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When I worked in disability I was amazed at the people who were home schooled and totally dysfunctional. Many were adults. They could recite an obscure bible verse but had no skills for functioning in the real world. Home schooling is a terrible thing to do to a child. Part of school is a socialization process.
 
#4 ·
That sounds like the exact opposite effect that proper home schooling would have on a child. Unlike the relentless necessity to memorize and recite useless information, which seems to be the foundation of current curriculums.

The truth is that schooling (or atleast what it means today) in general is a terrible thing to do. Not only to a child, but to a society. Ever heard of the trivium? How about a guy named John Taylor Gatto? Do a little research on the subject. Here let me get you started:

The purpose of schooling:

And if you like that, here he can be found talking for 5 hours straight! Have at it!:
 
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I've never met a dysfunctional homeschooled person. I have met many dysfunctional people produced by public education. It isn't that public education is so bad (neither is it so great), but loving, concerned parents that are involved in the lives of their children, in a positive way, is the key to turning out educated, well balanced young adults.
 
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Home schooling products like public schooling products depends on the quality of the instruction. IF you home school and are most interested in teaching sciences, language skills, math and not religious or political doctrine to competent standards the resulting product will be well educated and the teacher/student ratio will most important.
 
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Home schooling products like public schooling products depends on the quality of the instruction. IF you home school and are most interested in teaching sciences, language skills, math and not religious or political doctrine to competent standards the resulting product will be well educated and the teacher/student ratio will most important.
That - right there. Most home schooled people I know, were forced to memorize enough facts about science and a few other things to pass tests. But they were taught this knowledge is lies. The world began 2500 years ago and was created in 7 days. Say whatever you have to, to get into college, get a job, but never forget others who have an actual education in science, are the devil in disguise. Language? ROFLMAO It should be obvious from posts here, IF you speak ANY language other than English you are a commie! And more than a few, didn't do to well in English either.....
They are your kids and I am 100% behind you educating them in any manner you see fit. But when they can't hold a job at Mc Ds because they can't work beside someone who wasn't raised/doesn't believe the same as them, don't blame the public.
 
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hoo boy.
My children are homeschooled-I just graduated two of them. I defy anyone to try to have a battle of wits with them-they are freaking brilliant. My oldest daughter was offered a full scholarship to a private college in Nashville after graduating early-and the brief stint my 16 yo daughter did in public school(less than a year in 8th grade) landed her in gifted as well as being scouted by Lockheed Martin for a potential job when she graduated after perfect fcat scores. SHE WAS 12! She graduated almost two years early-because she completed more than enough hours to graduate highschool WITHOUT EVEN TRYING. My two teenage sons are science geeks and history buffs-to the point that they can easily converse with adults.
Why do I even bother defending myself to individuals who make ignorant sweeping generalizations based on very little? Because my kids NEVER sat down at a table with a curriculum. I got as far away from the public school model as possible. We buy books, cheap college texts from goodwill, talk to old-timers, watch nature shows...go outside and learn instead of sit behind a durn desk and learn how to digest the revisionist nonsense and puke it back up for a test. My mom has worked in the ps system for thirty-five years and it disgusts her. I know teachers who think home education is the best option, period.
Socialization? My five year old son has better socialization skills than most public school teenagers. I **** thee not. I cannot tell you how many times at a playground my son has tried to talk to other 'socialized pre-schoolers and kindergartners' and they look at him and drool and hide behind mommy...but wow, they are socialized better than home educated children, right?
I say this not to get sucked in to defending because I don't need to. My point is, my kids learned at home-and learned 'out of the box thinking' my home has been DOMINATED by the constant pursuit of knowledge. We learn together as a family and you know what? Most of the homeschooling families that I am acquainted with are like this. In my 18 years as a home educator I have run across two, maybe three families who didn't do a stellar job, and this is out of hundreds of families I have been around.
I know better than to jump into this debate because it's fruitless. But ya caught me on a stressful day and I'm spoiling for one.
So there ya go.
 
