Wait. So the US and Britain says that Snowden compromised identities, but we haven't seen said leaked information?

He didn't leak everything, and the Guardian et al have been careful NOT to compromise identities/life.

I call bull biscuit.

 

Surely you don't mean to impugn the administration by implying they might be less than truthful? /sarcasm

 

I think I've said this before here once.

When they capture Snowden they should put him up on a Washington podium, hang the Congressional Freedom Medal on him, take him off the podium and have him shot on the spot, and then bury him in Arlington the next day.

He wanted to be a martyr for society. So let him be one.

Perhaps his original intentions were virtuous, but he crossed the line.

 

What Edward Snowden did was criminally wrong but morally right the decision he made was similar to the one our founding fathers made when it became obvious that the English King and parliament had no intention of honoring nor obeying the Magna Charter after the royalist lost the English civil war in the 1640-50's, Both D'S and R'S are full of traitors from top to bottom and neither have any intention of abiding by nor honoring the Constitution only on growing their own power and by unjust laws,regulations and eventually use of force to make serfs or slaves out of us all. Furthermore blowing the whistle from here would only get him dead or wrongfully imprisoned for daring to stand up and expose tptb for the tyrannical megalomaniacs they really are!

And you betcha Putin is using that information to blackmail all our politicians, if tptb both d's & r's would have just followed the Constitution none of this would have happened:thumb:

 

How did they manage to do that when Snowden didn't take any of it with him?

 

I don't know if Snowden sold us down the river or not, BUT I do know that this administration lies and lies and lies about lying. So, barring any real incontrovertible evidence I have to go with what I know. bammy is a liar and cannot be trusted.

 

I would be more outraged if our government had clean hands. The pot and the kettle are trying to out-accuse each other of being black.

 

This is a simple smear mean to support the Federal Intelligence establishment, but demonizing whistleblowers.

Nice try though.

 

Until I see people going to jail or prison for what they were doing I can find no fault in what he did. If they would not of been subverting the Constitution he would not of done anything.

 

NWO lovers

Everywhere i've been on this site we get assaulted by Government, MSM, and Central bank appologists. On a prepper site that seems like an oxymoron.

Did i mention " I love Big Brother". just in case barry is watching.

 

Everywhere i've been on this site we get assaulted by Government, MSM, and Central bank appologists. On a prepper site that seems like an oxymoron.

Did i mention " I love Big Brother". just in case barry is watching.

There are no government apologists in this thread that I know of.

 

Snowden is a hero of the republic!
He in fact is on the level of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

In fact he should be President of the USA.
He has done a great service to the people of this country.

His critics and detractors are wonks and mindless knucke-dragging shills for tyranny and statism.

 

As a registered democrat and left winger, I hope the guy hangs and roasts in heck (well, I gotta be PC...).
I hate when I hear about how he's been a hero by exposing the NSA phone tap stuff. Though I agree that it was a good thing to learn of and ultimately halt those transgressions, since when do the ends justify the means? And what of all of the other state secrets he revealed that have crushed our military and intelligence capabilities, caused the death of field operatives and ended the careers of many good people?
I'm uniformly against the death penalty. Except for him.
B

 

And what of all of the other state secrets he revealed that have crushed our military and intelligence capabilities, caused the death of field operatives and ended the careers of many good people?

Not to beat a dead horse, but what secrets were those? I've not seen any evidence of them, only the accusation.

But then, as a conservative, I don't see turning on the govt as treason when that govt has itself become the enemy of the very People from whom it is supposed to derive its authority.

 

This spying isn't exactly an American govt. thing,it involves 4 other countries as well and they're all spying on us,get a grip on your patriotism as a human,this effects more than 320 odd million pl.

I'm freaking glad he did what he did and any other bugger that follows.The more TPTB are exposed the better.The only thing better would be to see them hanging,couldn't be more than 500 odd of 'em,sure would make the rest of humanity a bit happier....like 6Billion more.

