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#1 ·
Over dinner last night my wife and I where talking about military rifles. I want to start collecting Russian rifles and this was the best way to explain why I chose Russian over American rifles.

First off to be a little politically correct here I love bikes, have owned bikes, and have many friends/family that ride.

The Russians make some great rifles but it's not really fair to compare them to American made rifles. The American rifles are the prom queen where the Russian rifle are the biker b---h, both will the job done just there own way. That idea isn't mine I have read it in other places.

AK74- Out of the biker family this might be the one that cleans up the best. I have never fired this weapon but all the research I can find says it's as good as the AK47 and the round (5.45x39) does more damage then the American 5.56. They are a little harder to find as people that pick them up don't normally sell them. As soon as I can find the right deal I'm getting one of these

AK47-This is the full blow b---h she will kick you all day and you will beg for more. They almost always go bang, you don't need a huge amount of knowledge to maintain the rifle. I know it will never be as accurate as the AR platform but I can't hit bull eyes at 300-500 yards anyway, the rifle will out shoot me every day. But you can hit a man at 300 yards with a little practice. The 7.62x39 round is heavier then the 5.56 so it will be less accurate but it does have more mass so you will get a "better" wound.

SKS- you get a little more accurate then the AK but smaller magazine. The rifle was designed to shoot the 7.62x54 round so it will handle the smaller 7.62x39 without any problem. It could be the most rugged semi auto around.

Mosin Nagant- This is the older(ugly) sister of the AK47. She will kick you like a mule until you can't take anymore. IMHO the best value rifle you will find. For less then $120 you get a rifle that will hit man size targets at 500 yards (again not by me both others that can shoot well). Ammo is $0.20 a round so not going to find much cheaper then that. $250 you have a bolt action rifle and 440 rounds of ammo shipped to your door. The round 7.62x54r was designed to compare to the 30-06 and it does that just fine. Where a 30-06 round will cost $0.80-1.20 each. Pretty much any big game in North America will go down with this rifle.

It needs to be said the surplus ammo is corrosive so you will have to clean your rifles after you shoot to keep them in good shape. But for me that's not a problem as I clean mine after a day at the range anyway. And with the price of surplus ammo you can get all the above rounds for less the $0.50 each.

The Russian rifle prices are going up pretty quick at least in my area. Last year stores sold the mosin for $79 now they are $99, Ak47 where $400 now they are $550+, SKS was $225 now they are $350+ and the AK74 I can't find locally. It looks like I'm not the only one seeing the value of the Russian rifles.


Don't think I don't love the American rifles I own a AR15 that I wouldn't sell for anything. It shoots great and will do anything I want it to. But I am looking for the most bang for the buck and the Russian stuff is where I find that. But with the pricing going up it is just a matter of time before the AK47 is the price of a AR15 and I would pick the AR at that price.

To recap I love my Russian firearms and I will be buying more.
 
#5 ·
Amen on the Mauser 98s... Kick the crap out of the gutter slit Mosins, anyday. Smooth, fast, balanced, accurate. But ammo is hard to find now for cheap...

I'd prefer an AK anyday to an AR or other rifle, for most things. Long range combat? M1A. Urban? M4. Real close quarters? SBR M4... But for most things, the AK47 in particular, is my hot lil Mamma.
 
#6 ·
factory ammo will never pass through my mauser 200 grain sierra match king going 2600fps its as close as i can replicate the original sniper ammo from ww2


as to the OP

sure the ak 47/74 are decent guns sks are decent and moisans are fun and cheap

but american made firearms are by no means prom queens they are just as reliable as the soviet stuff but in many cases more efficient than there soviet counterparts.

and with the prices of the old east block stuff going up in price i hardly feel the value is there like it used to be the days of $50 moisans and 90 sks are long past and when your forking over 250+ for a SKS these days i am sorry but the cost to value margin is starting to not be as good on them

and the chances of you getting a actual russian AK SKS RPK SVD or other soviet weapon is pretty small and you will spend alot more than you will for other countries stuff and they are not as quality made in many instances for example I shot a yugo sks was crap the norincos are pretty deceit in quality but as for you getting actual russian arms is pretty small sorry to burst your bubble
 
#11 ·
I collect WWII rifles (among others) I have 2 Enfields, 2 Mosin-Nagants, a Mauser K98 and an M-1 Carbine...I hope to get an M-1 Garand through CMP soon. I should have bought a French M1934 (It was never fired and only Dropped once...or so the joke goes) when they were plentiful and going for $100.00 each...now you never see them....Arisakas and Carcanos are also scarce and now expensive.
 
#18 ·
800 for a ak is more than an ak is worth.

you gave me a broken link and good luck finding a real SVD in the US for less than $5k and the PSLs you see that you can get from century are not SVDs and even warn you against firing surplus 762
 
#17 ·
Russian military philosophy is interesting. Take a look at the finer details of their aircraft. Their runways are littered with trash. They close the intakes during taxi/take-off and breath through "gills" atop the wings. Watch a Russian fighter pilot scramble to his plane---he does it alone. In America, the airfields are picked over by lines of soldiers for ANY refuse of ANY sort. Shoulder to shoulder. The pilots scramble their jets with a bunch of cheerleaders and fluffers to aid them. Rivets are ground flat on US aircraft. Russian aircraft, they don't bother except on leading edges.

