My neighbor is a DEA Supervisor who provided security for animal rescue folks in New Orleans after Katrina. Late one day they saw about 12 dogs stranded on an overpass. 2 of the dogs were pitbulls. It was late, so they decided to come back the next day and rescue the dogs.

They came back the next morning, the 2 pitbulls were the only ones alive, they had killed the rest of the dogs.

Yeah, other dogs kill too, but..........................................

 

That was a dog eat dog survival situation the fact that you are on this site shows that you would do the same thing... Maybe the other dogs started running their mouths but couldn't back it up? I'm not trying to fight just thinking too much maybe.

My grandparents have a HUGE mean looking pit who is super smart and super nice.
My black lab is dumb as rocks and bites people (I love him but i'm not joking)

 

Sounds like a made for scifi channel movie. You feelin ok? You usually make a lot more sense than that.

 

Think. It's all that's required.

Someone wise said a while back.....

A LOT of preppers are NOT going to make it. Miscalculations and over-confidence are two of the main reasons I believe that's true.

Instead of making a sniping remark then hiding, explain your position and offer reasons as to why I'm wrong. I believe you are wrong. I CCW but still....if I get attacked by one or more pitbulls, I realize that getting to my pistol and actually getting in effective shots before it can get my throat or arm is the difference between fantasy and reality. If it's more than one, the situation gets worse real fast. And I have training.

 

Pits are trained to not like other dogs but not people they love people, when you have any kind of dog and they get running in packs, they get that pack mentality and become very aggressive. Pitbulls are not a worry relax. Best breed of dog there is, most likely dog to protect you and give its live far yours by for. Worry about the people, pits will not be a problem, I've owned them for 30 years and never seen any bad behavior towards people but they don't like other dogs, unless you teach them too.
Like I said best breed of dog period.

 

Pits are trained to not like other dogs but not people, when you ha e any kind of dog and they get running in packs, they get that pack mentality and become very aggressive. Pitbulls are not a worry relax. Best breed of dog there is, most likely dog to protect you and give its livefor yours by for. Worry about the people, pits will not be a problem, I've owned them for 30 years and never seen any bad behavior towards people but they don't like other dogs, unless you teach them too.
Like I said best breed of dog period.

Ok...no worries....

California authorities use helicopter in search for 4 pit bulls suspected of killing jogger

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/10/california-jogger-apparently-mauled-to-death-by-4-pit-bulls/



Georgia toddler killed by family pit bull inside home

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/25/toddler-dies-in-south-metro-atlanta-dog-attack/

Cops kill pit bull after severe attack on Mount Olive owners

http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2013/03/cops_kill_pit_bull_after_sever.html


Do this...GOOGLE...."PITBULL ATTACK" There's a lot of it going on. You might be surprised.

Then get back to me. People, if you can't get your heads out of the sand, how do you think you're gonna survive shtf?
Does anyone have any clue as to how many pitbulls there are? Comfortably...MILLIONS.

If I'm really off track here I welcome an "intelligent" correction. Just show me facts to back it up and use logical arguments.

 

I also think you usually make rally good points and like your way of thinking, but I don't think you have much personal experience with these dogs. They are very good with people, but not other dogs, any group ofdogs running in packs is very dangerous. They become wild just like a pack of coyote or wolf's. Any pack of dogs will be a problem I agree, but it won't matter what kind of dogs they are. Get you a couple of pits and don't worry about it because they will die to protect you from them.

 

I have owned pitbulls probably before you were born. I have also worked at rescue centers and have SAVED MANY pitbulls from really nasty situations.

So, yeah, I know pitbulls.

I don't blame the animal. It is what it is. I blame our society for breeding too many POS people who get them for the wrong reason or breed them for the wrong reason or who put them in fragile fences next to day care centers or on the path to elementary schools.

Some of the people "defending" pitbull ownership do so because what they are not telling you is they are involved in fighting them.

I have watched pitbull attacks in person. I have stepped INTO actual pitbull attacks between dogs to stop them. I have cared for them, rescued them and gone through great lengths to help them.

