Not going to touch this one with a ten foot strand of razor wire...

The brainwashing of 'don't fight back' has to start early so you will make good sheeple later in life I guess.

Now to really twist some undergarments: http://anarchei.me/post/16876693057/19-crazy-things-that-school-children-are-being-arrested

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Holy **** it is a really good thing I only have one kid left in school.....:wow

 

... The officer spoke up and said "Sir, I need to speak to you outside" and so we stepped out and he informed me that I was "provoking a fight" and that would NOT be tolerated in a rather stern voice and started to tell me about all the trouble that I was about to get my daughter in to. I stopped him in mid sentence and said "Now, YOU listen to ME!! I know you have a job to do and I respect that but, I'll be D*MNED if my daughter won't defend herself again because she is affraid of getting into trouble with the school and LAW. She has the right to do so." What came out of this officers mouth next FLOORED me. "If she fights back she is just as guilty as the instigator and she should AVOID being anywhere around this girl and go the other way when she sees her."....

So.... he is saying you are provoking a hypothetical fight for a hypothetical situation? :xeye:

I wonder if that officer's wife gets attacked (not that I wish that on any woman), would the officer feel that his wife was " just as guilty as the instigator" for fighting back...

What a crock of crap.

 

I would recommend you get a lawyer to politely send them a letter stating that if the other kid is not removed from being around your daughter and it happens again you will be suing the school and if your daughter defends herself and gets in trouble for defending herself you will also be filing a lawsuit for not protecting her from a violent individual and the trauma that they caused by forcing her to whoop the other kids ass.

saying the kid would be in a heap of **** for fighting back is like telling a woman if someone wants to rape you just sit there and take it

 

I do not know when this garbage started but I remember such rules when I was in school. So this isn't any new policy, it's at least 10-20 years old...but yes, ridiculous.

 

its funny

in the real world you attack me rob me or whatever i can kill you and it is self defense

in school you attack me and i do anything other than let you beat my ass i get in the same trouble as the person who is the aggressor in the situation

 

With all due respect, the OP was encouraging his daughter to apply more force than necessary. There is a large difference between defending yourself and continuing to beat somebody "until a teacher pulls you off of her." The first is within anyone's rights, the second just makes you a bigger bully than the one who started it.

 

to a degree i agree once you have subdued your opponent you stop but if you continue is where you get into trouble legally but honestly the schools do go overboard with there 0 tolerance policies

 

personally i believe the don't fight back brainwashing has begun as a tactic from the government to get people to resist the urge for a revolution. that being said i'd suggest putting your daughter in jujitsu so she can choke that bitch out!

 

 

Bullying Australia - Casey Heynes Vs Ritchard Gala little - Chifley College High School in St. Marys - YouTube

If only more kids/people stood up for themselves like that

 

I have to sympathize with the OP. NO sane person wants to see their child get an ass whipping at school by a bully. But... I agree that you don't want your child to go overboard. In reality most bullies just need to be put in their place in front of a group and that just about does it.

My wife and I have instructed our daughter to stand up for herself. Essentially don't start a fight, but if it happens, knock the bully on their butt and end it there.

I can say also, that I myself never fought back. My brother and I were brought up to believe that you avoid at all costs or just take it. Simply don't fight back. Believe me that I am all to familiar with the school bully. Dealt with it until I graduated from the hell hole people call school. Never once did I think to fight back... trust me, if you raise a child to never fight back, that child will have repercussions to deal with.

I will never raise my daughter that way.

 

So, someone bullies you and you are not allowed to fight back.

Then someone beats you up, and you are not allowed to fight back.

So you get locked in your locker, verbally berated, wedgied, and you can't fight back and the bullies just keep on bullying.

I wonder if Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went through that, lived under these sort of rules?

 

I need to homeschool my kids. I'm a bit brainwashed and haven't pulled my kids out of the government schools yet, but every story like this puts me one step closer.

 

Sorry bout the way this all came down. The law can take a flying leap, because no jury is going to convict a child who is defending himself. At least not here in Texas, and I'll bet not in Tennessee either.

Same thing happened to my oldest boy. This was about '94 and he was in the 8th grade. We had recently moved to town and both my boys made friends easily and became popular and it p***ed off the local bully. This bully would shove him around and slap him on the head while jeering at him. Well he finally told me about it and he was corncerned because I had told him I wanted him to walk away if possible from fights. My son was about average build and height and the bully was bigger, naturally. So when I found out and we called the principal, I warned him that he needed to straighten the other kid out. Nothing happened and the bullying continued.

