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Moderate Islam Is No Islam

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#1 ·
I keep hearing the same old BS argument about there being something called a "moderate Muslim"...or something called "moderate Islam".. There was an article on the american thinker a few years back that I think sums a great deal of it all up. So rather than post the entire thing here are the main points of that article...


Moderate Islam Is No Islam


I believe that there is an unfathomable Being who is the Fashioner of this universe, including us. We refer to this Being as God, He, and so forth, in a futile attempt to encapsulate this Being into our extremely finite minds.
I also believe that this Being is not a dot commer. He doesn't sit around and wait to fill orders or requests. Neither does He interfere in the details of our lives. What He has done and does, to my understanding, is to establish certain rules and parameters that give each one of us a tremendous leeway on how to play the game of life.

Many people have asked me why I have put my life in harm's way by tangling with Islam and why I do what I do. Born in a Muslim family and having witnessed first-hand the horrors and indignity that Islamofascism visits on people it subjugates, I have taken it upon myself to do my part in defeating this ideology of oppression, hate and violence. Islam is wrapped in deception as a spiritual dogma or religion and is more dangerous than Nazism, Communism and Fascism.

Nowadays we hear from the non-Muslim world about the moderate version of Islam and moderate Muslims. In my view, being a Muslim and not being radical is simply not possible. Freedom lets a person make choices and be up-front about it. And that's where I part with those who would prefer to be sheep and have sheepdogs hem them in.

Many non-Muslims are obviously very well-meaning with regard to Islam, but they are also extremely naĂŻve and ignorant of the facts. They seem to think that Islam is just another religion of love and peace and Muslims should be given full freedom to practice their religion. Do they also believe that thieves, misogynists, rapists, child-molesters and any and all manner of practicing evils should be given complete carte blanche to carry on with what they value and believe? These well-meaning poeple are just as deluded as the fanatic jihadists by refusing to acknowledge the fact that one cannot be a Muslim and not abide by the dictates of the Quran.

There is no such thing as moderate Islam. There is no such thing as secular Islam or a secular Muslim. It's the nature of the faith to deny any separation of religion and the state or religion and society. There are numerous sects within Islam. One and all are extremes and not in the least amenable to change. Keep in mind that Islam claims that it is the perfect eternal faith for mankind. Splits have occurred and will continue to occur in Islam. Yet, reformation has not happened in nearly 1400 years and is not going to happen. Islam is carved in granite, just the way it is. No change. Allah's book is sealed.

There are indeed some Muslims who are moderate in the way they practice their religion. These people, for the most part, are culturally Muslims. They don't practice Islam the way it is mandated. They pick and choose. Therefore, "moderate Islam," is no Islam at all. It is not possible.

The Islamists have created fear not only in a non-Islamic world, but in the hearts and minds of those who consider themselves to be Muslims. The Islamists wage their war under the name of Islam. They receive immense direct and indirect support from the rank-and-file of ordinary Muslims. It is this passive support of so-called moderate Muslims that keeps the Islamists alive. And it is the Islamists who are intent on showing no mercy to any and all who do not share their ideology, be they Muslims or not. Millions of Iranians who were born into a faith they did not choose, a faith that was inflicted upon them by invaders of a foreign culture, a faith that forbids them to leave or revert to their pre-Islamic heritage and other Iraian religions, they remain Muslims in name only.

However, someone like the fanatic Ahmadinejad is a true Muslim who was instilled from his upbringing with Islamic superstitions, prejudices and hatreds. He was indoctrinated, from the moment of his birth, by an extensive ruthless in-power cadre of self-serving mullahs and imams who intended to maintain their stranglehold on the rank and file of the faithful-their very source of support and livelihood.

The fanatic Ahmadinejad is every bit as bloodthirsty as Hitler. Every jihadist is. But, he is not a Hitler. Not yet. He is far from having control of the Iranian State, including its armed forces. Even his popularity among the very poor is sinking for not being able to deliver what he had promised. Hence, the thing to do is to increase greatly any and all non-violent pressures on the present Islamic regime in Iran. Despite the current tug-of-war in Washington, we hope to believe people in U.S. government have studied all the possible effective actions and now it is time to put them into full effect without any delay. It is also time for the rabid self-serving Bush-bashers to start fighting the real enemy.

