Saw that some time back. The fed is definetly getting way too intrusive, and Gestapo like, particularly the part about the IRS revoking passports. We all know how well the IRS works these days. The IRS part has not passed yet, so send a note to your representatives..

 

20 years from now we may just wonder why the old Soviet Union was thought to have had a record of oppression and lack of respect for civil liberties. Its all relative.

At least illegal aliens can still get drivers' licenses and register to vote, so not all civil liberties are dead. I feel so safe and secure now.

"Freedom is Slavery"

 

At least illegal aliens can still get drivers' licenses

Hello, have you been asleep at the wheel, many states will issue drivers' licenses to illegals.

Rancher

 

And yet, freedom of movement is a fundamental Constitutional Right...

 

My concern is if it passes muster legal sense with tsa, then even a 1st year law student should be able to say it sets precedent for interstate movement on ground, how long before truckers from those states are required to present them at weigh stations and down hill from there to average motorists.

 

I think we can all see where this is headed in the long run. One objection from the states that didn't comply was they were worried about the fed creating a national data base of all the people in the US. Of course that would include birth date, address and so on. It's info they already have, but it's not centralized..

If I remember correctly Texas had the same concern, but somehow the Feds convinced the authorities they wouldn't or the state managed to comply without making the citizens vulnerable. I'll have to see what I can find on it.

 

this is really ridiculous given the fact that the TSA brings illegals in the country with out any form of ID.

If you are illegal you have no worries on security. If you a citizen , well bend over.

 

That's easy. Just approach the TSA checkpoint and say, "Bienvenidos, amigo!"

 

It's just so typically stupid. Let's leave aside for a moment issues of freedom to travel, due process, IRS errors, etc. and just think about a simple little logical thing:

Let's say someone is late or legitimately on a 'bad taxpayer' list. Why would you restrict their ability to travel by air? it's more likely than not that such people travel at least party - if not wholly - for business. So if you affect their ability to earn a living, how do you expect to EVER collect on the debt.

In short, such a law is bad for all of us as both for what it would do to individuals running afoul of it and tax revenues; which - whatever we think of them - provide certain services to all of us.

Just so dumb. And for what? For an ID to be compliant with some dumb chip or hologram or something that really doesn't do anything to help security?

Wow.

 

youve never seen the dog and pony show I go thru when i go to the airport Via the TSA. last time i flew was coming back from AZ, the girl was so convinced i had something with me, ( I cant do the scanners, too much metal, devices, wiring , tubing and shrapnel floating around inside) so I opted to let everyone see the show
they stripped me down to my jeans, boots off, socks off, shirt X2 off, jacket off. she started at my hands and rubbed me down for GSR. hands, face,neck, back, shoulders, chest , I swear the woman was trying to give me a dang sponge bath with the wipes.

3 different times.

then, one of her comrade's wiped me down. same thing. nothing. then they patted me down. again. then they checked their gloves for GSR. again.

they check my boots. they stripped my bag down all the way, and checked the liner in my jacket. they finally got digusted, because i was cracking jokes with the guys waiting on me, my last question to them was, "what your not buying me dinner?" that bout got me a escort out.

I didnt realize till I got home, the one question i should have asked. Why the hell were they checking me for GSR? its not illegle to fire a firearm in AZ and then fly as far as i know. I had no firearms in my bags, I had even mailed my blades and multitool out that morning on the way to the airport ( my traveling set)

no one ever could answer that question. In the over reach for safety, as far as i am concerned, they have already way over stepped their bounds.

 

That's why I plan to drive from now on.

 

14th Amendment says they can kiss my hairy, pasty white backside. Sorry for the visual. That was for the feds, not for you all.

 

aint no way, in any of the levels of hell, that i will be stopped and asked to provide paperwork to prove im a citizen. especially if its anything to do with the IRS. that will be the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. and after that point in time, its on, far as im concerned.

 

While I agree with you on the principle of your point, let me ask you, how many times are you asked:

1. May I see your drivers license?

2. Enter driver's license number here...

3. Social Security number?


...all three are basically asking for your proof of citizenship. And we all produce it happily.

 

that is true, but, you volunteer to surrender it. there is no law stating you have to. you also do at the bank, at the VA, and what ever. me, I always get 2. when i get mine renewed, I get my drivers license, and I get a SC ID card. Not as much info tied to the ID as the DL. but, that is if you are stopped driving. How many times have you been out walking and been asked to show id (papers)?

 

I have, and I respectfully declined.

 

Can we just start calling everyone comrade now? It feels appropriate.

 

I would carry a few copies of the X-ray. I would also carry a few copies of the crazy x Rays available on the internet...the ones with nails in a head and so forth. If they hold you too long start talking about hipa violation and lawsuits. I am waiting for the news story where a guy showed up at airport in speedo and bikini top and flip flops...

 

I have cards,



of the equipment installed, that are chipped, they can open the info on em. last time I flew outta charleston made me go thru the scanner anyway, or not fly, so when i hit the ground curseing, (dorsal stemulator went max, as in surge) I got pulled to the side and searched anyway.

 

TSA Chief Out After Agents Fail 95 Percent of Airport Breach Tests

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...news/us-news/investigation-breaches-us-airports-allowed-weapons-through-n367851

 

I sure miss the days when I could walk into Hollywood / Burbank airport, go to the PSA counter and catch a flight to San Francisco on a 727, every hour on the hour and it only cost $25.00. No ID needed. No one feeling me up or looking up my *** with a flashlight. That's back when America was still free. It sounds trivial, I know, but America 'has Left the building".