Finally, he said to me, "I cant take it anymore, dad". So I said, OK, you are released from your promise. You see, both him and his younger brother were, at that age, competition level 3rd degree brown belts in Tai Kwan Do and had been in sparring and fighting competition for 4 years. They were good... real good... The younger one won the Houston area championship for his class and My oldest placed 3rd in his class. Their instructor called them "Gym Rats" because all they ever did was train to fight, 4 nights out of 5, every week from 6 to 8 pm for four years... 80% of their training was sparring. So I told him, no kicks, but the next time he lays a hand on you, take him out on the spot. No "meet you after school chit", but right then and there.

Well it happened the next day, he was in his seat at the beginning of the class, the kid walked by and slapped him on the head, My son came out of that seat and took him down with 2 punches to the head and a heel stomp to the instep, Then he proceeded to slowly pummel the kid, who was rolling on the floor and screaming for someone to get him off. It finally took 2 male teachers to pry my son off.

He got suspended from school for a week, we brought all his assignments home and he didnt miss a lick (and wound up being the hero of the Jr High). The bully stopped picking on everyone after that, because my boy told the bully if he ever saw him picking on anyone at all, no one was going to pull him off. He wouldnt have done that of course, but the bully didnt know if he would or wouldnt, so he just steered clear of my son after that. my boy never got into another fight from then till HS graduation. Everyone remembered that day in the 8th grade.

I loathe bullies and I am of the belief that bullies just havent had a good butt whipping yet. they tend to be a much more considerate person after they get their come-uppance.

 

For about the first 6 years my kids were in school I urged them to avoid fighting at all costs. They bravely put up with crap from the worst pieces of excrement bullies until one of my sons started showing signs of emotional problems and his grades were plummetting. This hurt me to see going down so (Like the OP) I told him not to start a fight, to walk away but if turd bird came after him again and so much as touched him, to turn around and wail the hell out of him and hurt him until the kid either gave up or a teacher pulled him off. A teacher broke it up and he was suspended the last 3 days of the school year. Most of the kids thought he was a hero after that.

The next year my 6 Y.O. who wore coke bottles also was having problems with P.O.S. bullies and I told him the same thing. A friend of his who wore hearing aids came to his defence when 3 turds jumped on my son. He was holding his own and had drawn blood on 2 of them when his buddy joined the fray. They beat the hell out of all 3 and went on throughout the year looking for bullies. Nobody messed with our geeks after that.

The disgusting thing is that some bullies still pull that crap into adulthood if they can get away with it. Best thing to do with them is hurt them hard, any way you can without witnesses. They're just cowards who never learned the lessons they needed.

 

yep your right some bullies do tend to take it into adulthood. Most likely the ones who were never stood up to. Being an old rascal and bar room brawler after the Nav. I came to rest and settle down out in the woods and away from bar room influences. Eleven years ago I met my closest neighbors. Both male and female with bad attitudes. He began messing with me. Real bad idea right there. But I was attempting to turn a new leaf work on anger management etc ... my drive/road was getting plowed in some banks 9 ft. high. Dog crap thrown on my door step i saw shovel marks in the snow where it had been dug out. these people live a half mile from me. Lets see what else? oh yeah and a no parking sign at the foot of my road where i would park on occasion if not plowed out yet or thru mud season. A section of road these folks have no right of way in. I took this crap for about 3 years. That was not a good thing. When it finally came down to words i walked all over that guy. In the middle of the road he finally got his arse handed to him. It's been two years since his late lesson in life and I've not heard one peep out of any of them. Law? what law? they are 30 minutes away. Law of the woods out here. Now it's nice and quiet just the way I like it. So yeah tell your kids to kick some bully butts.

 

I graduated eight years ago, and the rule for fighting was zero tolerance. Didn't matter what the fight was over, who started what, or even if you fought back or not. Everyone involved was getting 10 days out of school suspension. Even if you just stood there and didn't attempt to defend yourself. Problems really arose when the "bad" kids who didn't care to be at school anyway would beat up the "good" kids, for no reason other than to see them get suspended too.

My dad used to tell me to never start s**t with someone, but if they placed a hand on me to beat them to the ground. Even if you lose the fight, they will know you're going stand up for yourself. Bullies tend to try to pick with those they know wont defend themselves.

 

Bullies are the only form of life lower than a syphilis germ. Life without honor is worse than death. These submissive "bend over & spread your cheeks" liberals are EVIL beyond words!