In conclusion, our best hope for humanity and civilization to survive is to firmly resist Islamofascism in all its forms.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/moderate_islam_is_no_islam.html
 
#5 ·
Clearly do not want to convert anyone... but make it visible that there really are no moderates... none, they simply cannot be that way.

If the truth of their actions and intent stir up a nest of bugs... fine! But it is the truth and the people who think there are really "moderates", cannot handle that truth of there not being such an animal, then they are the intentionally mis informed and seriously misguided.
 
#9 ·
Their end goal is literally domination of the world... and they are going to do all they can to see it come to be.... yet, those very same people who claim to be so moderate are the very same ones that give a person a chance to cnvert or they cut your head off....

They wish only one thing.... and that is what the idiot in Iran wants... to usher in this 12th imam or whatever in hell it is... and with their hell bent attitude to destroy Israel and the west... unless people start waking up and do it damn soon.... the mess is gonna become damned ugly and very violent...

No American after they have been threatened takes it forever....


Goals of Islam
Of course, when non-Muslims lay this out, they're "Islamophobes" -- so then what is Shaikh Abdurrahman Abdul-Khaliq? Well, for one thing he is refreshingly candid. From Islamweb (thanks to Nicolei):

The fourth reason for sending Prophet Mohammad is to establish Islam as the dominant religion above all, till the Day of Judgment. Allah said, what translated means: "He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Mohammad) with Guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that He may establish (make) it (Islam) superior over all religions. And All-Sufficient is Allah as a Witness." [48:28] Also, "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth to establish (make) it superior over all religions even though the Polytheists hate (it)." [9:33]
To establish it means to make apparent its domination above all religions. Allah made this promise a reality whenever Muslims were seeking victory by being well-prepared with the right belief and material needs. Muslims dominated all the powers and religions of the world with reasoning first and then using the sword. Above mentioned are a short summary of the goals of the Message of the Prophet Mohammad.


Since their minds have been hijacked by their philosophy, which is totally inconsistent with the demands of reality.
That's why I just said that reality always wins in the end.

The reason that's true is because "reality" is everything that exists--the entire universe, you, the ocean, art, etc. Everything.
Reality has an identity; everything has a nature that defines what it is, what it can do, what it can't do, WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR ITS CONTINUED EXISTENCE.
For us humans, reality requires for our continued existence that we use the mode of cognition peculiar to us, reason, to acquire knowledge. Reason is the only method of cognition that humans have; it's part of our identity, it defines how we think, how we acquire facts, how we form concepts, how we acquire the kind of information necessary to survive.
Islam, on the other hand, rejects reason, which is part of our very identity. Islam requires that you depend for knowledge on whatever was "revealed" from Allah to Mohammad, without any cognitive effort whatsoever. "Knowledge" gained via "revelation" isn't knowledge at all. It's just a bunch of wishes that have to be accepted without evidence or proof. A lot of us have read some really absurd things that are supposed to constitute "knowledge" to Muslims.

Islam actually fears and hates reason and knowledge, because they threaten the very existence of Islam as we know it (three cheers!). That's why questions and innovation are considered major sins, serious moral problems, in Islam; to ask questions is to use reason, cognition, rather than revelation, as a means to acquire knowledge. That will mean change for Islam. If enough questions are asked, then Islam could actually change into something different from what we see today.

Because reality is that which exists, and because all our wishes, desires, and wants won't change it, it always "wins." Islam always tries to act as if whatever it wants, wishes, and desires is true. The Muslim mind substitutes wishes for reality.

Since Islam refuses to acknowledge reality, it will lose, Eventually.

1) "Those who oppose the mullahs oppose Islam itself; eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years. It is only the mullahs who can bring the people into the streets and make them die for Islam -- begging to have their blood shed for Islam."

