Sounds like you answered your own question.

Doesn't look good.

*they may merge your thread with a similar one running now.

 

One, of many, reasons I did not like Obama was for the fact he was attempting govern by executive fiat. President Trump is doing exactly the same, but to you point, within the confines of the constitution.... for now.

A government that attempts to run outside of the attended structure of the founders scares the bajesus out of me.

We are in for some interesting times.

 

Actually, from what I can tell, Trump is simply trying to undo the Kenyan's un-Constitutional executive orders while going the opposite direction in attempting to defend and uphold the Constitution.

But to the OP's question: I am in the process of buying a lot more ammo. I had become somewhat lax in my "prepping" over the past few years but I feel that something really bad is in the air. I always knew that there was a bad element of liberalism intertwined within our society but only now can I see just how entrenched it really is.

As a freedom lover and a believer/defender of the Constitution (as it was intended by the Founders) I feel that a civil war is already in full swing. So far, the violence has only been exhibited by the far-left, Soros-funded, radical Communists. However, they have the full backing of the Demwit Party & the far-left MSM and it only seems to be escalating. I think the wise thing to do is prepare for the worst. Hope I'm wrong but Communism is literally knocking on our front door.

Our founders fought against tyranny and were willing to put their lives on the line. The least we can do is follow in their footsteps.

 

Your previous identical Thread was merged with a ongoing Thread.

 

civil terrorism maybe, but civil war, no.

Civil war implies there is a separatist movement complete with a planned government and economy, and/or forcibly taking over the current government.

I honestly don't see that happening.

there may be random or possibly some minor coordinated acts of internal terrorism, and there certainly is a huge effort to reduce the effectiveness of the current presidency, but I don't think the kooks behind this have a REAL, workable, fully funded long-term plan.

there is a point where it will get old and stall out, money will dry up or be diverted elsewhere. these snowflakes will get pregnant, married, get jobs, overdose, whatever. life will go on and the futility will become evident to enough of them that it peters out to a more normal level of leftist insanity...

but if not, stay prepped my friends...

 

every time I turn around I’m hearing someone else say,” this is not my President.”

That's funny you've been here for 8 years and didn't seem to mind the phrase "not my President" before now.

 

In all fairness, that pResident had openly stated his intention to do the same things that caused the colonies to rebel in the first place, even lifting his ideas from the litany of complaints we had against King George III in the Declaration. That same Declaration commissions us to resist those ideas by any necessary means, including violence.

If the American people are to be faulted for their reaction to Barack Obama, we are to be faulted for our excessive tolerance and restraint.

 

Nope, no national civil war.

People have jobs, kids, houses... on a day-to-day basis the majority of Americans have it extremely good no matter who is in the white house.

What one person sees as disruptive is what another sees as free speech. One person sees executive orders as just while others see it was socialism. Just the way it is, because both have a point.

 

Nope, no national civil war.

People have jobs, kids, houses... on a day-to-day basis the majority of Americans have it extremely good no matter who is in the white house.

When "Average Joe" starts to lose those things or is at real threat, perceptions change.

What one person sees as disruptive is what another sees as free speech.

Bull****.
Only someone being deliberately obtuse or willfully ignorant sees violence against people or destruction of property as free speech.

 

Trump isn't the real target, let me just say that first. By attacking Trump's administration, the attackers are attempting to harm us. They're attempting to attack about 40% of the US population. We are the target, he's sort of the red bullseye in the middle. But it's all the same target.

Now beyond that, my thoughts:

Look at some of the more populated countries in the world that also have a larger land size compared to most. China, India, Brazil, Russia, etc. How many REALLY distinct cultures do they have in their countries? Maybe a few each? Generally speaking, a Russian who lives in Moscow isn't THAT different from one who lives in Vladivostok. Someone who lives in Shanghai isn't THAT different from someone who lives in Beijing.

Now think about the US. We have a large population and a large land size as well. But how many really distinct cultures do we have here? First of all, tons of immigrants, yes. But even when you look at the typical, white American who's ancestors have been here a long time, you still get vastly different cultural outlooks.

