[disidoro]

What is your point?

I'm beginning to wonder? Look what has happened to our schools. In their attempt to make everyone the same, and protect everyone from every eventuality, schools are now incapable of teaching basic education.

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if the vast majority of women are capable of making objective decisions because they can't take their emotions out of the question.

I would happily give up my right to vote if it would put some sanity back into politics. Seriously, we're probably going to end up with Hillary for our next pres. If that's not insanity, then I don't know what is.

I know most, not all, women on this board are the exception, and not the rule. So no need for most of you to defend yourselves. I already know most of you, not all, are critical thinkers with a lot of wisdom .

Hope that helps ease the flaming some!

Schools are not run exclusively by females, so what is your point? In fact, women as superintendents make up around a quarter of the total and perhaps half of principals are female.
Women hold less than 20% of the seats in Congress.
Gender has nothing at all to do with our current problems.

 

[disidoro]

Stop making crap up.

I know that but women control the schools and that is where our future is. It's time for them to start using their brains and also lose this despicable victim mentality that so many liberal women have. Men have now become the victims of feminisation and they 're shoving that off on our male children.
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I'm speaking in generalities. I know there are smrt competent women out there. But not most I talk to.

I understand that on the internet everybody is a genius but you are outright lying about who controls the schools. Why don't you fact check? Women do not control the schools at all. if you believe they do, in what way and how is this influence brought about?

 

[disidoro]

Not quite

She is stating her opinion, just as you are. There is no reason, in an opinion thread, to ever call anyone a liar simply because you have a different opinion.

I happen to agree with her. When people aren't screeching about who is sitting in which chair in education management, you can look at the fact that the purpose of our schools is our children's education, not a flow chart of management. The biggest majority of the teachers are still women and it has been a predominately female field for decades in the U.S.

The teachers are who interact with and pass the knowledge on to the next generation of students. Religion has been smacked down and out of the schools but no one stops the teachers if they are passing on their beliefs on their off the wall pet social projects. One teacher in the 8th grade can pass, in the course of a school year, their personal opinions regardless of how right or wrong they are to a minimum of 300 students. If their pet project is handwashing that is wonderful, if their pet project is communism that is not wonderful. So, the teachers control most of the education, overt and covert, in our schools, therefore control the schools.

She said that schools are run by females. This is a fact based statement, factually incorrect though. School administration is male oriented and has been. The agenda is driven from above, schools are not bottom up institutions.
You can have your opinions but not your facts. that is all I am saying.
Saying our schools are being feminized is an opinion.

 

[disidoro]

read what i wrote

Google is most definitely NOT your friend, but it does provide useful information.

https://www.google.com/#q=are+there+more+women+teachers+than+men

There are plenty of articles indicating that Mogli is correct that teaching is a female dominated field.

then feel free to discuss this with me. Did I discuss teachers or did I discuss superintendents? I'm not trying to be a **** but I get so sick of people pretending to read posts.

 

[disidoro]

Just to throw this out there, when we talk about having only property owners vote, that would disqualify a number of SB folks. When we discuss eliminating the female vote, it also eliminates a number of SB folks. When we discuss eliminating the vote of those who receive government assistance of any form, it would eliminate a number of SB folks. I believe it's called throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

 

[disidoro]

Curriculum

Let me ask you something, disidoro. When you were in school, did you interact directly with the superintendent? Did HE teach you anything at all? Even if the board/superintendent is responsible for choosing the curriculum, it is the teachers who decide what to stress and what slant to put on things.

Now maybe you are right and I completely misunderstood what Mogli was saying. Perhaps she was solely referring to that small segment in the education field who hold the role of superintendent in a school district. It is possible, but that wasn't the sense I got from her posts at all. Perhaps she will come along to clear that up for us. :thumb:

Is not and has not been left to teachers for years, if ever. Common Core and the likes are top down instruments. Teachers are not nearly as relevant as they used to be. You must be many years removed from what public education is. Schools are not indoctrination centers, they teach to testing standards and nothing more, there isn't time. I still have 2 in the system and I say BS to anyone who says (female) teachers are feminizing our kids. Our kids are getting shafted but not by teachers. Teachers didn't remove PE, they didn't decide what Lunch is or isn't, they didn't cut sports programs.
Now I feel sick because I feel like I am defending the teaching profession.

 

[disidoro]

I am

I am a few years removed from public education. I did not like what I was seeing in public schools, so I pulled my kids out and sent them to a private school that teaches critical thinking skills and teaches values I believe in.