But at the end of the day, they are animals capable of being deadly and aggression is in their disposition. Yes, they can be loving gentle animals also. I've seen tigers that could be petted. But I wouldn't have one as a pet.

I think this is a real issue that thought needs to be given to. I'm not making up all these stories of pitbull attacks. They are real...and people including children are dying needlessly.

Unlike a gun, a pitbull CAN indeed kill all by itself. I'm not advocating against all dogs or because of an occasional isolated incident here or there. The pitbull problem is growing and people are dying.

Also for those thinking of comparing my argument to the gun debate....just stop. Gun violence is declining. Pitbull attacks do not appear to be declining.

 

People breed animals to be superior killers, then they go and kill people... go figure.

 

I would never fight a dog, I just despise dog fighting I am an animal lover they are like my kids. But I just know that they are not as you think, no more dangerous than any ather dog to people. Any pack of dogs will be dangerous. We will just have to disagree. No disrespect meant we just ha e different views on this, have a good one.

 

PP...you really need to look up the facts before you say this.

Statistics prove that the majority of violent dog attacks are Pitbulls.

It's in the statistics.

 

They get a bullet just like any other threat.

How do they taste?

 

That's what I was thinking.

 

SHTF domestic dogs wont be around long. Without hand outs or a dump to scavenge from they will just starve to the point of a disease killing them. Also, they are not proficient hunters like cats are.

Besides 12 gauge with 00 buck is a very good Pitt Bull eliminator. We had a problem with that here for about 3 weeks after the drug dealer down the road had a house fire and left the dogs when he moved on. They got skinny as hell in just 3 weeks and then got lead poisoning.

 

But the more desperate they are, the more dangerous.

Dogs are euthanized here in Afghanistan daily for that very reason.

 

While its true that larger dogs, including but not limited to pit bulls cause the most deaths, they are NOT the most frequent biters. That would be Cocker Spaniels followed by Dachshunds and Chihuahuas.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_breed_of_dog_has_the_most_documented_cases_of_biting_people_nationwide
http://ezinearticles.com/?Consider-Which-Dog-Breeds-Are-Most-Likely-To-Bite-When-Choosing-Your-Puppy&id=5690491
I had a friend who has Pits and Great Danes (2 of each) and (had) one Dachshund. The Dachshund was put down after it took 2 of her fingers.

 

The MAIN DIFFERENCE being, most people can swat off Cocker Spaniels, Dachshunds and Chihuahuas...then go get a bandaid.

Pit Bulls bites usually leads to hospitalization + reconstructive surgery or straight to the morgue.

The Center for Disease Control & Prevention cites Pit Bulls being responsible for over 65% of all serious injuries and fatalities caused by dogs....not little Chi Hau Hau nips that you're trying to argue here.

 

Truth...I owned pitbulls in my early years.
Truth...If SHTF, pitbulls will be shot on sight as will any other stray I see on my property or those surrounding.
My dogs were obedient as far as pitbulls go. I had them trained on a shock collar, but there were still triggers (like cats, racoons, and opposums) that would send the dogs into a rage no matter how much electricity I shot through them. They are too powerful to allow free-roaming. Just like you have to shoot a nuisance bear. Put them down before they kill.

 

Very well said.

In a SHTF situation, no stray dog could be trusted. Pit bulls would be trusted even less.

 

Well? Once again we have something other than the usual "We love our beautiful Fido" thread about the harsh reality of domestic canines.
No real surprise. Another really good reason for concealed or open carry.
I know a lot of people just live for their dogs. Honestly? Walking them every day is just about the only real exercise some folks get. They do provide companionship and protection for some. They are a real asset on a ranch or farm.

Unfortunately the vast majority of domestic canines are noisy, obnoxious $#%& eating hazards. The amount of time, effort and especially money some owners spend on them is one of the most serious wastes of resources western society embraces.

Right now with an intact infrastructure and the necessary logistics to support "Dogs are US" or whatever other stores support their continued presence among us remain, we will have more problems.

AFTER TSHTF????? Well? All I can say is they will not be welcome under any circumstances in my Area of Operations.

