Congratulations!!! Is he being breastfed? That helps.

You are going to get tons of conflicting information with your question. I had a dog that had health issues because of the rabies vaccine, so I really started reading up on vaccines. Now, my dogs get single shots not the multiple diseases in one shot. Costs me more, but to me, it is worth it.

My son is 34 now. If I knew then what I know now, I would still get him vaccinated but I would do it when he was a little older and i would insist on individual shots (1 disease at a time) There was a time where I regretted getting him vaccinated at all, but I've changed my views. With all these illegal kids coming into the country now and bringing god knows what diseases, and people not vaccinating at all, I'd rather have a baby vaccinated.
I don't think Drs lie on purpose....it is just how they have been taught

 

Congratulations!!! Is he being breastfed? That helps.

more than helps. It's everything. ANd I don't just mean drinking pumped breast milk. If the baby is sick, the mother gets it and then produces a cure... through direct contact.

If mommy isn't breast feeding, she can, despite whatever she's been told. Lactation nurses are brilliant and can literally save the lives of babies worldwide.

get it done.

 

I wouldnt give any, I find no benefit from them in a healthy child in a well cared for home with access to medical care if need be.

Congratulations!

 

But what about when he starts being exposed to immigrants and such?
God knows what they're carrying, even some that work in doctors' offices.

 

A lot of great info on SB but legal, financial and medical advise, not. Consult professional advise when dealing subjects like this. Just IMHO

 

Couple videos for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6p8l0-6XQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhTO2D1ccJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iM-oYmLoIw

These threads are always fun....
Although I think the op is just trying to stir the pot.

 

Man, I never think about pot-stirring!! I am so naive. Sigh.

 

You will get forceful arguments from both sides. Talk to your doctor about a schedule that is less aggressive but look at what the vaccines are for. If it is a potentially life-threatening disease, prioritize those.

Consider what might happen if the SHTF and they weren't available. My kids are about to get tetanus boosters for that very reason.

Fwiw, I researched it with my kids, looked at worst-case scenarios on both sides of the issue, then went for the standard vax schedule at that time. (A decade ago). Now, I would do single-dose, delayed, spaced out vaxxes prioritized by disease.

Totally agree on the breast-feeding though. It helps more than you can fathom. Best wishes for you!!

 

Stirring the pot huh? Ya sure, im trying to get as much info. as I can about a serious subject. I appreciate all the real responses though. Not the useless. He is being breast fed, and is perfectly healthy right now. Just want to make the right decisions, im thinking of waiting till hes at least a year old.

 

Wasn't trying to insult you. This topic has been beat.to.death. A lot of the posts on this subject simply are people trying to stir the pot. The links I posted are worth a real look and there are many others if you are truly interested in the topic. It just struck me as a bit odd that you ask after the child is born. Combine that with a new member, low post count, and the history of this subject on this board and ...well you can see where this is going.

For me, I'm not a big fan of vaccinations and to each their own. The vaccine schedule far exceeds what the small body of a child can handle without causing some form of harm. Also, many vaccines aren't even effective. And why does my newborn child need a hep b vaccine?

I would be more than happy to give you some links to medical information for you to base your own opinion though. Congrats on the kid, by the way.

 

I went with an adjusted shot schedule. Only polio vac until he was older. At 4 years old we had more shots then between 6-8 Years old he had them all (besides chicken pox). We also did the vitamin K shot.

Keep an eye out for whooping cough.

Some of the shots make no damn sense at birth. Hep B for example, unless the mother has Hep B it why are you going to shoot up an infant. In this day and age, there is no excuse for not doing your own research and making the choices that are best for YOUR family.

 

Keep an eye out for whooping cough.

Some of the shots make no damn sense at birth. Hep B for example, unless the mother has Hep B it why are you going to shoot up an infant. In this day and age, there is no excuse for not doing your own research and making the choices that are best for YOUR family.