We will have to agree to disagree on the "indoctrination centers" theory. I do believe public schools are indoctrinating our children. I can't imagine what else could explain a worksheet consisting of editing sentences such as “(The president) makes sure the laws of the country are fair,” “The wants of an individual are less important than the well-being of the nation” and “the commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.” Are you paying any attention to what your children are learning in school?

Very engaged with my children's school. I exchange emails daily with teachers. I'd like you to post those worksheets if you could. I've never seen my kids with anything like that.

 

[disidoro]

Common Core

Sure. The link to the full worksheet is in this article. Apologies for the Fox link, but it came up first. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/10/common-core-lessons-blasted-for-sneaking-politics-into-elementary-classrooms/

Here are some more fine examples of Common Core.

http://twitchy.com/2013/11/22/you-h...ve-to-see-these-unintelligible-common-core-assignments-posted-by-angry-parents/

I only have one child left in school. She's a sophomore. She has been in private school since 7th grade. Before that, she was coming home with those types of worksheets. I cannot begin to tell you the hours invested in trying to figure out exactly what they were asking my child to do. Consultation with her teachers resulted in my being told that my daughter should know what to do because she was told in class.

Exactly...Common Core. Political policy driven by administrations at state and federal levels. Common Core is not local, I don't know where this misguided belief comes from. You made my point by posting Common Core examples.

 

[disidoro]

I don't think you are disgusting or evil Mogli but certainly lacking in your ability to think critically. I can't fathom your thought process on this. You seem to blame the decline of our culture on women. If you could think this through and look at our culture since the founding of our country, even before our revolution, you would see that men have also pulled the strings and made the decisions. This is irrefutable.
If we want to assign blame on a specific gender( which is as stupid as it gets) how can it not all lie with men? How do we not know that our society would be stronger if women had greater influence?

 

[disidoro]

Mogli

I actually got rid of most of your post because it's gibberish. I'll address it point by point in a little while. But first, please read below!



I think since obviously, neither of you have bothered to read the thread and my posts in particular, I'd help you out so you can speak from a position of knowledge. Then we can have an objective discussion.

Disidoro, I'm surprised at you. You usually have a much better thought out argument. I think your slipping.

If you want to discuss a real topic, you need to stop this nonsensical argument that women are to blame for the pussification of society.

There is no basis for your premise.

Your OP doesn't create space for discussion.

It isn't a real topic that warrants real discussion.

Please don't tell me you are foolish enough to believe, like the last poster, that Obama takes his orders from the women around him. You know damn well it's the MIC that pulls the strings (ain't no women allowed in that club).

I think a good start would be for you to apologize for being an administration stooge. LOL
"Don't look at the BS the UN is pulling, women are killing our society"
"Don't discuss our endless wars, women are the real problem"
"Forget about the virtual martial law in this country, women are pussifing our kids."
"Teachers(women) have no say in what our school not teach but it's them ruining our kids, not the administration (men) at the state and federal levels."
Just kidding, I know you never said these things but hopefully it shows how foolish the OP point is.

There are too many lazy fathers out there who don't throw a ball to their kids, who don't take kids hunting, who don't tell their kids to get off the video games, for me to say it's all the moms doing this crap.

If you want a real discussion, start with a real premise: Parents aren't parenting and they are allowing their rights to be eroded without resistance. Creating a (more) ignorant society.

And don't get me started about these fat lazy kids with fat lazy parents...Plural

Don't bother with posting any more expansion of your points, I'm only going to address your original post that you held dearly to until you starting hedging. It isn't all on women (who only gained the right to vote in 1920).

 

[disidoro]

"This is a 'real' topic. I didn't say women were to blame for the pussification. I actually put more of that blame on men.... like you!"

No Mogli, You did not.

 

[disidoro]

Who should vote? What are the metrics we should use when determining eligibility?

 

[disidoro]

Interesting

Nobody. Nobody can be entrusted with the power to rule and any government will be a tyrant against someone.

I'm not a fan of anarchy but abolishing government is an interesting thought.

 

[disidoro]

Throwing the entire gender under the bus is amazing. I read some of these posts and I thank god people with this though process are marginalized. Some women certainly abuse the system and some vote poorly but not as many as some here think. Stereotyping won't help change hearts and minds.

For the last time, it isn't women as a voting block who put us in this position.

As an aside, 44% of women who voted in 2012 voted for Romney. To get rid of the 54% of women who voted Obama, you would sell out the other 44%. What of the moron men? Both those who voted for Obama and those that sit home on election day? More women now vote than men. More women give a damn than men.

 

[disidoro]

Ok

Why not? Do you conflate anarchy with something like Somalia? Somalia isn't anarchy. Somalia has a government of sorts. Warlords use violence and the threat of violence to extract tribute from people. There's a difference between a Third World illiterate society and a First World educated one. We can do better than warlords. All we really need to do is farm out things like defense and the courts to the free market.

