Mmm...you want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

it is all about the MONEY.

 

Don't forget that the price of gas includes the state tax, county tax, city tax, voted in a democrat president tax, I need to pay off another senator tax and the governors mistress needs a boob job tax.


It all adds up.....

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I don't know what kind of oil he could buy at $75 for 55 gallons. Thats only $1.36 a gallon or 34 cents a quart. I can't think of the last time I bought motor oil for 34 cents a quart. You can't buy chainsaw bar oil for that low a price. Bar oil was $6 a gallon in a 5g bucket last week.

Any name brand motor oil is around $6.50 to $8 a gallon in 55g drums. The last 55 gallon drum of Shell Rotella T I bought was around $9.25 a gallon,$508 a drum. In the current Kragen ad it is $10.99 a gallon.

A barrel of US crude oil is 42 gallons. If my memory is right in the 90's you got around 19 gal of gasoline from a barrel of crude.

We pay $4.099 for no name regular here in northern California.When all the broke states and the federal govt start using fuel taxes to fund themselves todays prices will be a bargain. People can say enough anytime,just ride a bike or walk.

Red

 

Dude do not ruin a thread with your fact and logic! He knows a guy. I know a guy who talked to a guy's cousin that heard that this is still Bush's fault.

 

No one says you must buy gasoline. If you think it's too expensive or that the "greedy" oil tycoons are making too much money, don't buy it. Ride a bike. Why do you think your convenience should be cheaper? The real answer is that you just want to pay less for what ever you want.

 

Ride a bike?


How old are you ? Not everyone is middle age and is able to ride a bike. Not everyone is within biking distance to work. Heck most the jobs I'm seeing require a car and license. They want to make sure you will be able to get to work everyday.

To keep a standard of living people are used to, it is required to buy some type of fuel.

 

Crude oil is not that cheap. Brent crude is $110-120 for a 42 gal barrel.

I think the price your friend pays for his next drum of engine oil will be double.

 

A drum of unused good quality motor oil is closer to $600.

 

I fail to see how a Barrel of oil is 42 US gallons and costs 104.67 (yahoo finance) and your telling me he got a Barrel for $75 for 55 gallons. When a Barrell of motor oil at Costco is over $350. HHMMMM I think you are being BSd by your Buddy. If that price was true, someone would have a link up here, and there would be several in my Garage, Barn and Shed...

 

I say blame unions and liberals. Don't follow the money trail to Exxon, the Saudis, the OPEC cartel/racketeering organization, BP, or international elite investors.

Just blame your neighbor. :xeye:

What I've done this week is to park the Jeep in my garage and take out my 35 MPG car. If gas goes to $10, I'll tell my employer he'll let me telecommute 1-2 days/week or he'll be finding a new employee.

 

If gas hits $10 in the near term, there will be no job for you to go to.

 

I think your leg is indeed being pulled.. either that or he has an old invoice.. I did some quick research...

MAG 1 Motor Oil — 10W30, 55-Gallon Drum

Item# 159829

Only $479.99

 

At three dollars per gallon, the oil companies make approximately SIX CENTS per gallon. The rest is taken up with the cost of exploration, pumping, refining, marketing, and infrastructure. Taxes consume FOURTY-TWO cents, which add nothing at all to the value of the fuel. So who exactly is gouging you here?

 

Here in the liberal wasteland of California we pay 66.1 cents in fed ,state & local taxes per gallon. I don't think that includes the sales tax included in the price. If anyone wants to check out the Jan 2011 fuel taxes for all states. http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/

And YES Aramachek since YOU mentioned it, the liberals are holding up further devolpment of gas and oil over the entire US. This costs us a lot of money! The liberals also turned a large food production area in this state to a dust bowl filled with unemployed people. All for a tiny worthless fish that is still dieing even with the all the water diverted to "save" them. More junk liberal science! This also costs us lots of money!

Some day the liberal agenda will run out of other peoples hard earned money.

Red

 

Here in the liberal wasteland of California we pay 66.1 cents in fed ,state & local taxes per gallon. I don't think that includes the sales tax included in the price. If anyone wants to check out the Jan 2011 fuel taxes for all states. http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/

And YES Aramachek since YOU mentioned it, the liberals are holding up further devolpment of gas and oil over the entire US. This costs us a lot of money! The liberals also turned a large food production area in this state to a dust bowl filled with unemployed people. All for a tiny worthless fish that is still dieing even with the all the water diverted to "save" them. More junk liberal science! This also costs us lots of money!

Some day the liberal agenda will run out of other peoples hard earned money.Red

Yup, "Socialisim works until you run out of other peoples money" I think it was Margaret Thatcher.

 

I say blame unions and liberals.

I would agree. Socialist Unions, which by your own admission are now corrupt and ineffective, have helped suck the life out of the American manufacturing base by driving jobs overseas. Liberals, too stupid to realize that corporations in an even semi free market can never be made to pay a tax of any kind, have put in place restrictive regulations and taxation that have driven business overseas. Corporations down to mom and pop stores will always transfer the payment of a tax onto their consumers.

Don't follow the money trail to Exxon, the Saudis, the OPEC cartel/racketeering organization, BP, or international elite investors.

The Saudis and OPEC nations own their own oil. They can charge whatever they like for it. It's their oil, not the "world's" by default.

Just blame your neighbor.

I do if I see an Obama bumper sticker on his car.

What I've done this week is to park the Jeep in my garage and take out my 35 MPG car. If gas goes to $10, I'll tell my employer he'll let me telecommute 1-2 days/week or he'll be finding a new employee.

