Your children are yours only if they cost money or are in trouble, otherwise they are deemed community property by the enlighten ones running the circus.

 

No they can't. They should be if you're into totalitarianism.


Should vaccine manufacturers be held liable for the ever increasing number vaccine injured children? Yes, they should be, but they have legal immunity.

 

It's an interesting question.

I don't think failure to vaccinate rises to the level of criminal negligence. First, there has to be some sort of criminal act involved for criminal negligence to be applicable. There's no criminal act in not vaccinating, at least not in Nevada. So that destroys the idea of criminal negligence.

But let's suppose that there was a law on the books that made failure to vaccinate a criminal act, and lets assume (just for the sake of this hypothetical) that such a law was constitutional. The question then becomes if failure to vaccinate rises to the level of criminal negligence. In short, I believe that it may because the child's parents would have failed to exercise reasonable care.

Should they be criminally responsible? No.

 

I think it could fall under the concept of refusing to provide adequate medical care. If a child is critically injured and the parents, despite knowing the severity, refuse to bring her to the hospital, they are legally liable. Refusal to vaccinate not only affects those who aren't vaccinated, but threatens others, such as the immunocompromised ,if they encounter one of these kids who are sick with something that was nearly eradicated.

 

you must be a liberal....

 

If only liberals believe in science-based evidence then slap a hammer and sickle bumper sticker on my Prius and take me to the community organizing center 'cause I guess I'm liberal. Free Trayvon!

 

I've always found it amusing. Supposedly 99% of kids get vaccinations. That's just a blind estimate but probably accurate. If almost everyone is vaccinated, where would a kid get sick from? You have a 1% chance of getting sick from the vaccinations and you have a 1% chance of getting what the vaccination prevents. It seems like a wash to me.

No, I don't think that parents should get in trouble because of this. If they're sick, they should bring their kid to the hospital obviously. I don't see how a parent can get in trouble for not vaccinating but a scientologist can let their kid die and not get in trouble.

I never received any vaccinations and I came out fine.

 

You have a 1% chance of getting what the vaccination prevents because of widespread vaccination. That number rises or falls based on the population's immunity. More vaccinations = fewer occurrences of the disease. Your current status of "fine" is the result of other people being responsible and getting vaccinated.

 

I will not vaccinate my children! For hundreds of years people have survived with out vaccines. When I was little I got the Chicken Pox, Measles, and god knows what and I turned out fine. Plus I was taught that murcury was bad for you no matter what the dosage. So why would you give your child a vaccine that has a murcury based preservative in it? Or a aluminum based preservative it's just as bad. DOCROB

 

I will not vaccinate my children! For hundreds of years people have survived with out vaccines.

For hundreds of years, people died by the millions without vaccines. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

When I was little I got the Chicken Pox, Measles, and god knows what and I turned out fine.

n=1 isn't a very good sample size.

Plus I was taught that murcury was bad for you no matter what the dosage. So why would you give your child a vaccine that has a murcury based preservative in it? Or a aluminum based preservative it's just as bad. DOCROB

I don't see any widespread mercury or aluminum poisoning being reported. I do see outbreaks of diseases that were nearly eradicated popping up, though...

 

I'm just glad the government still allows people to not take them. It's all just personal responsibility. If I get sick because I didn't immunize, it doesn't affect people who did. Shame on me then. If they're so damned safe, then why do the info sheets have to mention death and neurological damage as a potential side effect?

 

I'm just glad the government still allows people to not take them. It's all just personal responsibility.

Are you against the government making laws against drunk driving?

If I get sick because I didn't immunize, it doesn't affect people who did. Shame on me then.

Indeed.

If they're so damned safe, then why do the info sheets have to mention death and neurological damage as a potential side effect?

There is risk in everything - and most things have no warning of it. You should be thanking those who did exhaustive studies and were able to quantify the potential (and nearly statistically insignificant) risks that you refer to.

