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SHTF Dirt Bike - Which One?

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#1 ·
I have never owned, or ridden a dirt bike. I know nothing about them.

As I "prep" for hard times, it occurs to me that I should have a good, nimble, high MPG dirt bike around in case I will need to run an errand and my truck is either down, too big for the task, or lacking the fuel.

Do I just go with some (Honda/Kawasaki/Yamaha, etc.) something-or-other, or should I look a KTM or the more serious bikes like the Husqvarna or ???

I am NOT looking to jump school buses or ride wheelies through the trees. I just want something that does not require pavement, although I would also ride it on the streets whenever possible. Something that can run across a grass field or through a corn field if necessary, and handle rough off-road terrain. Something I can pick up if it tips over. Something that is reliable and does not require me to send to money to Hadji in Bangladesh for parts.

I don't *think* I want a 2-stroke machine. It would be too noisy for one thing. Also, I do need some basic features like lights, electric start, etc.

I can handle a Honda Goldwing just fine. My legs are long enough. I really know absolutely nothing about these bikes. Any help is appreciated!

Oh, and I have a Honda Credit Card with $11,000.00 of open credit, although I am thinking in the range of $3K - ish? Is that too low? Too high? I am 6'1" and 275 lb.
 
#2 ·
KLR is the classic. Parts abound, and you can find them used in great shape for about $2k

I've got a XR650L
Also a good choice.
(I picked it up for $1,100 and a $50 .22 rifle.)

You need to read here:

http://advrider.com/forums/


I'm 6' 200-210 and they are fine for me.

Eta:

You described (street legal) and I listed enduros.... Road or street.

How much of which varries depending on tire selection etc...
 
#28 ·
KLR is the classic. Parts abound, and you can find them used in great shape for about $2k

I've got a XR650L
Also a good choice.
(I picked it up for $1,100 and a $50 .22 rifle.)

You need to read here:

http://advrider.com/forums/...
Yup, what he said. :thumb: The KLR and the XR650L are widely considered the Mac-Daddies. I got a low-miles XR on Craigslist a few years ago, and with the help of You-tube tutorials, have done almost all of the maintenance and upgrades myself (and I am THE most un-mechanically inclined person on the planet). I still check CL now and then for another deal on one of these.
 
#4 ·
I have been considering buying a few Enduros for the exact same reason as you.

If gas continues to get insanely expensive I may just use one for my commute to work and it would have some great capabilities post SHTF.

But like you I haven't owned a bike in over 20 years and so much has changed I don't know where to begin?? :confused:

Thanks for asking the question, I will be watching to see what advice you get.

Be Prepared, :)
OBW
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#7 ·
Have you looked at the dualsport Yamaha TW200? It has ridiculously oversized tires, only a 200cc power plant, and is not best suited for long highway trips. However, it is very basic, ie. it still uses carburetion (easy maintenance/repairs) and gets an estimated 78mpg. Although I do not have one, I have wanted one for years, and have extensively read about them. They seem to be unstoppable, and are well suited for off the road riding.

You might want to visit the TW200 forum for more insight. MSRP is around $4600
 
#12 ·
I have a KTM 640 LC4 and I'm 6'3", 235lb.
It is a one cylinder and noisy.
I would like to ask about your mechanical skills- because there is always something to tighten, re-adjust with a KTM.
Depending on your tire choice the ride is mor or less comfortable. when you find out that you can take a short cut on your way - then the fun starts.

My introduction into Enduro bikes started in bavaria.
A crazy biker crossed the road-by flying with his KTM over it and continuing heading into the hills. In the next town I spoke with him and a couple of months later I bougt my first Endurobike.
 
#13 ·
Thanks guys for reminding me about the TW200 !

Rokon, too slow for everyday transport,,

If you want to ride mostly on pavement , but be able to go anywhere a person could walk (not climb,, jump or hop,,, walk ) and money is an object,, and easy maintenance,,consider the older 1970s early '80s Yamaha SR350 and SR500 singles Road bikes with off road clearance, or The Honda 250 0r 350 XL from that era, simple singles , about <300 # ... good clearance and torque,, If you can find one,, they should be EMP resistant too. no Fuel injection, no computers,, point ignition (unless someone up graded it to CD ,,, and kick start

you are describing I would say what we used to call an Enduro style ,, not a "Dirt Bike"

If i had my druthers,, and more money, I would be getting a Ural sidecar rig with the extra driven live axle on the sidecar,, go anywhere and haul cargo or other people,, The Russians used them in WWII in their blustery blizzardy battles..
Germans used a similar rig in the Sahara desert..