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Homeschooling is not some horrible thing to do to your kids. I'm actually surprised to find such sentiment on a board where most people have little trust in our government--yet we should trust them to educate and socialize our children? I see homeschooling as a way to ensure your kids learn the things you value rather than what uncle sam values.

As far as the quality of education, studies have shown that homeschoolers actually outperform on placement tests and do better in college--and the study I read even said that this was the case when parents had only a highschool diploma. I can't cite that study, but I'm sure you can google for it. I'm not trying to elevate homeschoolers above public schooled kids, but having been homeschooled myself, it always irks me when I hear someone talk about how homeschooled kids are "weird", "unsocialized", "uneducated", or whatever the case may be. Therefore, I feel the need to jump to the defense.

On the contrary, I thought it was nice that I could go to school an hour or so 2 or 3 days a week and still be on par with what my public school buddies were doing and then go on to do well in college as well.
 
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This will be long, but I may be able to contribute a unique perspective on this subject.

I am in my late 20’s and was homeschooled from pre-K until I graduated high school. The first time I ever set foot in a classroom was my first day of college. My mother was my primary instructor—she is a Christian fundamentalist and I memorized Bible verses and learned all about how the earth was created in 7 days and is only 2,000 years old. I learned that dinosaurs were made up by people who wanted to test my faith in God. My church growing up didn’t have a single child in public or private school, and most families had more than 6 children. By age 10 I had surpassed my mother’s capabilities in mathematics and science. For much of my childhood, my mother was very ill and was often bedridden for 20+ hours a day. My father had to work double shifts and volunteer for out-of-town assignments to keep up with medical bills. I don’t have many memories of him until I hit my teenage years. It was unheard of in my church for a woman to be unmarried at age 18.

I say all of this because I should have been a failure. I should be uneducated, un-socialized, and barely able to function in modern society. I am not a failure.

I met all the requirements to graduate high school by age 16 and did. I got a job delivering pizzas, worked my tail off for a year and stashed away every penny. The summer I turned 18 I entered college with a scholarship and made the honor roll more often than not. I earned a B.S in Science and was the only student in my class to graduate with honors, and in only 4 years. I graduated debt free and paid cash for my first car. I married at 22 with a college degree and no children-a first in my family. My husband does not suffer from the notion that he has to be in charge just because his reproductive organs are on the outside—we have a true partnership of equals. I just celebrated five years as a law enforcement officer and am working in a forensic laboratory, analyzing drug cases. During my early years on road patrol, my evaluations spoke of how gifted I was at calming down people and de-escalating situations gone bad. My current supervisor wants to transfer me to DNA analysis as soon as the budget allows, and I will take her up on the offer, possibly even earn my Masters. I consider myself an open-minded atheist and love watching science documentaries on evolution and how the universe was formed.

How did this happen? My parents taught me how to learn, and to love to learn. As much as they tried to instill their beliefs and way of life in me, their primary concern was to teach me how to think critically, how to analyze data and respond with logic. The intention of this was so I would not be led astray by heathen unbelievers, but that kinda backfired ;) There were many gaps in my education, but they taught me how to fill them when needed. I was taught work ethic, etiquette, responsibility in both life and finances, how to plan for the future and a love of reading. From what I have been able to gather, these are not priorities in public schools. So what if my history was a bit lacking at graduation? I have enough curiosity not only to look it up, but to read further—learn about history in the context of the culture and politics of the time. Learn why it is important, not just that it happened. I do this on my own, with joy and enthusiasm. What I learn, I retain, because I am interested. I never learned to hate learning!

I am eternally grateful to my parents for homeschooling me and giving me such an amazing head start in life. I have excelled at every job I’ve ever held, whether mundane or technical, and have been promoted quickly and often. I do not shy away from new responsibilities or opportunities. Two years ago when my supervisor needed a better billing system but forgot to put it in the budget, I bought an “Access for Dummies” book. Two weeks later I produced my first program. It is still in use today.