However, the reason I am selling my AK, is that her personality is purely abrasive, and she's more of a transvestite than a woman. None of the anatomical landmarks are what you expect, and it demands you give it a reach around to get it running, and I'd really rather not be reaching when I could quickly and easily get my M4 to do what I want. I'll take the prom queen---this one can also cook and carry a conversation and puts out.
 
#33 ·
...However, the reason I am selling my AK, is that her personality is purely abrasive, and she's more of a transvestite than a woman. None of the anatomical landmarks are what you expect, and it demands you give it a reach around to get it running, and I'd really rather not be reaching when I could quickly and easily get my M4 to do what I want. I'll take the prom queen---this one can also cook and carry a conversation and puts out.
lol...! Being in Kalifornia, my Russian SKS is my current SHTF rifle... I love the AR platform, but what's next, ridiculous law-wise...? Gonna pick up a Mini-14 next...
 
#21 ·
this thread is why the prices are going up...russian guns are not getting any better,they are the same 100$ sks's,300$ AK's.just cost more because "the man" is exploiting poor people for a profit.cashing in on popularity when the reason they are popular is because of the low cost,low cost isnt there anymore(ironic).they are not "collectible",collectible values are because things are RARE,russian guns are far from rare.actually the most common firearms(more irony).find a true mosin sniper or a SVD,then it has collectible value.not the parts kit and made for american market junk....

back before fanbois hit the scene people bought an sks because they couldnt afford an AK,bought an AK because they couldnt afford an AR,M1 or even a mini.soon russian guns will cost more then the american rifles,why?cuz sheeple fell for the marketing gimmicks.nothing to do with what is best,what is best can not be proven or it would have already been done.(excluding custom guns,logical that more hands on manufacturing cost more do to labor involved vs assembly lines)

same goes for AR's,there are many cheap cast,thrown together,"sporter" AR's that cost the same as good AR's used to cost,bumping the price of the good stuff up.and 1500$ for a M1?give me a break...inflation has nothing to do with guns,it has been takin over by salesmen marketing BS.
 
#24 ·
Part of the price hike is supply and demand. There were so many extra weapons from the Russians, and everyone found they could buy them at a pretty cheap price. When people started liking them so much, they bought more and the prices started going up. Now, there aren't as many availiable, So yes, the middle man is the one making out like the bandit.
I agree, I bet mosins climb too. They have already started. :)
 
#26 ·
AK74- Out of the biker family this might be the one that cleans up the best. I have never fired this weapon but all the research I can find says it's as good as the AK47 and the round (5.45x39) does more damage then the American 5.56. They are a little harder to find as people that pick them up don't normally sell them. As soon as I can find the right deal I'm getting one of these.
AK74 for the win in my book. Wish I started with these many moons ago. Would have had 3 instead of just 1.
 
#35 ·
The 5.45x39 round has a completely different wound cavity than the 5.56. Where the 5.45 makes a nice wound cavity at entrance, it also does so at exit. The 5.56 is suppose to penetrate more before it makes the wound cavity.

Anyways, I just want to say that I would pick the AK74 over the AK47 any day of the week if I was going to carry combat load all over god's creation. IMO, the average schmo isn't going to hide behind 5mm of steel. He's going to hide behind doors, mud huts, car doors, and residential walls. The 5.45 is going to penetrate plenty against those targets and the advantages of a 7.62x39 is going to disappear.
 
#41 ·
Collecting russian firearms is a good non expensive place to stat in the firearms collection area. Many can be had for less than many expensive U.S. made fire arms. So your collection will get bigger faster than say if you went with american made firearms.

But don't get too ahead of your self here. There are some pretty expensive ruskie firearms out there. SO unless you are just looking for some fun guns stick with sks, ak, nagant, makarov and tokorev. These names can be had on a budget.

When you get into WWII and WWI collecting. That's when the prices start going up. Like SVT39-40 (the 7.62x54R sks) PPSH, PPS, DPM etc.

Also there are the beltfed fun guns. Like RPD and PKM. But there are pretty non budget firearms.

But also keep in mind there is a lot of junk out there. So keep your eyes peeled and study up on what to look for. And by all means stay away from century arms Ak's. Unless they are strictly imported and not jacked with tlike the WASR.
 
#43 ·
The Soviet SVD or TIGR are outstanding weapons. My uncle has a papered "Nam" bringback (TIGR). A once-in-a-lifetime shot was made with this rifle that was witnessed by over 100 people. With the right ammo, it is an INCREDIBLY accurate platform! Worth the $4500 it would cost IMO. My uncle will give it to me when he no longer needs it. He said I "earned" it.
 
#44 ·
I actually traded in my Bushmaster AR-15 for a AK-74. Ammo is SO much cheaper and my AR had too many issues ejecting shells. Shot fine after a good cleaning but at the point of 100+ rounds through it - it would jam and stovepipe until I could strip and clean it. My AK is smooth as silk. My only issue is the price and availability of mags for it.
 
#46 ·
My AK is smooth as silk....
Yeah it is....

I learned to love reliability over 1 MOA and tactical furniture.

Thankfully my AR hasn't caused me any grief....yet.

Just buy a mag here and there when you can and it's all good. K-VAR is where I go for the quality mags. TAPCO mags are plentiful and haven't caused me any issues so far. Use the TAPCO's for the range but they all have been performing great.

I will say my 74 gets HOT and quick. But never a hiccup. My AR does better at hiding the heat (being trapped inside the receiver and bolt/bcarrier)....but once she gets hot, she takes a long time to cool off. The AK cools off pretty quickly.