 

I think the real question is...Why do you want our government to decide for you. THINK FOR YOURSELF AND STOP ASKING RHETORICAL QUESTIONS.

 

I actually saw a poll online somewhere about the possibility of annexing Connecticut and Rhode Island as Massachusetts state parks.

 

Probably good for property values :

 

I'm in the middle on this one. I got my vaccinations and my kids all do too. I would never put my kids life in jeopardy for something preventable. Some kids "might" have weird reactions to a vaccine, but the percentage is so small it's not even worth discussing. On the other side, you don't get them vaccinated and therefore your kid obviously won't fall into that possible less than .0001 percent catagory of reactions to a vaccine. BUT, your kid now stands a chance of getting some horrible disease that has almost been wiped out for 30 years because of that. And the percent chance is MUCH greater then the opposite side. I chose the higher percent chance and safer course of action for my kids. You all do what you want.

The idiot wannabe doctor who did all those self-admitted fraudulant "studies" that the whole anti-vaccine crowd is going by...well he is a self acclaimed fraud...so why believe him? It has been struck down left and right in court and proven over and over to be wrong.

Should a parent be held responsible? It is their choice so I say no. They will have to live with the consequences which will be penalty enough.

Example of this is with the baby cribs with the side drop. It has been used for decades by millions of babies/parents. Now the government is trying to ban them because a few (like 4-6 from what I remember reading, but been a while) kids died from them being assembled WRONG by the parents. So the gov wants to ban ALL cribs? Say what? kind of like guns and every other thing the gov wants to butt their heads in on and tell us what is good for us.

Again - I say it's to each their own and up to the parents and NOT the government. Parents also should not be held liable as it is their choice and they will have to live with the consequence. They are not WANTING their kids to be hurt one way or another so it's not criminal. Gov needs to stay out of this period.

 

Here's the other side of the coin. There is currently a measles epidemic in Britain which has been caused by children not being vaccinated. There has been over 1000 cases in the area to date.

The outbreak started last November.

A total of 84 people have been treated in hospital since it began while a post-mortem examination into the death of a man who died while suffering from measles proved inconclusive.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22350001

So if you chose not to immunise, be aware there may be consequences down the road.

 

It's all odds. Should I trade my truck in for a Volvo with 47 airbags? How many people die of the flu every year? How many people die from all of the diseases that immunizations prevent? I'm going to assume the flu kills more yet isn't mandated.

For the record, Volvos are sexy, lol.

 

True, but if you're exposed to the virus and you aren't immunised, the odds are very high you'll succumb to it. If you have a car crash, no amount of airbags or crumple zones are going to save you against a big enough impact.

It's about risk assessment (horrible expression :taped.

 

I thought I would interject here and say I can't believe the nerve of people on here talking about how vaccines are saving lives!!!! The only vaccine that I believe was worthy until companies started the eugenics program is the Polio vaccine. I don't trust any company that makes vaccines. I have read many stories where one person get's very ill from a vaccine that came from Merck and one person get's sick that gets one from Proctor and Gamble. All of my friend's who have children magically have ADD or some behavior problems. I blame the vaccine industry for most of our future generation's long list of problems. I think it is the responsibility of the parents to research before giving a public opinion.

Currently I should tell you that a close friend of mine has a friend who had a baby 2 months ago. After receiving birth shots baby has been having seizures ever since. For the first day before shots were given baby was breast feeding fine no major crying or problems. Mom was healthy during pregnancy. I also know three other friend's who have had their infant's die of "SIDS" and we all know it's a cover for vaccines murdering our bloodlines. Anyway I could go on and on. I will put some real information on here check it out for yourself!! We must preserve our future generations. I get my information from not just one place. I prefer to use www.naturalnews.com because everything I have ever read here is always credible.


http://www.naturalnews.com/038812_vaccines_childhood_deaths_toxic_chemicals.html


http://www.naturalnews.com/038675_coalition_mercury-free_drugs_vaccines.html


http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html


http://www.naturalnews.com/038420_flu_shots_toxins_chemical_preservatives.html

 

I have ADHD.