Homeschooling works if done right—even if done wrong in the right circumstances. And please do not think poorly of my mother. Remember when I said I was a math wiz at 10? I could barely read at that age—I had a knack for math, but reading was hard for me. Different kids learn different things at different rates. My mother knew this, and had an innate understanding of my needs. She faces harsh ridicule because of her choices. At 10 something ‘clicked’ for me, and at age 12 I was reading and fully comprehending senior-level textbooks. In public school I would have been labeled with a learning disorder, told I was stupid and stuck with the slow kids. Think I would still love learning under those circumstances? I could not have asked for a more loving, nurturing and consistent parent. She gave her all to me and is the dearest woman I know. It is because of her, of what she gave to me even when she was in pain from a disease that had not yet been named, that I am who I am today.
 
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my homeschooled kids

While public school kids were learning how to read a map in class, my homeschooled kids were visiting a local map-making company who was thrilled to discuss how they establish and compose flood zones and showed map contours of our neighborhood.

While public school kids were standing in line waiting for someone to tell them their regularly scheduled fire drill was completed, my homeschooled kids were inside a local hotel, restaurant, and hospital looking for the emergency fire routes. Practical applications.

While public school kids were learning math by rote, my homeschooled kids learned how to prepare a household budget, how to double and triple recipes, how to prepare a tax return, and how to balance a checkbook. Practical applications.

While public school kids were standing in line waiting for their turn to get lunch, my kids were working on a weekly menu and then making it themselves. That counted for home economics.

When school kids were learning to read aloud to the class, my kids were reading to blind people at the local nursing home.

I can go on and on.

And when public school kids came home, they were over at my house playing.
 
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While public school kids were learning how to read a map in class, my homeschooled kids were visiting a local map-making company who was thrilled to discuss how they establish and compose flood zones and showed map contours of our neighborhood.

While public school kids were standing in line waiting for someone to tell them their regularly scheduled fire drill was completed, my homeschooled kids were inside a local hotel, restaurant, and hospital looking for the emergency fire routes. Practical applications.

While public school kids were learning math by rote, my homeschooled kids learned how to prepare a household budget, how to double and triple recipes, how to prepare a tax return, and how to balance a checkbook. Practical applications.

While public school kids were standing in line waiting for their turn to get lunch, my kids were working on a weekly menu and then making it themselves. That counted for home economics.

When school kids were learning to read aloud to the class, my kids were reading to blind people at the local nursing home.

I can go on and on.

And when public school kids came home, they were over at my house playing.
You sound like my oldest:thumb:
 
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I wasn't homeschooled, but I was raised in Christian private schools up to College and I had several friends who were home-schooled. And no, I don't identify as Christian, in spite of being raised in a Christian environment.

I heard a lot of the same arguments against Christian private schools. The most common ones I heard were:

non-homeschooler said:
Homeschooled kids may not be properly socialized.
Socialized according to whose standards? People who say this never stop to consider that some schools or communities are very bad places to socialize a child, and sometimes homeschooling is the only way to avoid such places without the parents relocating to a "good" district (expensive), or sending the kids to private school (also expensive). You cannot guarantee that a child will be properly socialized in any environment, but I'd rather defer to parents to decide what is best for their child, unless that child is being physically harmed because of it.

One homeschooled friend of mine was from a family who didn't have a lot of money, and he lived in a bad part of town with crummy schools. I found out later that the parents would search around nicer communities than the one they lived in when looking for extracurriculars, so that he would be socialized with nicer kids. How DARE they keep their child from being socialized in an area with high crime and terrible schools!

non-homeschooler said:
Some homeschooled children are being brainwashed with Christian Fundamentalism!
While the teaching of Religion is an often-cited reason for choosing private or Homeschooling options, there is no consistent evidence that education within a Religious context is inherently bad for children. There is also a big difference between receiving Christian education at the exclusion of everything else, and simply being taught according to Christian principles.