I am a labor and delivery nurse who gives hep B vaccines to babies regularly. Hepatitis is becoming very common, and many people don't know they have it or are exposed until symptomatic. I have picked up dirty needles in our town park next to the play area, and needles on the side of a country road.

There are a lot of junkies out there, and i takr care of a lot of people who are addicted to heroin.I had the Hep B series twice and my kids had the shots as well. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if vaccines for others forms of Hepatitis become available.

 

Congrats on your new addition, and welcome to sleep deprivation!! :

I would vaccinate the child, and enjoy the tiny human.

The dangers of the diseases are much higher than the dangers of vacs IMO.

 

Thank you everyone for the replies, I am doing as much research as I can, just trying to get different opinions. Lord Opie, that wasnt even a second thought for me, We figured we were breast feeding as soon as we found out we were having a baby. I know thats everything, and thats what confuses me about vaccines, I know the baby gets all the immunities from mothers milk, yet I get conflicting opinions from the doctors, and everyone I talk to. Just trying to decide what to do. I know some vaccines make sense, and some dont. Im figuring in talking to the pediatrician and splitting the dosing up, and deciding whats needed, and whats not. Giving your newborn a vaccine for an STD doesnt make sense to me at all.

 

This may sound strange but hear me out.
Skip getting advice from the doctor on this subject. They will flat tell you that vaccines are needed. It is a one sided conversation. Not that they are stupid, but they only know what they were taught, and what they were taught in school was funded by pharmaceutical companies. These folks were taught to prescribe a pill for every ill.

I would look for independent sources of info. This can be tough, but it is possible. One of the things going against you is the fact no long term studies have EVER been done with most of these vaccines. We and our kids are the test subjects. Furthermore, modern western medicine fails to see the correlation of underlying causes, so when a problem does arise, it's never traced back to the root.

Our first child was on the regular vaccine schedule (wife actually went behind my back on that our of fear that he would become ill and she was a first time mom) until he was about a year. He was always ill with something or another. When the vaccines stopped, so did his immune issues. Our second child, (1 year old) who was not vaccinated, has had the sniffles once and that's it.

Whether somebody is for or against vaccines there is no denying that the vaccinations are worth billions. This can skew some things.

 

The safest bet would be to space them out.

See if you can also get one vaccine at a time and avoid the multiple cocktails.

If your child is not in daycare, you can wait and not get them too early.

 

Congratulations diesel.

It sounds like you have a reasonable vaccination plan.

 

I wouldn't skip any vaccines certainly not Hep B....its a highly infectious virus spread through contact with blood and bodily fluids that pretty much endemic in the 3rd world. If you child shares a toothbrush with another kid that has it (assuming with a mouth cut) they will have the live Hep B virus the rest of their life. Sure its rare but better to be safe than sorry..polio and tetanus is rare..but people also were crippled or died horrible deaths from them..that why we have vaccines now that prevent it.

Other risk factors include working in a healthcare setting, blood transfusions, dialysis, sharing razors or toothbrushes with an infected person, travel in countries where the infection rate is high, and living in an institution.

It is 50 to 100 times more infectious than HIV.

About a third of the world population has been infected at one point in their lives, including 350 million who are chronic carriers. Over 750,000 people die of hepatitis B each year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_B

 

I didnt vax right away. I was a stay at home mom and our social bubble was small. Once they got to school age I did vax because of the ammount of new people they would come in contact with and also to help with the herd immunity that helps kids who have bad immune systems. Its a tough call either way. Id feel guilty if I didnt and guilty if I did.

 

Some people have one but don't know it. yet

 

Yeah curse all those doctors who base the needs of people using something as crazy as science and proven tested methods.

Remnants of the flat earth society know we didnt land a man on the moon and through careful use of imagination backed up with statistically insignificant numbers of possible ill effects, that you should not have your kid protected against the diseases that killed and crippled so many in modern nations not that long ago and kill hundres of times more than ebola year on year in 3rd world nations.