Yoo-hoo, President obammy. . .


2) "Music corrupts the minds of our youth. There is no difference between music and opium. Both create lethargy in different ways. If you want your country to be independent, then ban music. Music is treason to our nation and to our youth."

(Comment #2 is in honor of Cat Stevens.)


3) "Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious."
 
#10 ·
Again, the Qur'an has a verse that states the Infeidels are the firewood of He%&....

There is no such hateful quotes in the Christian Bible nor any calls to murder unbelievers.

Thus, if someone is a devout Muslim and is "obeying" the word of the Qur'an, one follows a road to destruction. No such calls in the Christian Bible, friends... :thumb:
 
#39 ·
Oh I don't know...
http://bible.cc/exodus/22-18.htm

New International Version (©1984)
"Do not allow a sorceress to live.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"You must not allow a sorceress to live.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"You shall not allow a sorceress to live.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Never let a witch live.

King James Bible
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

American King James Version
You shall not suffer a witch to live.

American Standard Version
Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.

Bible in Basic English
Any woman using unnatural powers or secret arts is to be put to death.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Wizards thou shalt not suffer to live.

Darby Bible Translation
thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

English Revised Version
Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.

Webster's Bible Translation
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

World English Bible
"You shall not allow a sorceress to live.

Young's Literal Translation
'A witch thou dost not keep alive.
http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-27.htm

New International Version (©1984)
"'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Men and women among you who act as mediums or who consult the spirits of the dead must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense."

English Standard Version (©2001)
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
'Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their bloodguiltiness is upon them.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Every man or woman who is a medium or a psychic must be put to death. They must be stoned to death because they deserve to die."

King James Bible
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.

American King James Version
A man also or woman that has a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be on them.

American Standard Version
A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.

Bible in Basic English
Any man or woman who makes use of spirits, or who is a wonder-worker, is to be put to death: they are to be stoned with stones: their blood will be on them.

Douay-Rheims Bible
A man, or woman, in whom there is a pythonical or divining spirit, dying let them die: they shall stone them: their blood be upon them.

Darby Bible Translation
And if there be a man or a woman in whom is a spirit of Python or of divination, they shall certainly be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood is upon them.

English Revised Version
A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Webster's Bible Translation
A man also or a woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

World English Bible
"'A man or a woman that is a medium, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.'"

Young's Literal Translation
And a man or woman -- when there is in them a familiar spirit, or who are wizards -- are certainly put to death; with stones they stone them; their blood is on them.'
It would seem that Op's argument could easily apply to Christians. You allowing pagans to live? You really following God's word? or are you picking and choosing what you want.
 
#11 ·
A must read below. I picked this up as a link from a post by Temu...


Thomas Jefferson's Quran
Written by Samuel L. Blumenfeld
01 September 2010

On Friday, August 13th, President Obama welcomed members of the Muslim community to the White House to celebrate the Islamic holiday of Ramadan with an Iftar banquet — the meal served after the sunrise-to-sunset fast. Ramadan is the ninth month in the Islamic lunar calendar.

In the course of his flattering remarks about the great contributions of Muslims to America, the President mentioned the presence at the banquet of two Muslim members of Congress: Andre Carson, Democrat from Indiana, and Keith Ellison, Democrat from Minnesota, the latter of whom took his oath on Thomas Jefferson’s copy of the Quran, which has been preserved in the Library of Congress.

What the President didn’t mention is why Jefferson bought a Quran in London and why he read it. In preparing for war, he read it to find out what kind of religion the rulers of the Barbary States on the coast of North Africa believed in.


For centuries the Muslim pirates had cruised the Mediterranean Sea, capturing ships and taking prisoners, forcing Christian nations to pay tribute for freedom of passage. To avoid such confrontations, some Christian nations were willing to appease the Islamic enemy by signing treaties requiring them to pay a certain amount of tribute each year. It was a form of extortion that Muslims could impose on frightened Christians.

