[bighanded]

tough guys when it's a little old lady ...full body tackle and pile on...

Katrina had so many LEO departments of one kind or another and they were so inconsistent..

some were ramped up and loving the adrenalin rush...pointing their rifles at citizens..blockades, car searches and siezures, etc.

other uniforms just took the oppty to go shopping along with the other looters

Bottom line in Katrina should have been that folks that took a few days off and got the heck out of town BEFORE the storm hit....they didn't have to live through this nightmare.

granted earthquakes etc...don't give the warning.

 

[Synical1]

Do we realize this thread was started more than 2 years ago? I'm glad to see it came back up though.

Do we realize that FEMA is a branch of DHS?

And, do we realize that there are already significant policies and systems in place to implement those dreaded FEMA camps?

Now, thanks to DHS, FEMA and the Taxpayers, every state and nearly every municipality has some sort of disaster plan that likely includes mass evacuations.

Here in central PA, we have a half dozen FEMA camps and they're called "reception centers". Sounds comforting, no?

Sadly, both my spouse and I work in "evacuation zones" and even though we're only a few miles apart, our "reception centers" are more than an hour away and even further apart than where we work.

But, the worst part is our residence is ~5 miles from where we work and not part of the evacuation zone.

 

[augoldminer]

the FEMA marking system is just a nation wide way to mark building in disaster areas and is used by fire departments nation wide because everyone understands the markings. if you are a volunteer form another area its very helpful.

my way to beat the system is to join the system by joining my local volunteer fire department.

 

[bobsmith]

My dad and I were discussing ways for urban and suburban survivalists to stay low and avoid any contact with FEMA.

as someone who has been in the middle of multiple disaster areas that have had FEMA response, your way of thinking is just plain stupid. FEMA is there to help save your life and or make recovery as painless as possible. they dont come wearing jackboots. show them your shelter is hjabiable, and you have necessary supplies and utilities and they will ba happy not to bother you. show them you ahve some sort of legitimate need for some reasonable supply they will try to get it to you. thats it. they arent going to try to convert you to islam or steal your children.

Like this lady here... she was trying to show them she had plenty of food, water and could protect herself and didn't want to go. The police tackled her and accused her of trying to threaten a police officer.

it's funny, because this forum is big on personal responsibility. all of those people who were stuck on their rooftops post katrina didnt take responsibility for themselves and let the coastguard or other first responders risk their life to go and save their asses. our first responders dont leave people behind. meaning as soon as it's safe to go out they put their lives at risk to save the lives of the fools who didnt listen to the MANDATORY evacuation orders. dont put their life at risk because you are too stubborn to protect your own.

 

[bobsmith]

But they can't force you to do anything.

i dont know about by you, but in florida the law is quite clear, once the governor declares a state of emergency he can delegate authority to enforce evacuations.

in texas you can get up to 180 days jail for not obeying a mandatory evacuation.

oh and back to florida, the law specificially states they cant round up firearms, but they can take a weapon from you IF you are commiting a crime, like ingoring a mandatory evacuation :thumb:

 

[.30-06]

I'd just recommend staying out of sight and not coming to the door. If you live in a rather large municipality i can't imagine FEMA spending more than 30 seconds to see if you answer the door before moving on to the next. My suggestion. Make it look like you evacuated already. Move your car(s) down the street/into the garage/into the backyard if at all possible . If you live in an area where you think they will try to come into your house. Hide in a location near by for a short time and when they're gone simply reoccupy your house.

Good Luck!

 

[BratetsKrolik]

I'd just recommend staying out of sight and not coming to the door. If you live in a rather large municipality i can't imagine FEMA spending more than 30 seconds to see if you answer the door before moving on to the next. My suggestion. Make it look like you evacuated already. Move your car(s) down the street/into the garage/into the backyard if at all possible . If you live in an area where you think they will try to come into your house. Hide in a location near by for a short time and when they're gone simply reoccupy your house.

Good Luck!

So what's a reasonable time to hide? Three days, a week? And how often do they recheck if someone is avoiding mandatory evacuation?