Its a great tribute to modern medicine that people have stopped fearing the diseases that tore through our society barely a couple generations ago

in 1952 more kids got polio in the USA than American servicemen died in the entire Vietnam war

In so many ways we live in luckier times than we appreciate

 

I can only imagine being a child stuck inside one of those iron lung machines...how terrified they must have been separated from their parents. We are definitely lucky compared to previous generations..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_pressure_ventilator

 

It depends upon what your child will be exposed to. If in the Texas Rio Grande valley attending day care with a significant number of illegals, probably everything but the Hepatitis shot (assuming you and your wife are not drug addicts or into prostitution).

If keeping the baby at home and living away from out-of-country vectors, then I wouldn't do a thing the first year until their own system settles out.

Having 5 kids, we avoided all shots the first year, breast fed mother's milk, and then picked selected shots that we felt were appropriate for where we lived.

 

Shoot'em up!

If he goes autistic at least he won't get the pox.

It's about priorities.

 

When I was a kid only 1 in 400 had autism. Now its 1-19 for boys. Heres one fact that I wish I knew. Amish children don't get autism. They don't take the vaccines. If I had it to do over again Id do everything in my power to keep them away from my kids.

 

Both those statements are false, Amish children can and do get vaccinations, it not outlawed by their religion, and they do get autism, the study that says they don't and it's because they don't get vaccinations is seriously flawed.

Google is your friend.

Rancher

 

I suggest you do your own study; list all the diseases that your baby is going to be vaccinated for.
Next to each disease, state what dangers it poses (e.g. from minor sniffles to death).
Next to each disease, list the likelihood that baby will come into contact with a carrier of that disease before age 1, 2, etc.
Next to each disease, list the possible side effects of the vaccine.
Now use your own common sense to decide what vaccines are required and when.

Some of the work has been done for you:

Against vaccines:
Vaccine Illusion - Kindle edition by Tetyana Obukhanych. Professional & Technical Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Possibly For vaccines?:
Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality: Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines, Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice, Institute of Medicine, Kathleen Stratton, Andrew Ford, Erin Rusch, Ellen Wright Clayton: 9780309214353: Amazon.com: Books

I'll warn you that the second book is expensive and you'll need a PhD in medicine to understand it. I'm even struggling to understand the conclusions. Here's an example for MMR:-
Adverse event: Measles inclusion body encephalitis.
Epidemiologic Assessment: Insufficient.
Mechanistic Assessment: Strong (measles in individuals with demonstrated immunodeficiencies).
Causality Conclusions: Convincingly supports (in individuals with demonstrated immunodeficiencies).

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this but it appears to be stating that they found evidence that the MMR vaccine can cause measles. Isn't that what it's supposed to prevent? And ask yourself whether an infant might have immunodeficiencies.

 

I suggest you do your own study; list all the diseases that your baby is going to be vaccinated for.
Next to each disease, state what dangers it poses (e.g. from minor sniffles to death).
Next to each disease, list the likelihood that baby will come into contact with a carrier of that disease before age 1, 2, etc.
Next to each disease, list the possible side effects of the vaccine.
Now use your own common sense to decide what vaccines are required and when.

Some of the work has been done for you:

Against vaccines:
Vaccine Illusion - Kindle edition by Tetyana Obukhanych. Professional & Technical Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

Possibly For vaccines?:
Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality: Committee to Review Adverse Effects of Vaccines, Board on Population Health and Public Health Practice, Institute of Medicine, Kathleen Stratton, Andrew Ford, Erin Rusch, Ellen Wright Clayton: 9780309214353: Amazon.com: Books

I'll warn you that the second book is expensive and you'll need a PhD in medicine to understand it. I'm even struggling to understand the conclusions. Here's an example for MMR:-
Adverse event: Measles inclusion body encephalitis.
Epidemiologic Assessment: Insufficient.
Mechanistic Assessment: Strong (measles in individuals with demonstrated immunodeficiencies).
Causality Conclusions: Convincingly supports (in individuals with demonstrated immunodeficiencies).