The muslim pirates also raided coastline villages and took prisoners. The reason why so many Christian Greek coastal villages were built up in the hills was to provide protection against the depredations of the Muslims. Millions of Africans and thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans were enslaved by these raiders, who killed many non-Muslim older men and women and kidnapped young women and children to be sold as concubines. The boys were often mutilated to create eunuchs for use in harems and as servants.

Congressman Keith Ellison, born in Detroit to a Catholic family, was converted at age 19 to Islam while at Wayne State University. In law school, he wrote articles in support of Louis Farrakhan, with whom he is no longer affiliated. He said he chose to use Jefferson’s Quran because it showed that “a visionary like Jefferson” believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources. Actually, it wasn’t wisdom that Jefferson gleaned from the Quran, but a realistic understanding of what the United States was up against with the Barbary Pirates.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. American merchant ships had been captured by the Barbary corsairs and their crews and passengers imprisoned. They could only by freed by the payment of large ransoms. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty to spare their ships these piratical attacks. Congress was willing to appease the Barbary pirates if only they could gain peace at a reasonable price.

During the meeting, Jefferson and Adams asked the ambassador why Muslims held such hostility toward America, a nation with which they had had no previous contacts. Jefferson later reported to John Jay what the ambassador had told them: the reason for the Muslims’ enmity was that “It was written in their Koran that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every mussulman (Muslim) who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to [P]aradise.”

What was Paradise like? George Sale, the translator of the English edition of the Quran that Jefferson had purchased, wrote in his commentary:

[T]he very meanest in paradise will have eighty thousand servants, seventy-two wives of the girls of paradise, besides the wives he had in this world, and a tent erected for him of pearls, jacinths, and emeralds, of a very large extent; and, according to another tradition, will be waited on by three hundred attendants while he eats, will be served in dishes of gold, whereof three hundred shall be set before him at once, containing each a different kind of food . . . [T]here will be no want of wine, which, though forbidden in this life, will yet be freely allowed to be drunk in the next, and without danger, since the wine of paradise will not inebriate, as that we drink here. . . . .[T]he inhabitants of paradise will not need to ease themselves, nor even to blow their nose, for that all superfluities will be discharged and carried off by perspiration, or a sweat as odoriferous as musk, after which their appetite shall return afresh.

So Jefferson was well aware of the superstitious lunacy and irrationality that motivated the Muslims willing to die as martyrs for Mohammed. And when he became President, he resolved to repel force by force. Within days of his inauguration, Jefferson ordered four warships to sail to the Barbary Coast and blockade and attack any Barbary State that was at war with the United States. Jefferson and his Cabinet all agreed that American power was needed to protect the young nation’s commercial interests in the Mediterranean.

Joseph Wheelan writes in Jefferson’s War that the third U.S. President “pitted a modern republic with a free-trade, entrepreneurial creed against a medieval autocracy whose credo was piracy and terror. It matched an ostensibly Christian nation against an avowed Islamic one that professed to despise Christians…. Jefferson was willing to send a largely untried squadron across the Atlantic to go to war with a people whose customs, history, and religion were alien to the early American experience.”

The new President did not have a CIA to tell him what the enemy was like. He found that out by reading the Quran he had bought for his own edification. In other words, Jefferson’s copy of the Quran helped him understand the nature and mentality of the Muslim enemy. He was wise enough to do his own research long before the United States government had any intelligence apparatus.

The Barbary War was the first foreign war fought and won by the newly independent United States. After many attempts to appease the duplicitous Barbary Muslims, the U.S. finally decided that force was the only way to put an end to the piracy. And thanks to Jefferson, a new U.S. Navy was created to fight and win this war.

The result was that the United States and the Christian nations of Europe were then able to keep the Muslims at bay for over a hundred years. The French went so far as to invade Algeria and colonize it with Europeans. But in 1960, Charles de Gaulle undid it all — and now there are over five million Muslims in France. Indeed, the loss of Christian nerve has once more opened the gates of the West to a barbaric Muslim offensive.