Critics love to cite anecdotes about fundamentalist parents raising their kids in an anti-science bubble, but I don't see any evidence that these extreme examples are the norm among homeschoolers. Making sweeping judgements on a teaching method based on anecdotal evidence is a dangerous game. Using those standards, we could easily argue against public school education by virtue of how many children from Public schools are sexually abused (by teachers!), assaulted by peers, etc.

Homeschooling is also becoming more popular with non-Christian demographics, so this argument will be even less valid as time goes on . http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2012-02-14/home-schools-secular/53095020/1


Bottom line: if the State is the only entity permitted to educate your children, then your children are effectively wards of the State from day one. What you teach them will always be secondary to what the State teaches them.

Live in a bad school district? Then move to a good district with the money I assume you have.
Their homeroom teacher is accused of sexual assault? Too bad, you'd better not take them out of class or you could go to jail.
Don't like the curriculum? Feel free to vote out the people in the Department of Educa... oh wait, most of them are appointees. You can't vote them out.
 
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After the 14 years of dealing with public education with my son (he has now graduated) and 12 years with my daughter (graduates next year) and the things I have had to deal with, violence, ignorance (teacher and student ignorance), boredom (the same curriculum year after year--just enough to pass the "test")

Well, if I had to do it again, I would homeschool in a heartbeat. I gave up my career to raise my kids, and I though putting them in the hands of educated professionals was a good idea.
 
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i'm not going to weed through all the other posts to comment directly to what others have said.

but if you home-school your kids they should perform much better than public school kids. it's not that you're a great parent or teacher, it's not that your kids are brilliant. it's the simple matter of the arrangement.

give any student the ability to set their own schedule, work at their own pace and have constant access to a teacher that doesn't have 15-30 other students at one time jockeying for their attention and she how well any student does. now take away the wasted time walking from class to class and handing out papers and fire drills and flag salute and all the other time wasters and see how much more learning can get done in a 6.5 hr school day.

and it isn't so much the government that handicaps public schools. it's the parents more than anything. most parents don't put any value on education at all. and every parent puts too much emphasis on the needs of their student in opposition to the others. half the kids in school are below average, meaning they learn slower than others. but parents will never accept that their kid is stupid, it's because the teacher is no good, or the material is irrelevant. on the flip side are the parents who just see school as a step to get into whichever college they want and feel it's the schools job to pad their test scores and academic profile and couldn't care less if their child actually knows anything when all is said and done.
 
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Great Thread!!!:) because Learning is a process, and it’s one that can be as dynamic as the children who arrive in class. More than anything, what many parents and students are realizing is learning is an activity that can happen anywhere and everywhere. The learning process should be something that’s truly alive and truly challenging for the young learner.How does this happen in our modern culture? For many parents, home schooling is an effective and exciting option for families that want to take a different approach to the educational process, going beyond traditional models and engaging with something much more dynamic and learner focused.
 
#31 ·
Gotta disagree with ya here.

Home schooling can/may be a major part of off grid living and homesteading.
My oldests 3 grand children have their own little organic garden gig going on, they sell their excess veggies at a local farmers market and to local restaurants.
They have learned how to grow, market and profit from their "schooling"
- Macro and Micro Economics
- Supply and demand
- Budget
- Cause and effect
- Weather
 
#36 ·
Asked and answered.

(Ron Paul happens to be a medical doctor.)

Gotta disagree with ya here.

Home schooling can/may be a major part of off grid living and homesteading.
My oldests 3 grand children have their own little organic garden gig going on, they sell their excess veggies at a local farmers market and to local restaurants.
They have learned how to grow, market and profit from their "schooling"
- Macro and Micro Economics
- Supply and demand
- Budget
- Cause and effect
- Weather
 
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