You have two cars and you are whining about the price of gas? I think you ought to be made to give one of those cars to a poor person who can't afford one. I mean TWO cars is a little bit of excess don't you think? An unneeded luxury. You can only drive one at a time. If you sell one of those cars, of course doubling the tax you pay with instructions to the IRS to give that money to a Union or some relief program, you could afford gas for a year and you wouldn't have to make ultimatums to your boss.

 

Corporations down to mom and pop stores will always transfer the payment of a tax onto their consumers.

+1:thumb:

I find it so strange that this principle is lost for so many of the "joe sixpacks" out there.

 

I find it so strange that this principle is lost for so many of the "joe sixpacks" out there.

I think it is the same reason there are so many people who looked at me like I was crazy for wanting to buy silver all these years. I remember my now ex wife kind of sneering at me when I bought a maple leaf for six bucks once. We were at a mall and a guy had a table with all sorts of collectibles on it and he had that there, so I bought it. Her family was a big, buy and hold stocks forever type. Granted, that strategy worked well from 1950 or so on. But, the rules have changed. I digress, sorry.

The point I am trying to make is the average person does not understand money. I am shocked at the number of people who still think the dollar is backed by gold. Joe six pack would rather watch ESPN than pay attention to the testimony of the Federal Reserve Chairman before Congress. They have been trained, brainwashed really, to look around at their situation and blame it on the "rich". Most of them get by and are comfortable enough to not feel the effects of inflationary theft in the immediate short term. They think all is well, they have jobs most of them, or unemployment until things turn around like they "always" have and they are paying into social security. Things like the recent spike in gas prices will pass they are sure and if not, eventually they will get an inflationary "raise" cover the cost in the short term.

I could be wrong, but i think a lot of them are finally waking up. I have made it my mission in life to educate as many as will listen to me about the financial truth. It makes some of the career guys I work with angry, but some of them are starting to come around.Hopefully my kids at least will get it.

 

Motor oil <> crude oil

 

I think I will build a steam car and fuel it with burning tires. There is always plenty of them at the dump. It will save on the cell phone bill. My wife will always know where I am just looking for the plume of black smoke.
PS I'm joking. My wife won't bother to look.

 

Cranky Farmer ...

I'm a truck driver, not a farmer.

But I see those fields along the 10, 40, 15, 8, 5, etc. Giant fields that go for miles, that feed the country. The lifes work of so many hard working people.

Then I come across some kid writing on the internet who thinks he is a survivalsit or a doomer. or whatever:
- And he writes that the American farmer has it all wrong. That the out of print books; written by a hippie years ago about permaculture are the only susstainable way to grow food. Quotes Indians, and other Gurus. And of course Big Farma is destroying the land.
- You know this kid has been reading this **** for 18 months, he has never left the city; yet he is ready to teach the world.
- And of course he supports new resrtrictions on farmers if they don't grow in a approved Nancy Pelosi Organic way.
- So I know that the families who have fed America for the last 100 years, have got it all wrong. And soon Obama will send these enlightened ones out to your farms to save the world.
- You guys don't really know anything about growing. If you had no fuel for your large agri business farm equipment, you couldn't grow anything on a smaller scale. Your seed would not work, the rain would not come (global warming), and you haven't got the knowledge that the hippies learned from the indians. Your doomed, and don't even know it. Sad, sad, American farmer.
- Who needs a heart surgeon, when a witch doctor lives next door

BTW- If anybody reading this is in to permaculture; Cool. To each his own. But if you think that the giant farms in Fresno, or anywhere else in America, need your advice, your leadership, or some eco approved new legislation; Your a fool, and so is the that old hippie who may or may not be your dad.

 

Cranky Farmer ...

I have been growing at home for years. I own acreage where I plan to start a small farm. I have some of the best tomato plants around. I've read a ton of books on the subject. I've met and been taught by real full time farmers. And I'm still a beginner.

I'm a truck driver, not a farmer.

But I see those fields along the 10, 40, 15, 8, 5, etc. Giant fields that go for miles, that feed the country. The lifes work of so many hard working people.

Then I come across some kid writing on the internet who thinks he is a survivalsit or a doomer. or whatever:
- And he writes that the American farmer has it all wrong. That the out of print books; written by a hippie years ago about permaculture are the only susstainable way to grow food. Quotes Indians, and other Gurus. And of course Big Farma is destroying the land.
- You know this kid has been reading this **** for 18 months, he has never left the city; yet he is ready to teach the world.
- And of course he supports new resrtrictions on farmers if they don't grow in a approved Nancy Pelosi Organic way.
- So I know that the families who have fed America for the last 100 years, have got it all wrong. And soon Obama will send these enlightened ones out to your farms to save the world.
- You guys don't really know anything about growing. If you had no fuel for your large agri business farm equipment, you couldn't grow anything on a smaller scale. Your seed would not work, the rain would not come (global warming), and you haven't got the knowledge that the hippies learned from the indians. Your doomed, and don't even know it. Sad, sad, American farmer.
- Who needs a heart surgeon, when a witch doctor lives next door

BTW- If anybody reading this is in to permaculture; Cool. To each his own. But if you think that the giant farms in Fresno, or anywhere else in America, need your advice, your leadership, or some eco approved new legislation; Your a fool, and so is the that old hippie who may or may not be your dad.

Do you guys in the green movement know what a beginner is ?

It seems like you start with anger and disrespect for the families that have grown food for generations. That is not a very humble beginning.

Pride comes before a fall