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this but it appears to be stating that they found evidence that the MMR vaccine can cause measles. Isn't that what it's supposed to prevent? And ask yourself whether an infant might have immunodeficiencies.

The largest factor here is that the infant here (and in another study about MIBE) were both immunodeficient. Patients that are immunocompmoromised should NEVER be given live attenuated vaccines. This is a big no no in medicine. The vaccine only directly prevents the disease in non-immunodeficient patients. That said MIBE is a rare disease and usually occurs in non-vaccinated patients.
If your child shows no symptoms of chronic illness I would vaccinate them.

One of the biggest reasons to vaccinate non-immunodeficent people is so the immunodeficient and those that suffer from severe egg allergies do not come into contact with the causative agent as often (i.e. Herd immunity).

 

Nothing to do with infants but here's a book that was written by a friend of mine after he finally recovered from the effects of a vaccination:

Malcolm is a little unwell - Kindle edition by Malcolm Brabant. Professional & Technical Kindle eBooks @ Amazon.com.

 

Congratulations, kids are awesome I have a 14 month son my self and went down the whole gamut your about to go down with vaccines, initially my wife was against them because of some things she'd heard from friends while I was rather uninformed on the whole issue and didn't really have an opinion.

kokosmom2 has great advice. For us personally we heavily researched the whole issue which is what I highly recommend you do, use common sense and get your information from reputable sources. At the end of the day your dealing with the life of a small child which is a really big responsibility and quite the heavy weight.

In our case, my son got all of his shots, he also was breast feed and stayed for the first year on an organic all natural diet. He's healthy, happy, and a little bundle of energy.

For me my big thing was the resurgence of all these diseases we used to not have going right along with the anti-vaxxer movement. Couple that with the fact that any type of medical procedure is going to have risks just like driving your car has risks but you still do it because the benefit is greater then the risk. Lastly I wouldn't have been able to live with my self if my son had died from some thing that could have been prevented by me simply having him get a vaccine.

But to each their own, these types of debates often get very heated and emotional. I try to stay away from that stick to the facts and at the end of the day the choice is on the individual, because the reality is that the argument can go both ways for or against, in the end every person is different and what works for me might not work for you.

 

My wife convinced me to not give our kids vaccines when they were really young. And then there was a measles outbreak in Salt Lake City and even though we lived up in Logan at the time we immediately went and got them up to date. There is a lot of conflicting "evidence" out there. Seems that most of the negative info says that it will stunt your childs growth or they will become developementally disabled. The way I see it is I would rather my child be developementally disabled than die from a preventable disease. Plus I got all of my vaccines when I was a child and it didn't effect didn't effect didn't effect me at all.

 

Congratulations!

Since you are looking for opinions I will put in my thoughts. I had written a pretty long response in the 'Quick Reply' box but it disappeared so I'll keep this short.

In short: Vaccinate

#1 - Might have issues going to public school without them

#2 - Vaccines reduce the risk of serious illness during a very susceptible period of your child's life. As already mentioned, little kiddo immune systems are not as strong as an adults (Breast Feed to get some passive immunity! - Thanks Mom!).

Common bacteria like hemophilus influenza (Hib) and pneumococcus (PCV) cause cause life threatening infections in young children (less than 1 year old). I mention common, because unlike other disease vaccinated for, these two bugs are all over the place. Adults generally shake this off no problem (like yourself not needing to see a doc). But in a kiddo, these infections can cause death. Hib can cause epiglottitis. Epiglottitis is inflammation of the upper airway - in adults generally just a sore throat - in kids it means such violent inflammation that there airway swells closed. I saw it once in an unvaccinated 2 year old, she died because no one could secure an airway. Hib and Pneumococcus can cause sepsis and meningitis in the little kiddos, again because their immune systems suck. Meningitis can mean permanent disability (if diagnosed and treated) or death due to overwhelming infection. These two bugs are scary. They are common, adults have them, older kids might get them, little kids can die with them.

