Are you asking why anyone who needs to be registered is being released?

 

If the offense was peeing in the alley behind the bar at 3 am, or walking into the wrong rest room accidentally, then no.

If it was truly a sexual offense, then I would say yes. Recidivism being what it is and all.

Unless it was Bill Clinton. Then no punishment.

 

Folks found guilty of certain crimes are required by law to register as a sex offender. In effect, registration is part of their sentence.

 

It was just a few years ago that the national news carried the story of a young family man driving his car when a young girl ran out infront of him, from between parked cars. He barely avoided hitting her. He exited his car, ran to her, took her by the arm and scolded her. Because he touched her, a judge ordered him to register as a sex offender.

The registration system can be and is abused.

 

As all government power grabs are likely to be.

 

Maybe 10 years or so ago, we had a sex offender nearby that had moved in with his parents, after serving 17 years, and the cops put a flyer with his name, picture and address on everyone's doors. He went back in prison shortly afterwards for answering the door when a kid was selling something for their school. He violated his parole or release by having contact with a minor.

Like many programs, what started out as a good thing, developed mission creep. I had a neighbor that had to register as a sex offender for peeing behind a rest stop building while the restrooms were closed for cleaning. The guy had his wife and kids traveling with him. That was clearly out of context to what a sex offender is; and that is abuse of the system.

 

I had a neighbor that had to register as a sex offender for peeing behind a rest stop building while the restrooms were closed for cleaning. The guy had his wife and kids traveling with him. That was clearly out of context to what a sex offender is; and that is abuse of the system.

If the offense was peeing in the alley behind the bar at 3 am, or walking into the wrong rest room accidentally, then no.

as a parent, I'm angry with how flawed the system is in this regard.

if you attempt to pee outside, but in "private"... if you solicit a prostitute... if you have sex in the woods with your spouse...

you are not a danger to my wife or kids.

you should not have to register. In addition to the unjustified frustration for you, registering you is also a disservice to me as it waters-down who the real dangerous people are.

 

The principal problem with "sex offenders" is that they're not just rapists and kiddie diddlers anymore. Today, the category includes people who get caught urinating in an alley, or who get drunk and drop their trousers. While these are neither acceptabke nor advisable behaviours, they are certainly not "sex offenses" requiring that the perpetrator be stigmatized for decades.

There needs to be more dichotomy of clarity. Rapists should be castrated or hanged, and drunk and disorderly should be popped into the drunk tank and released when sober.

 

You seem like the guy who would be able to find a case of someone being labeled as a sex offender for urinating in public. I have often heard of this in the past but never been able to find a case of it actually happening. Do you have an example?

 

Another ill effect it creates is a panic in parents to the point where generations are growing up indoors and within arms reach. And people wonder why "young people these days" have no concept of independence or liberty.

Parents, and especially Grandparents, are convinced that there is a kidnapper waiting behind every corner with a panel van and a bag of candy.

 

This and that a lot of busy bodies don't understand parental rights. They think it takes a village to raise a child so if they disagree with you allowing your kid to play outside by themself than you're risking big brother coming after your kids. You think the SO list is bogus?! Research Child P.S.

 

Oh you're talking about that college swimmer rapist kid who was covered in defensive wounds and was pulled off a semi or completely unconcious girl raping her in an alley.

We can talk about what a miscarrage of justice that the poor kid now has to bear a scarlett letter...

Or the fact he raped a women and only served 3 months.

He got off really light regardless and should have either been hanged or imprisoned in a Singapore prison.

 

It also sounds to me that he is talking about Brock Turner. In this one case he got off WAY too easy.

As for overall sex offender registration. I think it needs to happen but needs to be reserved for heinous crimes and/or crimes against children. This is the one category of felony that I do not agree with full reinstatement of rights. Mainly because much of what they do is firmly implanted in their mind and almost impossible to remove (just look at the recidivism rate of these types of crimes).

 

I'm not going to give out my neighbor's name, but I can tell you how they turned urinating into a sexual offense. They charged him with urinating in public and indecent exposure or public exposure or both, I don't know. But, when someone looks at his sexual offender's file online all it says is exposure.

 

So it wasnt actually for urinating in public.

Not a big deal. Just trying to find if the actual charge can be for urinating. Thats all.

 

99% of the ones in my area map are labeled "Lewd and Lasviscious Behavior".

