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Mosin Shooters, Hows your POA/POI

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I've got a 42 Ishvek in excellent rearsenalled condition, Mine hit 16in high and 6 to 8 inches right at 100yds. I've been thinking of modifying the rear sight for a 100 yard zero. Anyone done this? Does anyone make a good replacement rear sight for these rifles? And yes I do know they were designed to be zeroed with the bayo on, I just find that impractical.
Thanks!
 
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I have a finn m39 and a few 91-30s the finn keeps bout 3 in groups with surplus ammo and the 91-30s that i have shot keep bout a 5

i think you may have a front sight that might be bent or its off somehow instead of replacing the sights try using a drift punch to change the alignment and also what kind of ammo are you using

im shooting 149 grain light ball ammo from 83
 
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I guess it depends on which Mosin you are referring to. The M44 has more issues when shooting with the bayonet not extended than the 91/30 does without the bayonet. I was shooting my recently purchased 43 Izzy 91/30 and was able to hit a water jug at 100 yards. Might have been a lucky shot, but mine has never been as high as 6-8 when I do my job from a bench. I would second the mojosights, thinking about them myself for another rifle.
EDIT, I just checked and see you mean a 91/30 as they did not build M44 in 42.
 
#5 ·
Guys an easy way to fix the point of aim on a mosin is to remove the front sight from its dove tail, the front sight post comes out the bottom. Replace the post with a finish nail and put the globe back in the dovetail.
Set the rear sight in the lowest setting then fire for group. File the nail down to calibrate it with the rear.

I have done this to many mosins includeing the m44 to make it shoot poa with the bayonet folded down and with out the bayonet.
 
#7 ·
Being too lazy to walk back and forth, I never fire for groups. Groups don't kill things anyway. I just put an empty copy paper box on the berm of the 100 yard range (110yds + or -) and fire standing, off hand. I can easily hit the box repeatedly until there's not much left.
That's with a 1943 91/30, and a 1948 M44 firing 1954 Bulgarian light ball.
 
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Being too lazy to walk back and forth, I never fire for groups. Groups don't kill things anyway. I just put an empty copy paper box on the berm of the 100 yard range (110yds + or -) and fire standing, off hand. I can easily hit the box repeatedly until there's not much left.
That's with a 1943 91/30, and a 1948 M44 firing 1954 Bulgarian light ball.
LOL you ever been hunting? if you had you would realise that a deers heart is about the size of your fist and with the lungs in there its prol maby an 6 in circle you hit outside that and your paper box is alot bigger than the kill spot your going to have a deer run a long way before it dies a painful death anf you most likely will never find it

Good groups= realiable predictable shot placement wich in turn= Dead

if you cant reliably shoot a coke can offhand realiably at 100m you are a ****ty shot dont mean to be rude but i call it as i see it and you wont be very sucessful hunting man or beast
 
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#8 ·
You can get a scout mount and LER scope for the cost of the Mojo sights, and peeps are not very efficient mounted that far from the eye.

The finish nail trick works better than you would expect. Cut the new one 1/16" taller than the old sight and it will not take much file work to pull it in place. Close in to 25 yards for your tuning, just as you would with a scope. There should be an index mark on the front sight mount for windage zero, almost every one I have delt with was dead on.

Rice Patty Daddy, for some reason it makes me feel much more safe and well fed knowing you are not part of my support group.

1. if you can not shoot a group you can not shoot.
2. a copy paper box is not small enough to indicate ability on any meaningful target
3. you can not see where you are hitting the box
4. 7.62 ball ammo will not tear up a copy paper box "until there's not much left".
5. Too lazy to walk 100 yards to sight in your rifle is too lazy to hang around my place. No one around here is going to kick you in the butt to get your lungs started in the morning.
 
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sadly many have lost that skill as they rely on treestands now but I think its the most enjoyable way to hunt seeing how close you can get before you go for the kill also learn alot bout there habits
 
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his prob is he aims at a box and doesnt practice fundementals or even see what his groups are its prol shooter error

shoot a group of three check it then aim at saim point previous and shoot three more and if your too lazy to walk 100m get a expensive spotting scope like a nice leuapold or swaroski


hope this helps

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=149295

e. Analyze a group on a target. This is important for marksmanship training. The firer may not notice errors during firing, but errors become apparent when analyzing a group. This can only be done if the data book has been used correctly. A checklist that will aid in shot group/performance analysis follows:

(1) Group tends to be low and right.

Left hand not positioned properly.
Right elbow slipping.
Improper trigger control.
(2) Group scattered about the target.

Incorrect eye relief or sight picture.
Concentration on the target (iron sights).
Stock weld changed.
Unstable firing position.
(3) Good group but with several erratic shots.

Flinching. Shots may be anywhere.
Bucking. Shots from 7 to 10 o'clock.
Jerking. Shots may be anywhere.
(4) Group strung up and down through the target.

Breathing while firing.
Improper vertical alignment of cross hairs.
Stock weld changed.
(5) Compact group out of the target.

Incorrect zero.
Failure to compensate for wind.
Bad natural point of aim.
Scope shadow.
(6) Group center of the target out the bottom.

Scope shadow.
Position of the rifle changed in the shoulder.
(7) Horizontal group across the target.

Scope shadow.
Canted weapon.
Bad natural point of aim.
 
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and, i almost forgot. i havent had my mosin long enough to compare poa/poi very well yet. the range i shot it at was only 50 yds so hitting the targets(very undesireable canned goods) wasnt hard. my front sight post is off center(i am assuming due to the bayonet sighting) so im sure at long range it will be off. i just corrected by aligning the edge of the sight post instead the center.