It’s hard to believe that all this history is unknown to Congressman Ellison as well as President Obama, who knows full well what is in the Quran and what motivates the global jihadists. He doesn’t need the CIA to tell him what we are up against in this new phase of our never-ending war with Islam, for as long as the religion of Islam exists it will never disobey its Prophet’s command to conquer unbelievers and dominate the world.
 
#12 ·
A couple of very important comparisons for all to think about...since there can be no moderate islam.... it is actually impossible...

JESUS
From John 8:2-11
"At dawn He (Jesus) appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap in order to have a basis to accuse Him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with His finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to threw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one sir", she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

MUHAMMAD
From the Hadith of Abu Dawud, #4428
"Buraidah said: "A woman of Ghamid came to the Prophet and said: "I have committed fornication", He said: "Go back". She returned and on the next day she came to him again, and said: "Perhaps you want to send me back as you did to Maiz b. Malik. I swear by Allah, I am pregnant." He said to her: "Go back". She then returned and came to him the next day. He said to her: "Go back until you give birth to the child." She then returned. When she gave birth to the child she brought the child to him, and said: "Here it is! I have given birth to it." He said: "Go back, and suckle him until you wean him." When she had weaned him, she brought him to him with something in his hand which he was eating. The boy was then given to a certain man of the Muslims and he (the prophet) commanded regarding her. So a pit was dug for her, and he gave orders about her and she was stoned to death. Khalid was one of those who were throwing stones at her. He threw a stone at her. When a drop of blood fell on his cheek, he abused her. The prophet said to him: "Gently, Khalid. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if one who wrongfully takes an extra tax were to repent to a like extent, he would be forgiven". Then giving command regarding her, prayed over her and she was buried."

JESUS:
In Luke 9:54, 55 Jesus rebuked His disciples when they wanted to destroy a town that rejected Him. Also, in Luke 22:52, Jesus' disciples started to fight against those that came to arrest Jesus, He stopped them, and healed a man injured in the fight
In Matthew 11, Jesus gives this command to his disciples concerning those who wouldn’t listen to them:
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town."

MUHAMMAD:
Told his followers to aggressively make war on non-Muslims: 9:5, 29. Sura 9 was one of the last Suras given by Muhammad. Initially, when Muhammad's group was weak, he ordered his followers to try to get along with other people. After the Muslims became powerful, he ordered them to spread Islam by force.
Sura 9:5;
“Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
Sura 9:29;
“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Sura 4:47;
O you who have been given the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Believe in what We have revealed (to Muhammad SAW) confirming what is (already) with you, before We efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath ¬breakers. And the Commandment of Allâh is always executed.”

JESUS;
Mathew, 22:34-39;
"Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together.One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

MUHAMMED:
Hadith by Bukhari, Vol.1 Book 2 #25;
"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause.""


JESUS:
Matthew 5:43-47
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"

MUHAMMED:
Sura 48:29
"Muhammad is the Messenger of Allâh, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves."

Rightly say; "He (Muhammed) created a religion..."

It was his own invention, aided, no doubt by a hoarde of Demons.

"and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."
Jesus, 600yrs before Muhammed.
Matthew 24:11

Islam understands no humour. In Muslim countries it is not commonplace to have TV comedies poking fun at themselves. Life, you know, is a serious business indeed! Fun is one of those things that Allah and his 'Prophet' banned for mankind for all time, along with music and art and alcohol and pork and co-mingling of the sexes, and all other religions, and befriending the infidel, and being clean-shaven, and, and, and... The list goes on and on and on! What a bore Muhammad must have been; except, that is, for his well-known proclivities.
It beggars belief that people around the world, and even here in the West, can be taken in by this 'religion'. That some Western women can find it within themselves to relinquish their freedoms and opt for the cloistered existence of the muslimah is even more astonishing. At least if a man converts, he becomes 'lord and master'; but if a woman converts, she becomes a man's chattel!