 

AKA, flashing, streaking, public urination, nip slip, groping. All inappropriate, some downright criminal, but none on the order of forcible rape or child abduction.

 

No Soup for them (2A/RTKBA Rights)

 

Oklahoma requires any sex offender conviction to register and notify all the houses for a certain radius around them
It restricts where they can live(not within 500yds of a school, daycare church there are others). It's so difficult to comply with that a pastor of some church has founded a compound / colony in the middle of nowhere

 

Tis better to just **** in your pants and smile than to live a life as a registered sex offender

 

Taking a whizz in the woods would be illegal too if it's public land..... correct?

I guess " nature calling" can leave a message. Bladder stones, after the beep.

 

People have a natural right to pee.
Boating laws are interesting in this regard.
I can't have a toilet on the boat, pee into it, and flush it into the waterway, unless I am 3 freakin miles at sea.

But it is perfectly legal to stand and pee off the back of the boat. I have been at many yacht clubs and marinas, where a respectable gentleman will start wizzing in the water during a conversation without missing a beat.

Stop tolerating stupid over-reaching laws people. That neighbor's dog can pee on my lawn, that I paid for, but I can't? A dog has more rights than me?

 

That neighbor's dog can pee on my lawn, that I paid for, but I can't? A dog has more rights than me?

In my jurisdiction you can pee on your lawn, as long as you don't show the neighbors your bidness. And, if your neighbor's dog pees on your lawn your neighbors are violating the law.

 

Might be a good exercise to examine the SO Registry and consider what a firearm registry would be like.

One example would be that every time there is a gun crime in your area you become an automatic suspect.

 

I get what you are saying but it's hard to compare the registry of an inanimate object to a sex offender. as Runamok said these guys have a high recidivism rate. I also think the guy the first poster is talking about is a bonafide, convicted rapist with several witnesses and physical evidence against him.

They lack impulse control and probably have some sort of neurological and psychological condition.

In Ohio there is a tiered system for the registry and there is a distinction between a pervert flasher and a full-fledged predatory child rapist.

When I get the flyer that one of them moved within X amount of miles from me I automatically assume it's some sort of kid diddler even though it was for gross sexual imposition.

The only way a criminal sex predator shouldn't bear a mark of shame is if they are dead or incarcerated for life.

The fact the government releases repeat, predatory sex offenders is a slap in the face to the normal people of society and all they give you is a postcard with the perp on it that serves a purpose that is a cross between of public shaming and BOLO because the government is too lazy/ incompetent/ corrupt to do what needs to be done.

They should place these *******s in homes next to public servants, in particularly parole board guys and judges.

 

Maintaining sex offender registration and a register isn't cheap. Tracking the activities and jail time for such offensives isn't cheap. I heard about the 'public urination' charge and the sex offender registration for public exposure and looked up a case.

Yeah, he urinated in public. He went over to where women and children were at a picnic and whipped it out, faced them and urinated...this was deliberate.

Anyone buying in that a ticked off cop can get someone on a register just because he peed discretely in an alley believes a rapist tripped, fell, when innocently out walking and landed on a girl who happened to have her clothing fall off. If you've a friend or a relative who is on the register for 'peeing in public' they are lying and you KNOW it's not true, there's something off with that person and you facilitated that pervert and are in denial.

It is hard to prosecute and it is expensive. The dockets are full. In most cases, things are plead down or prosecuted at a lower level.

It's more economical to NOT to put people on the register if they're unlikely to reoffend.

As for someone asking why someone is released from prison before they are rehabilitated...

Really? You really believe that no matter what system we have, criminals, especially rapists and child mos, are going to be reformed? Over 50% recidivate within less than 3 or 5 years. I don't know how many murderers are in there after already committing a 2nd degree murder and doing another one. MANY. (2nd Degree murder in WA, especially in liberal King County can be an 18 year sentence (in months) and they get out in 14 or 15.)

They are criminals and some are perverts.

 

When we first moved to this state, the state had a website listing all SOs, with their pictures and addresses. That year a guy from Canada came down here, looked at the list and begin visiting each SO's home and if they answered the door, he shot them. The police caught up with him and arrested him after the third killing.

At that time a neighbor told me that another neighbor is a SO.