Dealing with them and eliminating them is a serious part of my and many others preperations. I am planning on it.

Welcome to Wyoming.:

 

Insert " the owners of " before every referal to canines and you got the answer. Yes I agree packs will be a concern ut additionally a domestic animal can serve varied and important services Before, during and after SHTF. The bad owners will always be a problem Before, during and after and quite honestly I am more concerned about that type of individual roaming than any pack of animals. period. period.

 

IMHO Pitbulls get a bad rap, kinda like how all gun-owners are judged after a lunatic with a gun commits a horrific crime.
Pitbulls are a breed that is often trained by people to be overly aggressive and fight. I do look at pitbulls on the loose a lot more cautiously than other dogs, and I always try and judge a dogs temperment by they way they act and approach you. All animals are like that. There are some breeds of dogs that are known to be alot more gentle, but they can also be dangerous. I got attacked and bitten as a child by a Collie.

I own a pitbull mix. She is the most playful and affectionate dog I have ever owned. She plays "rough" with me and bites me, but is always very careful in her play biting and never is too hard. She is a character!! I also have a Lab, but we can't play like that with her, as even though she wants to play like that, she doesn't understand how to play bite gentle and she bites hard. Go figure.....

I agree with the OP's assertion that there will be problems in a SHTF situation with packs of dogs, but I don't think it will just be packs of pitbulls. Dogs are really not as racial selective as people are and don't really just stay with thier own kind like people do. There are certain physical characteristics that do vary with the breeds, IE Pitbulls are definately more muscular than most breeds.

I think in a SHTF scenario, we will need to be concerned about packs of dogs, and even packs of feral cats, but the biggest concerning animal is the human animal.

 

As I said earlier....if it's not on a leash, I don't care what breed it is, then it's dead meat. Plain and simple. I've seen what a dog pack can do to livestock. Not because they were hungry or starving but just for the "fun" of it. Once had a single Husky type dog totally shred four rabbit cages full of rabbits wiping out half the rabbits and litters I had and then tried to attack my wife. Fortunately our German Shepherd protected my wife and she also had a pitchfork, but just the same, feral dogs are going to be a problem.

Also if you have fowl of any type feral cats will probably be an issue as well. And something I'm sure nobody has even considered are the zoo animals that may be out and about because some PITA idiot will let them FREE so they don't die of starvation in their cages.

So add to feral dogs and cats, lions, leopards, cheetahs, hyenas, baboons and a plethora of dangerous creatures not to mention poisonous snakes and all the other fun stuff we've allowed into this country and are held in zoos. Then add to that all the private little personal zoos full of large cats, snakes, spiders and so on!

What a mess! Sure a lot of zoo animals won't survive, but A LOT WILL!! And don't think just because the critter was a tropical resident it won't find a way to survive in North America. There's a colony of parrots that live in Chicago of all places. Nature finds a way.

 

And something I'm sure nobody has even considered are the zoo animals that may be out and about because some PITA idiot will let them FREE so they don't die of starvation in their cages.

This. Sir. You just gave me another worry for when TSHTF. The good size of it, is that those PETA idiots would probably be the first meal for the tigers they wanted to free.

 

Over the years here in the UK we've had some dramatized headlines about "Devil Dogs" often referring to dogs such as Pitbulls, Rottweilers, Dobermans and Staffordshire bull terriers.

Mostly it's BS imho the rescue centers are full of dogs that fail the hardman image, due to the scroats who buy these dogs based on reputation getting miffed when Butch rolls over for a tummy tickle.

