[cwi555]

You are attempting thought and logic. What you believe is irrelevant to them. The only 'right' you have in their eyes is to die. This is where liberals lose touch with reality. These animals would rather cut your head off, or bury you up to your neck and stone you to death.

You cannot appeal to their sense of humanity as they have none. Remember we are talking about animals that believe suicide bombing is an honorable action. These animals kidnap and kill women who fail to convert. If they do convert, they are sold like sheep as slave wives.

Liberal arguments ring hollow in the face of animals without humanity.

I notice some people tend to skip over #1 on a list:
1st commandment - Thou shalt not kill
1st amendment - Freedom of religion
I believe each individual has the right to defend their person or property from a direct and imminent threat. I don't believe a group of people have the God-given right or the legal right to murder, at will, fellow American citizens, no matter their race, gender, sexual, religious or political affiliations.

 

[LibShooter]

Ever heard of these folks? Also known as the Flying Tigers.

I think the OP is suggesting something a bit different than a modern day American Volunteer Group. The Flying Tigers were in China at the invitation of the Chinese government and were organized and equipped by the U.S. Government.

If I understand AJ's proposal, it would be a few hundred Americans operating in Iraq and Syria with equipment and supplies bought with their own money to engage ISIS forces. It's not specifically against U.S. law to kill foreign people in foreign lands.

However, I think dealing with U.S. law would be the least of your worries. Without an established supply chain it's likely you would run out of beans and bullets pretty quickly. I doubt you'll get much help from local folks. I'm afraid most of the guys would end up killed in action or wearing an orange jumpsuit starring in an ISIS video.

 

[missbettypage]

Stay safe Andrew! I may not be American (UK) but the good that your guys and gals do affects me just as much and i'm very grateful for that!

It's such a shame that TPTB have their head's shoved so far up their asses that this would even be an option! Bring back a Commander in Chief that's actually served and knows how to lead from the front!


\m/ Samantha \m/

 

[Snuggle Monkey]

Isn't ISIS pretty successful at this?

With U.S. aid.....Yes they are.

 

[Undertheradar21]

Isn't ISIS pretty successful at this?

They altered their operational plans as they acquired equipment, they didn't begin launching full-scale conventional assaults with light arms and hope they got the "good stuff".

 

[vamatt]

ISIS has been designated a terrorist orgainization. Americans who fight with, or otherwise aid ISIS are subject to being proscecuted for a variety of terrorism charges. The average sentence seems to be about 10-15 years for the general fighters. More if the person was going to commit a specific terror attack.

The key concept is whether or not the host group has been designated a terrorist orgainization. This might apply to whether the host nation has been designated as a terrorist state.

IF the host group has not been designated a terrorist orgainization, then the person seems to be in the clear. Americans serve in the Foreign Legion with out worry. Americans have fought in Ukraine (Kiev side, fighter was recently killed) and any number of other places.

As a trivia side note, service in the FFL is technically a form of high grade private security contract. Legionaires do not swear loyalty to France per se. They do, however, swear to follow all Legions orders- which pretty much amounts to serving French interests any time and in any place. The Legion also traditionally allows men to "opt out" of fighting their countrymen. Evidently, most Legionaires bond so closely with their regiment, that very few, if any use the opt out option.

Serving in the FFl also guarantees French citizenship at the end of the enlistment period. It is a way to wipe the slate clean. The FFl is also an elite fighting force.

 

[OldBlackWater]

I just saw a report somewhere about US Veterans now freelance warriors who are fighting alongside the Kurds against ISIS.

Probably a better situation to be imbedded with the indigenous anyway rather than as an invading army. They KNOW who the bad guys are.

Heck if I were younger I'd do it, I'd even do it today if the right opportunity presented itself.

Might actually feel like I would be making a difference in making the world a little safer for my Grandchildren. Rather than sit here watching our country be destroyed from within.

OBW
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[Cryptkeeper]

So as I sit here over in the sandbox with stupid ROEs, ISIS stirring up trouble in the Middle East, and the militias in the states raising their presence on the southern border I kinda started thinking...

What would be the ramifications of forming a private army with the sole purpose of going ham on some hadji terrorist organizations. A group with no libtard government oversight. No careerist officer or staff ncos so worried about their fitreps that they deny you sending some scum to meet allah. Just rough men getting a terrible job that needs getting done accomplished.

Would a group like this be considered a terrorist organization even though the only people they would be terrorizing would be terrorists themselves?

Would it even be feasible to get a group of ****ed off Americans to go overseas and actually bring the fight for real to these jackwagons knowing there would be no pay, limited resources, no health insurance, no college benefits, and probable death dealing with the 30k plus ISIS?

Keep in mind this is a mental exercise of an overworked, ****ed off grunt sitting in Afghan on my monthly day off.

Its already being done.

 

[George Newbill]

Mercenaries are a fact of life, the "legality" of activities in places WROL is nebulous at best. The US Gov is the world's largest employer of Mercenaries so what was the question again?

 

[Fenrell]

IMO the US government would lower the boom on any such group, hard. Uncle Sam is a jealous master and he doesn't like armed forces outside his direct control. I'm confident prosecutions would result under any number of pretexts should a private group openly begin waging war in a foreign country.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

IMO the US government would lower the boom on any such group, hard. Uncle Sam is a jealous master and he doesn't like armed forces outside his direct control. I'm confident prosecutions would result under any number of pretexts should a private group openly begin waging war in a foreign country.