The story is that this SO is mentally retarded and in a wheelchair. At like 20 years old a highschool girl was spending all her time with this guy and pushing him around town. They had sex, her parents found out and had him charged with rape. He was convicted of statutory rape and he is now on the SO list.

Is he really a threat to society? I do not think so. None of the neighbors here think he is any threat to anyone.

When I turned 18 my gf was 17. At that time for us to be together was statutory rape. Her parents liked me a lot, so it was cool. But it could have easily gone sour.

 

The guy that went behind the bldg must have been in someone's line of sight else he wouldn't be in this conversation. That was his error in judgement. So does he deserve a public indecency ticket? Yes. Sex offense charge? Hell no!

The drunk peeing from the sidewalk facing people? Still no but he should serve time w/ hard labor.

A rapist or child molester? Still no. Why? Cause their should be no such registry.
1st offense;
Tall tree
Short rope
Town square.

 

Modern legislative theory is to increase the breadth of the laws, meaning to cast a wide net that covers everyone for something, but to decrease the depth of punishment. This means that there is always SOMETHING to "get" you for, if they want to target you, but the murderers and rapists get sentences that are not anywhere near as worse than the petty thief as they should be.

This is because they have abandoned the moral clarity of the law. Under moral clarity, truly evil crimes are met with capital punishment, while lesser wrongs are met with punishments meant to spur rehabilitation, particularly involving restitution. Today, however, it is about exerting control over as many people as possible, eitber by the threat of prosecution, or by the process. Justice is as relative today as our compressed moral scale.

 

It's about demonizing men and increasing the power and control of government agencies.

The judicial and prison systems are VERY profitable industries.

If sex offenders were just rapists, they would just be called rapists.

This is a morality crime category created by the baby boomer generation even though many of their own parents and grandparents were had large age disparities when they married. It was common where I'm from in the early 20th century for men in their early twenties to date high school girls.

What about virtual crimes? Texting, exchanging pics online, taking public pictures of women's underwear? What about flashing? Mooning?

These are all sex crimes today, but had no statutes against them just 25 years ago.

Just like the war on drugs, this focus on sex crimes has snowballed into a bureaucratic monster.

 

:taped:

 

Don't want any of that to be misconstrued to mean I want any lieniency for someone who is a true sex offender. I don't think a real sex offender should EVER be let out of jail. Their victims are the most defenseless people in our society and they deserve our protection, there's no room in that equation for a second chance. A second chance to abuse a kid is all that would amount to

 

Don't want any of that to be misconstrued to mean I want any lieniency for someone who is a true sex offender. I don't think a real sex offender should EVER be let out of jail. Their victims are the most defenseless people in our society and they deserve our protection, there's no room in that equation for a second chance. A second chance to abuse a kid is all that would amount to

Lets kill all males who date a girl 6 months younger than they are.

Those TRUE SEX OFFENDERS should die, right?

Or maybe the REAL SEX OFFENDERS who take their clothes off first, those are the real criminals. Lets kill them.



/sarc

 

Had a client on the sex offender list. I asked him about it- when in high school he had sex with a younger high school girl who is now his wife.

An unintended consequence is when a registered sex offender doesn't notify the police when he moves. Have your house for sale next door or down the road? Potential buyer checks the list? Good luck convincing him/her that the registered sex offender has moved. Good luck getting fair market value.

 

Can you imagine an incumbent legislator running on a "Let's get more people off the Sex Offender Registry" ticket?

 

It is easy to make-up whole new classes of types of crimes. But once society has accepted the idea of such a crime, you can never regain the lost liberty.

 

anyone who is concerned about being on the sex offender registration or thinks they're unfair are part of the problem and should be checked.

 

So the man who grabbed the 14 year olds arm after she ran in front of his car and had to register should be on there? And remember, even the judge didn't think it was fair but the law required it.

 

Said for years that registered sex offenders will be the FIRST group of **** sapians with mandatory chips implanted for GPS tracking that cannot be removed without surgery ! !
Watch. Some Perv with an extensive record & already registered is going to snatch some poor kid in a highly publicized case & some jackleg Legislator is going to introduce a bill requiring 24/7 monitoring of all registered sex offenders by GPS tracking.
NO politician, no matter HOW liberal is going to publically appear to be defending them, so it'll pass into law quickly.
Note, I predicted they will be the first . . . .
Others will follow !