 

i actually blame pesticides and the like for add more than anything

 

The Volvo S60 Polestar.

 

The Volvo S60 Polestar.

It's no C30 but I wouldn't kick it out of bed. :

 

And by the way, I do not stand on either side of this argument. Just dropped by to post a perspective, granted an uneducated perspective at that.

 

Well at least I know the truth....I dare someone to try and stick my child or myself with a shot.....Over my dead body will they ruin my bloodline and harm my children!!! Soon everyone in the world will know about the eugenics program!!! I feel sorry for service men and woman who were genie pigs to the vaccine industry. My mom's boyfriend died about 3 years ago from cancer he served in Vietnam. He was subjected to many vaccines and agent Orange. I also have friend's who served in Iraq and now they are dying from munitions poisoning and it's being called PSTD....Bull...****. I could go on and on but like I said at least I know the truth and others are waking up at an alarming rate to this medical Tyranny!!!! God bless the good people of the world!

 

Well at least I know the truth....

Uh...

I dare someone to try and stick my child or myself with a shot.....

Ok.

Over my dead body will they ruin my bloodline and harm my children!!!

Too late.

Soon everyone in the world will know about the eugenics program!!!

This post is getting me to rethink my position on it.

I feel sorry for service men and woman who were genie pigs to the vaccine industry. My mom's boyfriend died about 3 years ago from cancer he served in Vietnam. He was subjected to many vaccines and agent Orange. I also have friend's who served in Iraq and now they are dying from munitions poisoning and it's being called PSTD....Bull...****. I could go on and on but like I said at least I know the truth and others are waking up at an alarming rate to this medical Tyranny!!!! God bless the good people of the world!

Oof.

 

By allowing "them" to mandate vaccinations, you are just a breath away from giving your okay to government controlled medicine. I'm not prepared to go that far myself...

Vaccines do not guarantee complete protection from a disease... they only improve your immunity (and unknown to most, they are laced with some bad stuff).

 

Vaccines do not guarantee complete protection from a disease... they only improve your immunity (and unknown to most, they are laced with some bad stuff).

Bingo, "Improve your immunity" as in improve your chances or odds. That is why people get vaccinated to improve your chances. Nothing is a 100 percent guarantee in every aspect of our life except that we will all pay taxes and die.

 

when we lived in Virginia we exempted our kids from having all vaccines based on religious grounds.

Now is it against our religion to vaccinate our kids?

Nope.

But we did not want to expose our kids, at such an early age to ALL the vaccines.

Now that they are grown they have completed all the recommended vaccines and are for the most part very healthy.

I guess it was the point that the goobermint was telling us what we had to do to our kids.

They didn't like it at the school when we told them they were exempt but there wasn't anything they could really do about it. This was 14 years ago.

 

Interesting, the schools still allowed them in because of the religious exemption?

 

The waiver laws vary by state. In Mississippi there is only a medical waiver and the MS Dept of Health routinely shoots those down.

 

They did a Law and Order episode on this subject that I saw a while back.

Mother A) low-class, trashy young thing whose child dies from a disease she (daughter) hadn't been immunized against YET; she was too young.

Mother B) Middle class, successful. Didn't immunize because she didn't believe it was right/safe; her child wasn't sick, but was the carrier that infected Mother A's daughter.
In the show, they prosecute Mother B for negligent homicide; reason being that her legal choice to not immunize her child led to the death of the other child.

Interesting concept purely for the philosophical argument and discussion. Generally, I find any form of collectivism abhorrent; we are not insects, and the right of the individual should be paramount, However, when it become a legitimate threat not to public good, but public safety (Typhoid Mary), then does the individual lose rights? I could see the argument comparing someone like that to a reckless or drunk driver; they may have the right to endanger their own lives as they wish, but endangering others justifies loss of freedom.