Urals are still made,, 750 cc,, about 45 mpg, top speed 65 , 70 down hill.. a little slow for the Interstate,, about $14000 new,, $9000 used
 
#20 ·
Personally I choose an old Honda two stroke CR. Uber reliable, very fast and common. (parts and very basic)
 
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#21 ·
The finest off road bike ever made was the Honda CT90 or CT110 motorcycle. They have a two speed transmission- for on road and off road. Top speed for someone your size? Perhaps 50MPH. It's quiet. Parts are easy to find and relatively inexpensive. The motorcycle itself is relatively expensive for it's size- they do hold their value. I wouldn't suggest getting one older than 1984 due to its ignition requirements.

If you are planning for staying pretty much onroad only? Once again for the price Honda has made the best: http://cx500forum.com/ in this case both the parts AND the bikes are inexpensive. The CX500 in spite of being 33 or so years old will consistently beat any Harley right off the line- and will eat most Ducati 883's for lunch.

See this video on Youtube where I back up these boasts with the new 2012 land speed record for a push rod engine of 500 CC displacement:
 
#37 ·
The CX500 in spite of being 33 or so years old will consistently beat any Harley right off the line- and will eat most Ducati 883's for lunch.
You mean 888?? Hardly, but the argument can be made given the right/wrong riders and the right/wrong track.
CX500 parts aren't just laying around for spares either... LOL

As mentioned the KLR diesel would be the only good bet. But good luck finding one.

What most people fail to consider is motorcycles are not actually that economically effective. Sure they can get good gas mileage, but when you factor in high wear parts such as tires, chains and sprockets they loose a lot of appeal. Ask yourself: In a post SHTF world, are you going to be able to find a supply of chains and sprockets? Enduro tires generally do not last long in comparison to automotive tires. Knobbies even less. Without a supply of those items you won't get much long term traveling done.

OK, so lets say a set of tires, chain and sprockets lasts long enough to get you by, and maybe you have some spares. FUEL supply is next, that is where the diesel will be a must. It will be hard enough to find that bike, motor spares even harder.
 
#23 ·
A couple of things here...

First is, 2 stroke or 4 stroke, both are going to make noise. The 2 stroke will be higher pitched while the 4 stroke will be a deeper lower pitch. So avoiding sound ain't really going to happen with a dirt bike.

Second thing to consider, 2 strokes are much simpler to work on, simply because they are 2 stroke, so less to them mechanically. Parts are cheaper so you can afford to amass things like gaskets, rings and bearings, etc. Things that should be stockpiled for serious prepping. In a post SHTF situation, you aren't just going to go into town and get parts. Period. Not if you're bugged out already.

Third and most important thing is get something older. This should apply to any bug out vehicle. Anything modern with an electronic ignition has the potential to be rendered useless via EMP. Be it nukes, stop sticks or various other vehicle stopping do dads that the government has at their disposal. The old stuff that relies on points, condensers, etc will be much like the Migs or tube amps, and won't be effected by EMP.

My 2¢
 
#24 ·
Crf450R, it doesn't have a kickstand, your gotta lean it up against a tree. You cant be a fat@ss, its kick start only. You'll get eaten by a zombie before you even get it started, But youll never have to rely on a dead battery. It runs through 3 foot of mud, miles of sand, road riding that makes everyone envious and i can IT IS LIGHT. Im 140lbs and i ride it like a cr125. Always gets me where i want to go. For outdoor power sports i always choose Honda! CRF450R. 55HP under a 250lb bike, wicked. -Jon
 
#25 ·
KTM, fine bike. I've got the 525 exc enduro with the racing four stroke, street legal (barely) and off-road. Of the major enduro machines this is among the best for serious off road capabilities. The other's, XR, XRL CRF, husqvarna, klr, husaberg, Suzuki, Yamaha etc all serve well. The Honda XR is probably the closest in capabilities to the ktm as is the CRF, husky and husa. The weight on the XR is considerable as is the weight on the KLr. My buddy, a lifelong XR owner, 30+ years, had major bike envy when we road together. He bought a KTM 530 (latest version of my model) and his XR 650 and 600 are barely ridden anymore!
Do your research and find the bike that fits you best. I'm kinda partial to my KTM, 7 years and counting.
 
#27 ·
The XR650 has more than proven itself to very reliable. I would go for the 4 stroke just for the fact that you won't have to deal with the mixing of the fuel. Finding fuel might be hard enough and then have to get two stroke oil. The honda has parts everywhere and has a tons of power but in a smooth arc ( unlike the two strokes) which is good for any level of experience rider.