 

Talking about driver's license , it wasn't that long ago Indiana allowed p.o. boxes as the address on them. I had a ups mailbox on mine for quite awhile. I'd assume in light of things p.o. boxes on them are verboten.

 

This "domestic passport" idea was passed back around 08 but delayed ..it's in the form of a star on your driver's licenses. I got my star but you have to have a ton of paperwork and identification in the form of passport, vehicle registration and other id's to get that star.

 

Passports

I live in New Mexico. The Democratic controlled legislature has insured that anyone can get a driver's license here. They claim it makes driving safer in that everyone will have insurance. The law still requires everyone to have uninsured motorists insurance though - go figure.

The upshot is that with the 'proper' paperwork 'proving' residence you can get a driver's license. There is a very robust underground economy here selling the paperwork to all comers. That license can then be used to get another license from any other state. Then those people can get on any airplane, into any Federal building/facility.

See the problem yet?

Now, I have enough paranoia, and experience with real secured borders since visiting Berlin (east and west) in the mid-sixties, as well as most of western Europe before the EU when your ID was checked at every border, to be able to imagine the future scenario when it will be necessary to show your ID when traveling between these United (disparate) States.

I just renewed my and my wife's passports and got the passport card at the same time.

Starting in January, the Federal Real ID law will make it impossible for anyone holding just a New Mexico driver's license as ID to enter any Federal building/instillation and later next year not be valid at the TSA checkpoint in all domestic airports. As much as I disagree with Real ID, I have to comply since we have elderly family members that live out of state, as well as children/grandchildren and in an emergency would have to fly there. Without the 'accepted' ID we couldn't even get on the airplane.

The wait time this weekend at the local post offices just to get the applications etc. were six hours long. Then there's a three to five week wait for the documents to get back from the Department of State. It's also expensive, $110 for a passport and $140 if you get the passport card at the same time.

The card is good for land travel between the US, Canada and Mexico as well as cruise travel to various Caribbean islands. But not for international travel. You need the passport book for that!

I think it's mostly a scheme to gather more funds for the Federal Government and setting us up for restricted travel during 'national emergencies'. It's also a National registration database.

 

All but a small number of States have Federally compliant drivers licenses. I believe only 7 states do not. If you have a DL from a compliant state you supposedly would not be affected, meaning your drivers license is enough to fly domestically. Oddly enough, liberal Democrat New York is one of the States which does not. This is based upon a law passed in Bush's presidency that will be enforced in 2016 or 2017. They have had plenty of time to change their drivers licenses to comply. I live in AZ and our DLs are compliant. It more relates to scanability and holographs on the license than being in the borg database, which you already are therein.

 

It is my understanding that some states, including New Mexico, give drivers licenses to illegal aliens (pardon me if I don't say undocumented immigrants, but I am not politically correct) and can not be used as proof of citizenship.

 

the illegals will be able to vote though.

California To Allow Illegal Immigrants To Vote For The Next President

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/13/n...no-california-to-allow-illegal-immigrants-to-vote-for-the-next-president-video/

 

CT has had that "star" DL for years. Figures they would embrace this new/old call to spend money for an unfunded federal law. What do they care, the state taxpayers pay for it.

The citizens in the states that didn't institute it are the ones who get screwed. If you don't have that "star", you will need passports to fly. The passport is also unfunded and you pay for it. Funny how the feds seem to make money, isn't it?

I don't know, if and when, it will be required by people traveling state-to-state by other than air, but I suspect it's coming. After all, all of the "VIPER" TSA and DHS teams need a job and they can't just increase the size of those for trucks. Sooner or later, they'll be doing buses and trains, then checkpoints along interstates for every vehicle.

It'll take on a life of its own. It's the natural progression of programs running amok.

 

All this and yet voter identification is still a bad thing that represses too many citizens...

Kinda confusing

 

Don't know anything about a star on the liscense, but I know I don't have one..

Edit: My liscense doesn't expire until 2017, so I suppose I'll get one when I renew. I did some quick research on it and found a few disturbing things. One, when you get your picture taken, they run your photo through a facial recognition system. If you're in there and have done something bad you're probably in trouble. And if you're not in it, you will be after they run your photo. They are also connecting your face with your SS number and your residential address, among other things. It won't at this point, but at some point that info may wind up in a national database. I don't think I'm liking that thought very much..:xeye:

 

And all this will be useless in an emergency when the power goes off or their system is hacked and brought down. There is no backup plan.... like almost everyone on this forum has for dealing with business as UN-usual.

 

Pardon me, ma'am, I need to see your License, Registration, Insurance, Travel papers, Internal Passport, Innoculation Record, Party Membership Card, Proof of Racial Conformity, Current Political Status, Fuel Purchase Authorization and your last 4 fuel receipts, Oddometer log for the past month, and Proof of Loyalty. Do you know why I pulled you over this afternoon?

(Looks up from pulling required travel document portfolio) No, why?

Because I can. Where were you going, and where did you come from, and why?

From my home 2 blocks away, to the corner supermarket up 3 blocks away. To buy food.

Then I'll also need to see your sustinence permit, your legal lineage file, Food storage permits, and authorization to transport foods and other commodities.

Velkom to Amerika, Tovarich...

 

OOOOHHHH!!!!! I could be for this. If EVERY CITIZEN had to have a passport....we could then mandate VOTER ID. It wouldn't be harming anyone. If only citizens got to vote, libs would never be elected.