How about some Pitbull heros for balance? http://bslnews.org/pit-bull-heroes-hall-of-fame/

Or a truely aggressive dog the Cocker Spaniel http://www.petsugar.com/Study-Shows-English-Cocker-Spaniel-Worlds-Meanest-Dog-3197260

A recent study by the School of Veterinary Medicine at the University of Barcelona shows more reported cases of aggression by the English Cocker Spaniel than any other breed,

 

It's all Sarah McLachlan's fault... LOL

 

Seems that pitbulls divide people into two camps; those that hate them and those that love them. I'm in the middle. I think pitbulls are a badass looking dog that are definitely an asset as many dogs are. However due to the amount of *******s that get dogs like that then do not train them, or train them to be vicious, i think we see many bad cases and many cases where the bad genes are bred into the dog. I've heard cases of pitbulls attacking but I've also heard of many other dogs attacking people. My wife almost had her face taken off by a Dalmatian as a kid, and my neighbor's German Shepard came after us one day while out for a walk. A friend of my wife's also had a pit growing up. Was absolutely in love with the dog and took him everywhere with him. Then one day the dog snapped and bit part of his calf muscle off. Again, I think that is a case of genetics. If people would train their dogs properly, I think many of the stories we hear would not happen. As for me, would I get a pit? Nah, I'm more partial to retrievers, Goldens, maybe a Lab, or a Chessie, but that's me. As far as badass go, pits are cool, but I think Dogos are even cooler. Just my two cents. And OP, we will have to worry about dogs, but remember, after a major SHTF, any hungry dog, will end up a vicious dog......

 

The problem with pits is not its inherently dangerous demeanor, it is the pit's capability to inflict serious damage. They have a high pain tolerance and are extremely strong, but this applies to other breeds as well.

Also, it is a VERY common breed, especially in lower income households, who might not have the means to take care of them post SHTF.

I am never comfortable when I am around a dog where I am not confident that I can take out with my hands and feet. A large pit is one, and so are many other breeds.

Disclaimer: I own a 'pit' type breed, but a small one.

 

I find it humerous that peope are so scared of pitbulls post SHTF, when you think about it logically, how many of them are there?

Theres 4,500,000 pit bulls in the US, 311,000,000 people.

I know what would scare me the most.

 

"fight4freedom" as a screen name but posting such a bigoted troll like freedom taking thread...


pack of vicious dogs post SHTF = dinner...

 

"fight4freedom" as a screen name but posting such a bigoted troll like freedom taking thread...
pack of vicious dogs post SHTF = dinner...

A number of people lost their children to pitbull attacks recently.
Tell them that.

Pitbulls are (according to the CDC) attributed to more human deaths than all other dog breeds combined.

Is this bigotry or fact? By your standard, the CDC is bigoted as well.

Do you know the difference?

Have you ever attended or participated in ANY form of pitbull fighting?

 

For all the people that think its not the dog, go to live leak and type in pitbull. You can watch them tear into people and animals. If i needed these dogs for hunting, i would get them for that but i think theyre a serious liability in a residential area and most people have zero knowledge but like the status or some BS.

I grew up next door to a pitbull. The dog was the only dog that ever attacked another dog the years i lived there and it put them all in the vets office after dragging them around, it liked to drag them under cars where people couldnt stop it. They are great at what they do, kill and they wag their tails while doing so because its what they were bred to do.

A buddy of mine just had surgery to repair his bicep after getting between the neighbors pit in front of his house and his dogs, the first encounter with the dog was after it entered his home and he physically threw it out of the house. Ive seen these dogs bust threw locked storm doors.

If people really cared about them, the pounds wouldnt be full of them.

Im not saying ban them but as i posted in another thread, i carry my G23 for thugs and pits and wont hesitate to put one down.

I also took a class on dogs and was bit by a pit as a training session. The teacher stated she owned one and advised people to not own them unless they were very skilled in that breed as they are so dangerous.

 

I shoot all pit bulls on sight.

 

What a very nice person you must be for doing that.

I for one salute you.