Polio, measles, mumps, rubella. All uncommon. You may say "so what". But they are uncommon in the typical US population because of Vaccines! Other parts of the world are not as fortunate. We all know the image of the iron lung, Polio is bad. Its still out there, and it is still in the US, but preventable by a few shots. MMR can cause life threatening brain infections in the unvaccinated. Again, used to be commonly seen in little kids (I call them 'snotbags' for a reason), but herd immunity has done wonders. Even worse, if little unvaccinated Johnny comes home from school and rubs some MMR virus on pregnant Mommy (who was vaccinated), the unborn child is at risk for birth defects...

#3 - Opposition sites the Autism argument, which I do not find to be reasonable or scientifically sound.

Just some background. If you couldn't tell, I'm an ER doc. I'm also Uncle to an amazing kid who happens to be on the Autism spectrum, and married to a beautiful wife who teaches special education and children with autism.
Vaccines prevent disease, its a fact (Smallpox, Polio, Pneumococcus, Hib, MMR - all down because of vaccines), no more is needed to be said there.

There is no scientific data that shows that vaccines cause Autism. There are some articles (as in scientific, peer-reviewed journal articles) published that suggested it, but the science is flawed and the conclusions are overstated in my opinion. This notion has been sensationalized in the media and internet, but has no grounding other than opinion and anecdote. Association does not mean causation. Going by a police lock-up on St. Patty's day and seeing that being in cuffs is associated with wearing a green shirt, does not mean that if I wear green I'm gonna be a criminal.

Autism is much more common today. Many who would not have been diagnosed even 15 years ago will be diagnosed today partly because it is more publicly known.

Another concern is that your child might get the disease from the vaccine. People always seem to mention the "live" vaccines. Unless you are immunocompromised "live" vaccines will not be an issue. Your kid might get the sniffles and a fever afterwords, that just means its working (an immune response has been triggered and your kids immune system is developing antibodies and memory).

I would vaccinate. In my mind the risk of serious infection that is life threatening to my child far outweighs the risk that is based on opinion and not science that vaccines may cause autism or some other... who knows what the next thing will be....

Just some things to add after reading other posts:
Amish aren't vaccinated and don't get autism - they also don't seek routine medical care as often and family members aren't as well informed on autism because they don't read the internet or see the sensationalized stores in the media - if they do have autism they are MUCH less likely to be diagnosed...

The medical industry only cares about money and NOT the well being of its 'customers.' Maybe some truth in regard that money drives everything. But with that logic you may as well remove the antibiotic stocks from your preps...

 

Always proceed slowly for anything that can't be undone.

 

Probably one of the best quotes I've ever seen here. Thanks for that. :thumb:

 

umm, no...

... doctors are not lying to you. Neither are they sell outs to Big Pharma. They actually don't make very much money (considering their level of training), compared to many others. If I wanted to get paid well without as much education, I would have went into the trades (of course they do work very hard and are highy sklled ... I'm just saying that route is more "efficient" than medical school if you want to be a highly paid blue collar worker). For the white collar route, I guess investment banking might be the way to go. Or become an entrepreneur if you aren't risk averse.

Re: "Why are Americans dumb / fat / sick?" ... it seems to have more to do with widespread moral decreptitude and a habit of sitting on the sofa eating Cheetos and watching reality television.

Re: "Vaccines are bad" ... like the post with the Polio victims and the iron lung ward ... look at history over the past 100 years.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4829a1.htm

The two greatest reasons your children are not dead and you are living into your 80's are: sanitation and vaccination.

When patients tell me they "don't believe" in vaccines, I tell them this is analogous to saying they don't believe in flush toilets. And then I tell them if they want to see a Naturopath they are welcome to do so, but they should probably find a different family doctor.