Agreed, Leadcounsel. But on this site most will agree with you. It's them leftists out there who won't admit to any of what you wrote as it challenges their narrative of oppression and victimization.

 

Only 1% to 2% of Southern whites were slave owners (they were the elite 1% of the 1800s), but 25% of free blacks owned slaves. That never gets mentioned.

Almost all African born slaves were captured by competing black tribes in Africa. Muslims ran the slave trade.

There were lots of white slaves, as well. In the USA, they were called Indentured Servants. They were brought over here mostly to settle family debts in Europe. White slaves were also common throughout the Middle East. Black people were not the only victims of slavery.

At the time when George Washington and other forefathers owned slaves, there was nothing morally wrong or illegal about slave ownership. We cannot judge the past and hold them guilty based upon what we believe today. They were doing what was considered right for their time.

 

anent Confederate monuments: The war was over 90 years before I was born. I can't imagine caring, one way or another. a thing happened here, this guy did it. it's a place marker, not a holy icon.

anent cultural appropriation: If you snivel about a bar with an Indian name, do it in a loincloth, pay your rent in wampum, and you have had your last cup of coffee.

In re free speech: redefining language to fit your deeply cherished philosophy you were told to believe ten minutes ago leads to uncertain footing.

if your morality clashes with reality, you will find that a firm grip on reality will get you farther in life than a weak grasp of tenuous morality.

We cannot judge the past and hold them guilty based upon what we believe today.

this reality is in direct opposition to the idiot demands for reparation.

 

Well, I don't feel too bad about living on "stolen" from the Karankawa Indians. They were cannibals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karankawa_people

Interestingly enough, they were also into tattoos and piercings.

 

If YOU want to be a "moral" person, then give all your belongings and land to the Native American tribes who were here first, and pack up and move to wherever your ancestors came from, and live a life of total poverty that does not "oppress" anyone.

I agree 1000% :


Make it quick too! I need the money....

 

Many Native American tribes stole their land from other tribes before we took it from them.

 

We didn't steal it. We conquored it!

 

I agree OP.
The day will come when liberals, BLM and these anarchists will be thought of and mentioned in the same breath as all the other evil despots in history.

 

I see nothing in the original post that has anything to do with individual "morals". Plenty of judgments and subjective along with societal "morals" but IMO morals are a personal thing.

 

Wrong. Morality has the same source as our God-given rights. There is absolute truth, and likewise there are absolute morals. The idea of moral relativism, or "personal" morals (i.e. "I can do whatever I want") is a fiction designed to degrade our understanding of what true morality is and thus destroy our society like a cancer.

 

Actually, that's exactly what they are trying to do. Shall we? No... Are they? Absolutely...

We're at a tipping point right now. It's more of an US vs THEM thing now. The people getting caught up in all the racists BS just aren't seeing the whole picture. The grander scheme is what people need to be focusing on, not the niblets that are created for our emotional responses.

 

IMO, your average millennial was not taught anything we would consider "morals". They were spoiled, pampered, and allowed to get away with murder, as children. They expect the same treatment as adults, and will literally riot when they don't get it.

They think if they have a big enough tantrum, they'll get what they want. After all, it's always worked in the past.

I blame most of our societal problems on Dr Spock and bad parenting. My younger brother is an utter monster and my stepmother faithfully followed his book.

 

really? you think its millennials? then why is it every friend of mine under 30 supported trump, and the most rabid defenders of clinton and obama that i run into are 60+ years old? who do you think are the ones training these blm/antifa terrorists?.. compared to boomers and gen xers when at the same age, millennials have been voting more conservative.. its pretty safe to say the 1960s when this **** really kicked off that there werent many "millennials" around then and those are the ones running the nation today

perhaps you should blame our societal problems on those actually running the country presently?, but the biggest share of the blame belongs to the media.. show me just ONE television program on a major media network currently still in production that doesnt promote leftist ideologies, socialism, promiscuity, sleaziness, and a complete lack of responsibility

 

Let's talk morality for a minute, since all this talk on Southern Leaders and the removal of statues and monuments, due to slavery.

What is "morality" and are you a "moral" person? And to what length are YOU personally willing to correct the past?

I think the Irish / Scottish half of me should pay reparations to the Cherokee half of me. I usually don't discuss this because I'm afraid that my Indian half will take me to court and demand reparations from me. I'd have to retain 2 Lawyers....theirs and mine. It could get ugly.

My Paternal Grandparents left the Cherokee Rez around 1880 and settled in Tennessee. They wanted to live and raise their children like everyone else.....not on the Govt dole.

I intend to do nothing to "correct the past". "Morality" is not the issue. I had nothing to do with anything that happened back in history and no one currently living has any standing, either. I don't want the history of America changed or destroyed. The liberal dirt bags need to get over it, get off the dole and become productive Americans.

 

That old hack of redefining a term like slavery or morality and then claiming that only the definer's definition is valid won't even work in a grammar school. If you own land and you want to be moral then give it to the Indians? Says who, you? Are you familiar with the term "megalomania, empathy?" Elvis is still alive and selling BBQ in Memphis. The moon landings were fake. As far as removing a bunch of statues, most of the South's military and political leaders were incompetent and supported the war as long as it didn't cost them blood or money. I'd be embarrassed to support any of those goofs. If the tables were turned and my ancestors were owned by black folks who treated them like cattle I wouldn't be using signs and protests to get rid of their statues I'd be using dynamite.

 

I "self identify" as a CIS ( straight ) white male . I am also a landowner . Ill tell you right now that I don't feel guilty, privileged , or owe a damned thing to anyone no matter their skin color or religion . The more BLM and the " White pride " ( two sides of the same racist coin ) idiots fight and kill each other the less ammo I foresee needing in the future . Anyone who gets wrapped up in the identity politics deserves everything that happens to their poor selves now and going forward .