 

a drunk driver my not ever harm another person
a typhoid mary type person carriers are rare but if she just didnt cook for others and washed hands as its spread oral/fecal route would not be issue

there is no such thing as a threat to public safety either it is harming others or it is not there is no middle ground of it could harm someone crap so we must violate your rights

maybe we should lock up every asshat who ever showed up to school or work with the common cold because they cost the nation billions in productivity and possibly could kill a immune compromised individual if they are in proximity

 

Making vaccination mandatory by law would be awful. There is already too much interference with people's lives. As long as the child is fed, raised well and not abused society should not interfere.

I want to be able to say no to a vaccine. When the dang swine flu was new, people nagged me about getting the shot, what if it had been mandatory?

Yea, some parents make poor decisions, but even so, society doesn't always make the better ones.

 

You are more likely to be killed by a falling icicle than you are to die of MMR.

You are statistically more likely to die from a hotdog than the Chicken Pox which is now a mandatory vaccine.

We aren't talking about polio, small pox, or ebola here. We are talking statistically non-life threatening sicknesses here.

I mean parents that have obese children will statistically "cost us" more in health care and is more lethal than Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox etc.

Polio vaccine? Sure get that. Small pox? I am all about that. But the rest is just BS.

 

Most vaccines are against diseases that have a low virulence (kill you factor) such as the flu, whooping cough or make sense only in exposed populations (mom carries Hep B, TB, going to a third world country). Not all vaccines are inherently bad but the way they administer them is. When you are giving an undeveloped immune system an average of 24 shots by the time they are 2 years old that is too much for their immune system to cope with. There is a need to space out the doses and eliminate ones that are not critical to preventing death or debilitation.

Also, vaccines promote a humoral instead of cell mediated immune response. That's why you see a lot of these autoimmune diseases now compared to back in the day. The body loses it's ability to discriminate on what is and is not a threat and therefore attacks everything. There are many studies showing how farm kids and immigrant kids have a decreased amount of allergies due to the fact that they are exposed to a lot of different bacteria/viruses/antigens which makes their immune systems stronger and more able to sense what is a threat. Vaccines give you a false immunity, they "protect" you a against a certain disease but do your immune system no favors.

 

Most vaccines are against diseases that have a low virulence (kill you factor) such as the flu, whooping cough or make sense only in exposed populations (mom carries Hep B, TB, going to a third world country). Not all vaccines are inherently bad but the way they administer them is. When you are giving an undeveloped immune system an average of 24 shots by the time they are 2 years old that is too much for their immune system to cope with. There is a need to space out the doses and eliminate ones that are not critical to preventing death or debilitation.

Also, vaccines promote a humoral instead of cell mediated immune response. That's why you see a lot of these autoimmune diseases now compared to back in the day. The body loses it's ability to discriminate on what is and is not a threat and therefore attacks everything. There are many studies showing how farm kids and immigrant kids have a decreased amount of allergies due to the fact that they are exposed to a lot of different bacteria/viruses/antigens which makes their immune systems stronger and more able to sense what is a threat. Vaccines give you a false immunity, they "protect" you a against a certain disease but do your immune system no favors.

what you don't see in that statement is how many of those immigrant kids didn't make it to 5 to come to this country

 

My wife worked for a chiropractor in WA for a couple of years, and during that time, she personally saw 2 children who were normal, happy, healthy children until recieving their vaccines. One ended up with heavy metal poisoning, and the other ended up with severe seizures. Those families probably don't care how small the "statistical risk" is now.
The legal findings of a court do not necessarily reflect truth, they merely reflect who made the most convincing argument, in that judge's mind. I don't buy it, nor will I vaccinate my children. I will vigorously defend my RIGHT to protect my children from risks as *I* see fit. I am a citizen, not a subject.

 

i find that to be highly suspect sorry but the amount of metal needed for poisoning is alot higher than you would get in a vaccine anyway maybe they were eating paint chips