 

I used to live by a guy whom was suspected by the local authorities of fighting his Pit bulls,They were usually gone on the week ends and returned late on Sunday all tore up with obvious wounds indicative of fighting.
These dogs were left chained up in his yard to trees. They frequently broke their chains and wandered around in my neighborhood. There were many calls to animal control and of course they never could do anything about it. The local sheriffs dept had numerous visits with these folks and couldn't do anything. They told me and my neighbors if one of these dogs was threatening or attacking a child or adult we were free to shoot the dog if necessary. I know these dogs are only doing what they were bred to do and influenced by their human masters. I blame the dogs owners, sadly people like this seldom get arrested and charged with animal cruelty or for fighting them. I have known people with Pits that were very laid back and probably wouldn't hurt a fly. But with the breeds tendency to be deadly, in the event of a problem, I would shoot one without hesitation if I didn't know the dog.
If you insist upon owning an aggressive breed dog. You owe it to your animal and neighbors to keep it in an escape proof fenced yard with at least a 6ft chain link fence with measures taken to prevent the animal from digging under or climbing over the fence. If you think keeping any dog in a kennel is acceptable you shouldn't own a dog. Even worse is chaining a dog to a tree. Tell me to mind my own business or kiss my backside if you like but NO DOG should be left to roam or menace a neighborhood, possibly being killed by a car or shot by a neighbor.

 

I own three livestock guardian dogs (Anatolian Shepards) that are bigger than pit bulls. They are breed to protect my horses and sheep against stray dogs and coyotes. They do not wander around and they do not start fights with any person or animal.

But my big male Anatolian will stop any stray dog from attacking my livestock, and kill it if necessary. Even a large pit is no match.

Pits are not the best or geatest breed. They are simply good at what they do.

But what they do is brutalize other animals (including people) who are not part of their family.

Sorry, but in a SHTF situation I will shoot every strange dog on sight. If you love your pit, please keep it at home protecting your family because I don't want it over here.

 

I tend to agree with the camp that says, it is more the owners rather than the dogs.

That being said, we run livestock and we have four dogs. One is a keeshond that is a very good watchdog. She will bark if there is so much as a snake or something out of place. Other than bark though, she is'nt good for much. She makes the Hostile Native happy though and that is all that counts.

Another is my chihuahua, who is a little drama queen. Next is the mini australian shepherd who is too old to do much.

And last is our border collie that we use for working livestock. It is in her nature to chase and harass the cows and horses. For that reason when she is not in the house, or under our direct supervision, she is chained up outside. She has already killed a few chickens and that is our fault as we have not set it up to train her in that regard. Once I get a shock collar I will set her up. One of main reasons for keeping her chained though when we are'nt around though, is we dont want her chasing the cows and horses.

Our main problem though is neighbors dogs. There have been a number of 40acre ranchettes that have sold close to us and right after buying too many horses the next thing they get is a large outside dog they think should run loose. I dont know how many dogs we have shot for being in our pastures. We don't even give them an opportunity to chase the cows or calves, because by then the damage may have already been done. Lastyear I went to let the dogs out early one morning when a giant st bernard started chasing my little drama queen. I keep a rifle by the backdoor and grabbed it. The first shot hit the dog and he turned and came for me. I shot him four more times as he ran for me. I was using a 94 Winchester 30-30 using Hornady Lever-Evolution ammo. I was blowing chunks out of the SOB and he was still coming. Through the boiler room, a leg blown off, the gut, it did'nt matter. When a dog is attacking it is damned hard to tark careful aim. It was pure instinctual shooting. Finally and by pure luck, my fifth shot hit him in the head. I went and looked at him and all five of my shots hit him and should have put him down. That was a scary situation.

I think pitbulls could be a very real problem if things go south. I think many types of dogs will be a problem though. I remember seeing packs of wild dogs as a kid with as many as 25-30 dogs. These packs had everything from a little chihuahua to pitbulls and great danes. I would'nt have wanted to deal with the chihuahua anymore than I would have the pitbulls or danes. When they go wild I dont think there is much rehabiliting them. People dont worry about the smaller breeds and focus their attention on the pits and bigger breeds. All breeds will be a problem. We tend to already try and prepare by dropping every dog on our place that does'nt belong to us. It saves hurt or dead livestock for us and the cost of some suddenly high priced cattle for their owners.

Tex

 

My wife is from the Philippines, she can make any meat taste good.
Pit Bull adobo would probably taste good enough to make me forget the SHTF
for a little while.....:thumb:

 

Maybe if i get out to the peoples republic of MD, i could try it?