 

You are a hetero, Christian, xenophobe, patriotic, constitution supporting white devil.

You have no right to speak or exist.

Please note: this post is sarcasm...

 

It's been my experience that the under 35 crowd are the most rabid, whiny group I have encountered in my life.

That is my experience.

I do agree about the media, "sitcoms" run down the American male, make him weak and a subject of mockery, race wars disguised as "humor", etc.

I usually end up just watching Law and Order and Supernatural these days anyway. Although Supernatural has gone out of it's way to be "gay friendly" lately.

 

Morality has no place in modern America.

 

Yes. Morality is subjective.

 

Not entirely or we wouldn't have laws. Some morals are objective, native to the species of human, and are scientifically validated through observation of hundreds of disparate cultures who share the same values though they've never been in contact with each other. If you have ever claimed something was a human right, you are invoking an objective natural law.

There are other morals that are taught or caught. But as we also know from a very long time of research, when a culture attempts to teach a moral that runs against an objective moral, it creates psychosis in the individual. If morals were entirely subjective, there would be no psychosis of that nature.

We can also observe porto-morality in non-human species that is patterned directly after those moral truths that appear to be ubiquitous to human history. We have no choice then but to deduce that there is a "natural" law. Human societies who have historically rooted their culture in the natural law, even codified, flourish as their people flourish. Those who reject the scientific objective reality of a natural law diminish as their people diminish.

And that is regardless of any external belief systems.

 

 

Morality, huh? Bull****.
When are people going to wise up that all this altrighty/lefty/antifa/fascista/blm/glm/weirdoes forever shinola is just that.
Shinola.

All this turmoil is guided, fomented and encouraged by people who seek to divide us for one reason;
IT MAKES US WEAKER.

When we're fighting amongst ourselves we are less able to pay attention to other things like what puff the magic dragon government is doing behind the green curtain. (Don't look Ethel!!!) :

Look at our ****ing Congress; they have managed to push the russian thing way outside its borders. Now we got this racial **** and over what, a bunch of moldy green statues of dead heroes covered in bird**** that nobody hardly remembers? While our President has made some gains, mostly with executive orders his legislative objectives have gotten stalled all because a bunch of sorry-assed mother****ers who call themselves Da Congress can't see past their fat noses buried to the hilt in MY puublic trough.

Those SJW you saw Saturday? The mayors who took down statues in the middle of the night, the scads of dumbass politico's who have "denounced" our President as this or that are nothing but useful idiots. They're cannon fodder. BOTH sides are dancing to someone else's tune and THOSE people are right now, rubbing their chubby little hands together and planning their next move.

I'd say their plan is working. Our President has been stalled like an APC high centered in the Georgia mud. It is unlikely the President will gain any traction anytime soon. Which is intended.

These people are nothing but traitors. For the last eight years some of us got a first hand look at what 'the new world order' was gonna look like. We avoided that but make no mistake, its still coming. The next election stands to turn things another 180 degrees and if that won't be enough, imagine what will happen if this **** keeps on going into 2020.
Wake the **** up people.

 

But, but,...... Native American tribes owned Africans as slaves too.

The Chickasaw, Chocktaw, Cherokee, Creek, Seminole and others owned black slaves.

And Native Americans raided each other for slaves to keep for labor, for sex slaves, to trade away or use in ritual sacrifices. The Tlingit even raided down into Oregon and northern California for slaves. Once enslaved, the slavery became generational and all descendants from those slaves were also slaves.

So, the Native Americans hold no moral superiority. It doesn't matter that they were here 'first'. They held slaves. Even the much older Mississippian tribes held slaves, and they were here well before the later tribes.

So giving your land and possessions back would not transfer any beneficence to either yourself or them.

 

My mother's people came to Oklahoma by the voluntary Trail of Tears. They brought their slaves. I wish I still had some. I might get a little work done around here.

Voluntary Trail or Tears = Before forcibly removed.

 

I do agree about the media, "sitcoms" run down the American male, make him weak and a subject of mockery, race wars disguised as "humor", etc.

consider the endless parade of bumbling dads who botch home repairs on TV. ho, ho,ho, call a pro, who is... an American male who is somebodys dad.

 

in almost every single sitcom the male is a ****-up and his wife has to manage him and tell him what to do

 

Had to listen to a lecture on Business Ethics given by a Lawyer, almost couldn't contain my laughter.

 

The truth is that mankind around the globe at one time owned slaves. It was western white civilization which finally determined the practice to be immoral and started the end of the practice. We should be applauded for bringing the practice to an end in parts of the world today. And continuing to work to end it elsewhere.

That same civilization brought about the greatest improvements in personal wealth the world has ever seen. Even the grand children of slaves have benefited. Other cultures that never made similar advances benefited. Does our culture get credit for raising up much of the world from poverty? No they are condemned and expected to pay their remaining wealth for the sins of people long dead and gone.

 

I'm pretty sure one of the signs of "the end" is when lawyers start lecturing on morality.

4 horseman - check
Plagues kill half the world - check
Lawyers teach on morality - check

Even so Lord, come!!!

 

Most politicians are lawyers. That included O'man who often lectured us. Even a fair number of the TV talking heads.

 

Morality is highly subjective. My idea of "morality" is definitely not that of an islamic terrorist, or a fundamentalist Christian. I believe everyone should do what benefits THEM the most. I believe being selfish is a good thing, it makes you survive, it makes your country survive and prosper. I believe people became slaves in the first place because they were in some way inferior to those that made the slaves, so it is their own fault. But, the South lost the Civil War, so they must have been inferior to the North in some way. I hate to think that, but it's true. The winners of wars make the rules and decide what is "moral" and what isn't. That's just the way it is.