Give me an example of a culture thriving under lack of government or working under anarchism.
How would that work with 320 million people of differing beliefs?

 

[disidoro]

And yet I can't find answers on what this "Taker" is. A DAV? A disabled person in general? A retired person on SS? Anyone who works for public institutions? A person on welfare?
Which citizens should be disqualified from having a say in how their country is run?

 

[disidoro]

What would you have these women do?

I agree and this is no slight against women. But our society was much stronger, as a whole, when women were manning the ships of their homes, families, and communities. Now often, all their best energy is used in pursuit of money and edification of their employers.

There's no way one can compare a minimum wage earner, who has the responsibility of 6ish children, not of her/his own making, to a full time mother and/or father.

When they are forced into the workforce, are forced to have others take care of their children because men have stopped being men? I doubt your premise that the emotions of women are the reason for the decline of society. I certainly feel that the immature, lazy uneducated excuse of modern man is the primary reason for the drift of society.

 

[disidoro]

How disappointing.

Why are they forced into the workplace?

I would not have them do anything. I am merely pointing out how I see it. At a minimum, they should be responsible for their own actions. If they put themselves into a position where they have to work, then they should pay for that and not me.

If women were to take more time evaluating their potential mates, maybe they wouldn't need to work. Or maybe they would decide the husband didn't need to work. Maybe they would decide they don't need that 2nd car.

But that's the big lie we're fed by propaganda. We need 2 incomes. We need 2 cars, the big house, the fancy meals, eating out, the hair, nails, clothes, ad infinitum. That's really the bottom line is that we've been propagandized into consumerism. That's what drives the economy and gives us our thrills, occupies our time. Most of marketing is geared towards women

Seriously, if you take the time to objectively evaluate the money that 2nd income actually brings in... I don't think most are coming out ahead. The car, gas, clothes, daycare, tires, eating out, blah, blah, blah. But that's just my speculation and it certainly is not my choice, or desire to dictate how one lives their life. It is their journey.

BUT... They should also respect my right to not have my journey imposed on by their choices.



That was not my premise. I wondered if they should be allowed to vote.



I blame both equally, including myself. Women do more damage at the polls though.

Why should the responsible get punished due to the behavior of the irresponsible and selfish?

It always come back to this with you doesn't it? You pretend to be equally derisive of both genders but it always circles back to "If women would take more time..." You can't let go of your deep seated belief that it all boils down to the women.
Show me the numbers that women do more damage at the polls.
And stay away from your speculation and emotional rants please, all you've done in this thread is make uniformed statements.
You do more harm to the liberty movement than any liberal. You can make very good points but you manage to wrap it up in a veneer of lunacy. People of all belief systems can buy in to the fact that the system is broken and needs to be fixed. But when you throw in "women are doing the damage" part, you turn rational folks off. Then you heap it on, UN this, Agenda 21 that, collectivist this and communist that...
If you want to reach an audience, you have to change the message.

 

[disidoro]

Post 634 Mogli.
Men and Women should have equal rights Mogli.
You pepper SB with your concerns and fears and anger at the state of our wonderful country. It's obvious you want something done. I'm telling you that you only resonate with about 30 people here because you take a good point and immediately nuts talking of things that will make a sane person question why they would stand with you.

Delta27, no it isn't women forcing men to be lazy. Men don't go out and get jobs, they are underrepresented in the workforce and in college. Because they don't try. It's easier to live with mom and dad, work part time and play video games. When **** needs to get done, and women are seeing men not doing it, they take it upon themselves to get it done. We all want things Delta, I for one would love people here to look at the 2012 vote breakdown by gender and numbers. Not all women voted for Obama.

 

[disidoro]

Thump on your chest all you want Mogli, you internet hero. lol
The problem isn't who votes for who. Voting doesn't matter anymore and it won't matter as long as we have two parties and the common thought is " my guy sucks but at least he isn't from the other party."
Gender is irrelevant to this.
I'm glad you pointed out the responsible vs irresponsible question. We are all part of society and sometimes the responsible have to take up the slack for the others. Unfortunately it's gone way overboard. To be clear, your post posits that the women are the irresponsible and men are responsible. That is false.
How do we level the playing field again? Make the vote relevant again. Do this by pushing out your guy if he isn't doing the job. You can't be afraid that a new person may be worse. Find common ground with your neighbors, grow your groups.
Stop talking about civil wars, giving it to them one bullet at a time, etc. Either ****ing do it or shut up because it's just crazy talk otherwise. To be clear, I'm not going to be shooting at the man anytime soon.