 

[kahn]

FEMA, maybe. FEMA, as an entity, is not known for its ability to force the citizens to do anything. Department of Homeland Security, on the other hand, it appears, is set to "enforce policy", if needed.

http://www.northcom.mil/About/index.html

Seems FEMA has invited foreign forces to participate, should the reliability of our own home forces be questionable...


http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

That's how civil wars start..... i won't hesitate for a second to shoot a foreign national that's oppressing US citizens...

 

[Gankom]

Most countries feel that way. Just look at Iraq and the stan. Nobody likes foreign soldiers in their homes.

FEMA on the other hand, often really is trying to help. There's probobly a couple of evil people in it, what organisation dosnt have them? Several of my family has had dealing with them and all of those turned out positive. Take everything, especially the warnings of doom and gloom, with a grain of salt.

 

[Susanna]

We had a mandatory evacuation recently, in an area in the path of a wildfire.

Did we tell the responders "(blank) you, Goon, I'm staying put"? He!! no. We got out. (Plus, our responders are also our friends and neighbors. Kinda like that small town stuff, ya know!)

There are times you gotta pick your battles. Against a responder giving you info and suggesting a course of action? Heck no, they're on my side. Against a jackbooted Heimlandt Sekurität thug? Possibly. Against Mom Nature? Are you kidding? She packs a whallop and fights for keeps!

All I am saying... know your situation, keep your opsec always, and know when you can make a stand, and when to utilize that BOB before they tell you 'You, that bag, and your gear are now Government property, surrender all firearms and ammo, and please step into the school bus..."

In most natural disasters - Katrina, our wildfire, a tsunami, etc. - you will have some advance warning IF you stay tuned into the world. However... Sone Emergencies - lets call them "Enforced Emergency Actions" - you may have little advance notice, so you need to be ready to do one of 3 things: Grab ol' BOB and scoot posthaste, have a plausible and critical position where they want you there, or be ready to board the bus to the "Relocation and Refugee" camp, er "shelter"...

And if you say "that'll never happen"... remember the Superdome.

 

[medic421]

I'm a local level EMC that has had a lot of interaction with FEMA due to disasters in my area. I am also on my state EMS task force and was deployed to assit with the Katrina disaster. In my local setting we CAN NOT force people to leave with a pending disaster even though we know that things are going to get bad. ie flooding events. We can only force evacuation after the governor declares a disaster, and that's usually to late. In our most recent flooding event we went door to door and recommended people to evacuate a low lying trailer court knowing that they were going to flood. One family out of 20 left while they still could drive out. 5 hours later ever other family called 911 to come get them out as their trailers were starting to be swept down stream. I almost lost 5 boat crew members while trying to rescue these people because they decided to stay. Our new policy: If a resident does not wish to evacuate hand them a marker and write their social security number on their arm so we can easily identify the body. Point is that as an emergency responder we are not there to cause you harm, we are there to help. We are not FEMA. By the time FEMA gets there, the disaster is pretty much over and are there to try to get people back on their feet. Case and point, the FEMA worker that assisted my parents with getting assistance was able to find an additional amount of money through a grant, which they did not have to pay back.

 

[IlikeSa]

Has anyone actually been to the FEMA website and taken any of the independent study courses? There area some really good courses there.

http://training.fema.gov/IS/crslist.asp?page=all

 

[Mr. America]

Here in central PA, we have a half dozen FEMA camps and they're called "reception centers". Sounds comforting, no?

Sounds sort of like the the jobs, hot meals, oh and "showers" that a certain group of people were promised as they were being beaten into cattle cars once upon a time.

 

[17HMRSniper]

- Fema and HLS need to be abolished.

 

[dontbuypotteryfromme]

- Fema and HLS need to be abolished.

Just let people work their own stuff out during a disaster?

 

[Pantagruel]

As an aside, If you post to this site, you can't lie-low. We've all got files on us.

I take pride in adding to government waste. Their keeping track of me is such a joke. If they raid me, it'll be like raiding a museum -- obsolete rifles, obsolete ammo. They'll arrest an old fart they'll have to buy meds for. They'll have to accommodate a grey-templed old bald **** who uses a cane.

By wasting time on me, maybe they'll miss some youth who believe in the Constitution and who'll live to make it to the other side of a SHTF world.

 

[Survivalguy72]

Swat teams.

If you don't want to talk to Fema don't call them.

 

[csogbk]

Foolishly Expecting Meaningful Aid