is much more diverse than most people would ever imagine. Chapel Hill NC is a meca for the extreme liberals while rural areas look more like another world all together.
The south is much more diverse than most people would ever imagine. Chapel Hill NC is a meca for the extreme liberals while rural areas look more like another world all together.
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I live in North Mississippi... have a house in the city for sale, and a small place in the country where I grew up on 105 acres. Within a few miles I have thousands of acres of national forest land. Since everyone hunts down here, deer will be gone quickly. My brother-in-law has been a professional trapper for 12 years, and we will be leaning on that. My family has grown a small crop for years to put home-grown vegetables on the table, and have two deep-freezers full of them. If we loose power long term, we will loose that. If people come in droves, we will have 24 hour guards on the fields/property. And don't think having a nice M4 will save you... most of us have bolt-action deer rifles that will tap you from hiding at 400 yards, our wives and children can shoot as well, and if you get closer you will find that familiar sound of 7.62 in the air. We reload, and at any given time we keep a nice amount of ammo available. You want to work and earn your keep? Approach during the day, announce your intentions, and we will let you know what we can do to help. Try to steal or hurt our families, become fertilizer for our vegetables or food for our catfish pond! :taped:
I live in North Mississippi... have a house in the city for sale, and a small place in the country where I grew up on 105 acres. Within a few miles I have thousands of acres of national forest land. Since everyone hunts down here, deer will be gone quickly. My brother-in-law has been a professional trapper for 12 years, and we will be leaning on that. My family has grown a small crop for years to put home-grown vegetables on the table, and have two deep-freezers full of them. If we loose power long term, we will loose that. If people come in droves, we will have 24 hour guards on the fields/property. And don't think having a nice M4 will save you... most of us have bolt-action deer rifles that will tap you from hiding at 400 yards, our wives and children can shoot as well, and if you get closer you will find that familiar sound of 7.62 in the air. We reload, and at any given time we keep a nice amount of ammo available. You want to work and earn your keep? Approach during the day, announce your intentions, and we will let you know what we can do to help. Try to steal or hurt our families, become fertilizer for our vegetables or food for our catfish pond! :taped:
Well by the time we're in that situation, you might not be able to just cross the border into the Republic of Texas
To the people who plan on going somewhere when the SHTF--
What happens when you get to where your going and someone is already there and doesn't want to give it up? Unless you have a bunker deeply hidden in the deep dark woods any good defensible positions will be taken within the first few hours of a situation. I plan on staying on the spot I already occupy.
What happens when you get to where your going and someone is already there and doesn't want to give it up? Unless you have a bunker deeply hidden in the deep dark woods any good defensible positions will be taken within the first few hours of a situation. I plan on staying on the spot I already occupy.
The secret to a successful bugout IMHO, is reading the signs of the situation, whether natural disaster, public unrest, zombie attack- and GTFO before TSHTF.
I won't be running anywhere, it would be a 3+ hour drive to safety in the best conditions.
I won't be running anywhere, it would be a 3+ hour drive to safety in the best conditions.
Depending on the area of New Joisee you live in and how wealthy your house and cars look, you should probably stay put. Now, if you have a BOL that you can get to and you can get their before TSHTF, then you are probably good.
However, I think you are going to pass through several major cities before you get out of the heavily populated East coast, and by the time you pass the second city, the sheep will have $h!t their pants and be blocking all usable roads out. Then you get to fight the hordes. :zombie:zombie:zombie:whip:
I am starting to think that buying a four-wheeler or dirt bike is a pretty good investment, just in case the highways are clogged and I absolutely have to leave. Now where did I put that guys phone number.
Stay frosty my friends
However, I think you are going to pass through several major cities before you get out of the heavily populated East coast, and by the time you pass the second city, the sheep will have $h!t their pants and be blocking all usable roads out. Then you get to fight the hordes. :zombie:zombie:zombie:whip:
I am starting to think that buying a four-wheeler or dirt bike is a pretty good investment, just in case the highways are clogged and I absolutely have to leave. Now where did I put that guys phone number.
Stay frosty my friends
In a SHTF scenario, I think those who are "going places" are going to be in more trouble than those who stay where they are. I am in the sunny south and going to hunker down here. If I was going anywhere, it would against the tide and headed in a northerly direction.
People will be your worst enemy...only logical to want to be where most people don't want to be. Death Valley might be good if you could survive somehow.
People will be your worst enemy...only logical to want to be where most people don't want to be. Death Valley might be good if you could survive somehow.
Noone's mentioned, IMO, it depends what and where the SHTF is. IF a small nuclear device has been set off in D.C. and you're in NY, there won't be any going South. You'll wanna get away from that fallout asap, meaning folks North of it will go North(or West), folks West will go more West and folks South will go more South. IF the South is wiped out by Hurricane and flood, there won't be a South to go to. Same if a device is set off in NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, Denver, Las Vegas or L.A.
Obviously if there's any kind of significant, nation-wide event, you probably aren't going to be traveling across the country unless forced out. In which case you should probably find some place closer. Traveling across the U.S. in the event of a disaster is the wrong way to go. The only real viable option for something like that is to already be living there.
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