Were I to have had the misfortune to have been born as a Muslim, and thank God (not Allah -- they are not the same) I wasn't, then with all the dreadful and merciless acts being carried out in Islam's name, I should run away from Islam as fast as I could. I would become an apostate. For surely to be an apostate is far preferable.
 
#13 ·
One last note....


Muhammed was buried in his house, if I am not mistaken..... so he was but a mere man . ... nothing special, and much of him and his manners and ways are going to always be controversial.... yet,


Jesus Christ..... died, and rose from the dead and ascended..... so personally I will take Jesus and his methods any day of the week.
 
#18 ·
bring em on..... klingons can be ripped off and disposed of in a most unsanitary manner.... or just flushed away....

besides i like a good fight, but this is one I have had many times and i never back down... unless I know i am wrong...and then I will admit it... but they will have to work hard ... very hard to claim the cordoba victory on me...
 
#19 ·
The side of me with the evil perverse sense of humour is chuckling, as I imagine a forum of Islamic survivalists arguing about the Bible and Christian's; one side saying there is no moderate side to Christianity, and the other saying- "Yes, the send missionaries; yes they get cranky when we try to convert them; but they aren't bad folks really. They aren't out to get us; they're just misguided!"
Then the first lot jump up and down and say,"There is no Moderate Christianity; if they don't follow the Bible word for word; they are not real Christians."
And so on with debating the Old vs. New Testaments; the various Christian Churches and faiths etc; untill everyone gets cranky.

Wickid, I know; but that is how my brain works- esp at 6.08 in the morning, after being awake for 36 hours.......:D:
 
#21 ·
Muslims do not believe in a seperation of church in state.

In fact, most muslims who worship here in the United States admit that their prayers are null and void until it is under shariah law.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa:

Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."
You do the math.

Islam is Arab Imperialism.
 
#23 ·
"Islam can’t be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can’t be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid, but brittle. That is why Muslims can’t tolerate criticism of it.

To eradicate Islam, all it takes is tell the truth. It’s that simple. This was not possible before, but with the help of the Internet, it is now. The absurdity of Islam is glaringly obvious. All it takes to see it is to read the Qur’an. The truth about Islam is out. With truth and reason alone we can demolish this tall tower of lies. With truth, decent Muslims will leave Islam and with each Muslim who leaves, we gain a new soldier in our fight against terrorism.

We are growing exponentially. The days of ignorance that promotes hate and disunity are over. Better days are ahead. Meanwhile, we may have to go through dreadful times. A storm is approaching. Unless Islam is not stopped and Islamic promoters like Iran and Saudi Arabia are not defeated mankind may be facing an Armageddon. Islam is not a religion of peace. The proof is in the Quran.

Let us tell the truth. Let us save lives, not lies. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. To become a soldier in this army of light, all you have to do is defend the truth and not the politically correct lies. Truth can open our eyes and transform our hearts."


http://www.faithfreedom.org/about-us/
 
#24 ·
Until "moderate" "peacefull" muslims openly, vocally condem the actions of terrorist, aknowlge the right of a jewish isreal to exist, advocate for religious freedomof other religions in muslim dominated countries, and reject all sharia as incompatible with human rights all muslims must be considered potential terrorists, and lall mosques a breeding ground for jihadist in training.
In 9-11 muslims danced in the streets all over the world. Sharia justifies the inhumane conditions/treatment of women, the war on infidels, and keeps muslims shackeled to the 3rd world. Just try to pray openly or open a christian church in Saudi Arabia, or another muslim dominated country.
Moderate muslims are wolves in sheeps clothing preping the sheep for slaughter.
 
#27 ·
So ...where are all those so called muslim supporters that are waiting in the wings to attack any and all, about this thread... funny how they can go on about the so called benevolent muslims and then when the truth is laid right in front of them they hide.

Guess the serious truth that has been presented here by all posters is way to much for these folks to handle...

Besides the truth about their beloved Muhammed is even worse and we are supposed to think that it is all okay.... not a chance in hell...