 

As a Brit, I'm a bit disgusted that the guy put our spies at risk because he wanted to have his ego stroked a bit. It's fine giving up secrets if you want to serve the time in jail. It's fine giving up pattents etc, but you don't give up people in far off countries and put their lives at risk.

As far as I know the death penalty still stands in the UK for Treason, thus send him over here and we'll deal with the piece of filth.

The thing is if our spies have been taken, then they sometimes do an exchange, now think of all the nasty people we've got here that we will be forced to return just because of some idiot trying to get his name in the paper.

Oh we have a few Snowdens here, who appear on TV as well as Lord Snowden, I hope they aren't related at all.

PS We'll have to send Bond after him!

 

Regardless of Snowden's actions, every government action he leaked was a violation of the Constitution in one way, shape or form. The entire incident, including Snowden's leaks could have been avoided by simply abiding by the Constitution. That the government didn't is their own fault.

 

This coupled with the news that all federal employees information has been hacked for quite some time should make the public nervous.

Why is the public not making the government accountable for allowing someone like Snowden to take the information in the first place. Why are we not making them accountable for allowing the identities of all federal workers to be exploited?

I guess if we focus our attention and blame on Snowden we can ovoid that scary proposition of turning our Blaim on the incompetent power hungry government officials running our intelligence community.

 

I admire his courage and conviction and think it's really too bad that we don't have more like him willing to take on the machine.

I think we have seen what happen to whistle blowers that stay here in the states. The usually end up have to resign or get fired or moved to a crappy location or position in obscurity to finish out there careers while the ones they blew the whistle on get a bonus and a promotion or get to retire quietly with there tax payer benefits all still intact,the list is endless.

To my knowledge the only info Snowden has leaked is the NSA spying on US citizens and foreign officials and if any database on American and British spies are available I'm pretty sure Russian and China had those a long time before Snowden came along.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/27-edw...otes-about-u-s-government-spying-that-should-send-a-chill-up-your-spine/5338714

 

So now all the calls for his head on a stick are justified, when you do something no matter if you call it "whistleblowing" or not there are unintended consequences that you set in place.

So by his actions, which he acknowledges, his flight from justice, asylum in Russia, and now the decryption of files that will seriously damage our intelligence community and endanger operatives worldwide, he needs to face treason and espionage charges.

He delivered the goods into the hands of our enemies.

 

He reported the violations of our constitution, he didn't commit them.
But, yeah, he could have gone the 'standard' route and been jailed for exposing the nefarious acts of the government.

'War on Whistleblowers' Film Highlights Dangers of Crackdown

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/war-on-whistleblowers-film-highlights-dangers-of-crackdown-20130417

 

It's funny, I read the news from every mainstream outlet each day (I check the hot sheets too, MIB ). I have never seen a single article that said someone has died from Snowden's information, zero. Not one government apologist has ever once shown me any news on people dying from this yet they continue to spout off as if it were gospel. I wish more people had woken up, sadly, they are is blinded as ever. The man may have given up secrets, we will never know. What I do know, is it has changed the world around us and started something that will only end up moving in a positive direction for the majority of people. Spying needs to come to an end. That is some pathetic behavior that only criminals endorse. Humanity has more pressing issues than making more fake paper and digital currency off of the next big gadget craze for stupid people. If even half of that effort went to useful things we likely be colonizing the moon already. We could be looking at mining other planets. Any number of things that could potentially change everything for our race. Instead we sit around peering through the cracks of whatever locked doors our neighbors have and try to scheme ways to cheat them out of what they are doing. It is the most pathetic thing, the human race.

 

People don't seem to understand that Snowden did good and bad things simultaneously.

On the one hand he exposed unconstitutional actions by our government.
On the other, he ripped off a bunch of classified data that he had no right to, and has no protection as a whistle blower.

It's basically like performing lifesaving CPR on a car accident victim and then mugging them.