The U.S. gov does what the corp. tell it to do. Corparations rule this country for years now. Many of the mercenaries headquaters are in the U.S. because the Corp hire them to do their dirty work. watch the video I linked and this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvRCSz0LjMM

 

[Fenrell]

If what you say is true, the corporations wouldn't rely on ragtag volunteer groups, they would force the US government to bring the full might of the US military to bear, like in Iraq or Afghanistan.

 

[Baddogg5]

my son is in the US Army and all the Army has told him is they are going to have to go back to Iraq to kill Isis
when I told him about a merc force to do it that I heard about on TV he said
"well maybe there might be some contractors but I'm sure I'll be going"
I said " I wish I was going with you to watch your back"
he said " that would be sick cuz your a ruthless bastard and you can shoot. but you know it don't work that way,your just going to have to trust God"
after I hung up the phone I thought " aint I the one who is supposed to be telling him to trust God"
just thought i'd share that

 

[Cryptkeeper]

If what you say is true, the corporations wouldn't rely on ragtag volunteer groups, they would force the US government to bring the full might of the US military to bear, like in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Why in the world would they do that? That would put an end to a very good money makeing operation.

 

[catmando]

throughout american history, there have been "volunteer" organizations that were basically private armies..
remember the 1st american volunteer division in ww1?
or the volunteers that went to fight in Gurnica spain ( prelude to ww2)
or the Flying tigers volunteers that were pilots fighting the japanese in the burma theatre?

i think that this is a great idea...
its too bad im too old otherwise id go

 

[Baddogg5]

I notice some people tend to skip over #1 on a list:
1st commandment - Thou shalt not kill
1st amendment - Freedom of religion
I believe each individual has the right to defend their person or property from a direct and imminent threat. I don't believe a group of people have the God-given right or the legal right to murder, at will, fellow American citizens, no matter their race, gender, sexual, religious or political affiliations.

the Ist Commandment is...thou shall have no other gods

 

[Baddogg5]

Eveytime you quote the bible I laugh. Your mental retardation amuses me. If you knew anything you would know that the proper translation of that commandment is thou shall not murder. Murder and killing are two different things. One is justified the other isn't.

she's not retarded......she is pot stirring............she just hates America because of ancient history where some nut jobs used the Bible wrong and hurt her ancestors.......which is sad and it was wrong but God punished those who used his name to do evil............but that's why she is a lib

 

[Fenrell]

Why in the world would they do that? That would put an end to a very good money makeing operation.

Because there is far more money to be had controlling the area's resources than there is in selling small arms to a limited number of combatants. Get with the program!

The Iraqi and Syrian governments, such as they are, at least play ball with the corporations. The religious zealots not so much.

 

[JoshTF]

my son is in the US Army and all the Army has told him is they are going to have to go back to Iraq to kill Isis
when I told him about a merc force to do it that I heard about on TV he said
"well maybe there might be some contractors but I'm sure I'll be going"
I said " I wish I was going with you to watch your back"
he said " that would be sick cuz your a ruthless bastard and you can shoot. but you know it don't work that way,your just going to have to trust God"
after I hung up the phone I thought " aint I the one who is supposed to be telling him to trust God"
just thought i'd share that

I'm an Army Grunt my self, just finishing up a tour in Afghanistan. I can tell you the rumors about us going back to Iraq at this time are just that rumors. Could it happen yes, but currently I strongly doubt it will. Our president ran on the premise of getting us out of Iraq, it would be one real big fiasco for him if he ended out his term not even having been able to do that.

What I could see happening is the buck getting passed down the line and the next president having to deal with sending US troops back to the area. But really that's all just speculation at this point. What I do know is that most of the guys my self included are itching to go back over there and actively telling one another that we will be over there again soon in more of a speculative hope it happens kind of way.

As for the whole getting on a plan and joining up to fight ISIS. It's rather do able to be honest at least logistically. It would have to be small in scale at least at first, but for a few thousand I could fly over to Iraq, buy weapons, buy gear, and link up with some Peshmerga. I haven't been to Iraq in 5 years, but I doubt to much has changed.

Now for a group of 200 some odd dudes you would run into some logistical issues but for one or two, prior military guys, you'd probably be welcomed with open arms. All the Kurds I worked with loved Americans, way better then the Afghans that's for sure.

If I was single and didn't have a kid I'd do it in a heart beat, if any thing just to finish what we started over there. I can remember leaving Iraq in 08 and we already saw the hand writing on the wall, sad thing is we're doing the same thing in Afghanistan, the area I fought for last tour is now a Taliban strong hold after we pulled out, and the area I was in this current tour will probably be one with in six months.

 

[real wowwee]

As others have mentioned it wasn't uncommon for Americans to be in volunteer units in other countries before the U.S.A. officially entered the fray. The middle east is such a duck soup though who would want to be "sponsored" by any of the official states?

Private Americans have in the past used private armies to take over entire countries. Several other plots to go after Cuba and Brazil were mulled over more than once. Heavily outnumbered mercenary units from South Africa pretty much cleaned Angloa's clock.


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