 

SOUNDS LIKE MORE NSA, CIA, DISINFORMATION BULLSHXT TO ME! OH ! WHERE ARE ALL THE KILLED AND CAPTURED SPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR DON'T THINK RUSSIA AND CHINA WOULD PUBLICIZE THAT, FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE A BUFFOON RUNNING THE MAIN HOUSE, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO CLASSIFIED MATERIAL WITHOUT CLEARANCES OR EVER HAVE BEEN VETTED. VALRIE JARRETT AND AL SHARPTOUGH TOP ADVISERS GET REAL AND WAKEUP

 

 

Frontline did an excellent story on the NSA and Snowden several years ago. I tried to find the link by PBS must have taken it down.

Anyway, NSA insiders running Project Thin thread were going to take the NSA activities public. Thin thinthread was a precursor for spying programs to come. These were full time NSA employees and not contractors. The government suspected something came down hard on them. Despite not ever going to trial, they were still out gobs of money.

Snowden was very much aware of what happened to the Thin thread team. So he wasn't going to repeat the same mistake.

That being said, Snowden isn't the only leaker. The Times has already confirmed the existence of one or more additional NSA informers.

So if Snowden hadn't have stepped forward, it would have been someone. There are others inside the government who aren't afraid to blow the whistle to the public, where it won't be swept under the rug.

I also don't agree with assertions that he's an egotist. He rarely gives interviews. But the story is so sensationalist that those excerpts are parroted time and again to the point that it seems like he's always front and center. He's wanted the focus to always be on the NSA and it's spying. He's keenly aware at attempts to make the story about him detracts from that so lives a low profile life.

 

If he did turn over the identity of our intelligence employees, he should be hanged. But I don't believe it just because the government says it's so.

Without seeing evidence of that, I'll agree to send Snowden to prison when we send everyone who he's outed for violating the rights of Americans.

 

Can't say if we can be sure this story is true, but ask me if I care that US federales and their assorted snitches and assassins are spied on.....the feds sure cry when their own secrets and misdeeds are revealed, but those very same feds have absolutely NO respect for US citizens privacy.

Who should be imprisoned or hanged? The NSA snoops, or the man who revealed their massive and unconstitutional surveillance program?

 

Am I the only person who questions why Snowden/the NSA had highly-classified info on UK intelligence agents to be leaked in the first place...?

Even if Snowden managed to sneak off with a whole bunch of documents & hand them over to Russia & China in exchange for asylum, I don't quite see how British MI6 agents' info & mission stuff got into the works (to the point where we've had to move agents).

 

That's what they are supposed to do. Spy. On other countries...not on U.S. citizens.

 

Why is it that everyone blames Obama for the spying and Constitutional violations of American citizens. It's was under the Bush Regime that the Patriot Act was passed. Obama inherited these program and just kept them going. The illegal wiretaps and spying on citizens started when Keith Alexander was appointed to the NSA by Bush. And Obama kept him in place when he took office. It wasn't until 2014 that he left that post.

I'm not a fan of Obama, but you can't put all the blame for this on him.

 

When he elected to continue the pogroms, they became his responsibility. Does bush also deserve scorn and derision for initiating them? Absolutely, BUT that does not change the fact that dear leader now owns them.

 

I want to know what the real truth is here?????
Who is lying when we Know that both sides lie.
IMO the Real Question is What is the LIE?
Did Snowden Leak the info. OR did the U.S. and U.K.
LOSE the info??
Did Snowden LEAK the info. or is this a cover for a HACK?
And lets not forget the original question of Snowden;
How was he able to get away with the info. in the first place?
How old is that info now, 1 year-2 years-3years, how much time
has there been to change procedures, personal ? When sensitive
info is lost isn't that the first thing that is done?

I have no love for what he did but there is more to it than just saying
he is guilty, hang him, some of that info we did need to know! Is he guilty
of these current charges, he could be but so could the US/UK.