Take a 32 year old guy from Tuscaloosa, Alabama, a 23 year old woman from NYC, a 55 year old woman from Sierra Vista, Arizona and a 48 year old man from Seattle.

Odds are, these people aren't going to be on the same page with almost anything.

Water rights. Taxes. The Constitution. History books. Education. Average diet. Parenting. The role of the police. None of them will share the same slang, accent, they won't have the same understanding of law and order. Hell, list the jobs they do and chances are one or two of them won't even know that the others' jobs were even a thing at all. I read a little quote that said that decades ago, a high level tenured university professor might make a disparaging comment about the garbage man, but now, those professors don't even know that the garbage man exists anymore, figuratively speaking.

We have by far the largest mix of ingrained cultures in the entire world, BEFORE you even take into consideration the influx of immigrants (legal and illegal) we've taken in since 1980. Add that in, and their varying levels of assimilation, and you have a massive mix of cultures. A mix that large is not always going to be peaceful.

Cultural diversity in large enough numbers, added with ever increasing levels of forced proximity, added with the fact that most of those cultures don't want to be forced into proximity, added with the fact that some cultures are given preference and privilege over others, added with the act that ALL of those cultures tend to believe that they are on the losing end of those privileges... Equals friction. The friction is increasing and fuel is being added.

Eventually the fire will start, and sprinkler system (the police) is not equipped or able to put out the fires.

Take a look at what happened to Yugoslavia in the 80's and 90's. I believe it was about 1991 when the fighting really started. I think we are at 1989 or 1990 right now.

Yugoslavia was a fairly small country, but it was populated by many different cultures that were like oil and water toward each other. I think we are at that point. We talk about being united, but short of some kind of global war, there is nothing that can unite people who have such different philosophies, and those philosophies require eliminating the other philosophies.

How do you unite on gun control, when the anti-gunners are seen as totally dishonest in their goals and the pro-gunners are seen as wannabe mass murderers?

How do you unite on economy when one side is seen as a bunch of robbers and the other side is seen as a bunch of thieves?

How do you unite on electing the one person who will lead all 330 million people, when both candidates are seen by 40%+ of the population as someone who wants to put them all in concentration camps or kill them? I mean, no matter who won the election, at least 100 MILLION people were going to view them as some version of Hitler or Stalin.

We are so culturally, politically and philosophically polarized in America that I don't see a future absent of some type of Balkanization events.

 

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We are so culturally, politically and philosophically polarized in America that I don't see a future absent of some type of Balkanization events.

I shortened the quoted post because...well it's long.

But I agree with every word, and I wanted to ask if I could share it with my mom and uncle.

As for the poster who commented about people having jobs, being too busy to fight a war etc...I'm fairly sure life was disrupted for the Average Joe during every single confrontation that's ever taken place throughout human history. One day you were milking a cow and harvesting your wheat, the next day a troupe of recruiters on horseback come along and say "Hey, your country needs you and all your male children and relatives." Boom. Normalcy gone. It's go-time.

 

Okay, I was just lambasted by one of my liberal buds about the Hillary email scandal about the right spent millions of tax payers dollars crucifying her and now he's equating the Flynn situation to hers. I merely found some post from him blindly defending Hillary on the email scandal and merely posted "Hypocrite much?".

I then posted how I always thought the email scandal was nothing more than a non-sequitur but to even consider these 2 situations even remotely similar is beyond grasping at straws.

His rebuttal was a laden filled tirade about how the right is going to destroy the country and everyone is going to die... Maybe there is something to this whole civil war thang.

 

Yeah. A large part of the country thinks the other part is out to kill them, and is willing to go to violence over it, with no evidence.

And we are supposed to expect unity...

No.

 

Actually, I think you could probably say we are in the middle of a civil was as we speak. It's just that it's currently not at the classical level that most people envision when thinking about a civil war. Will it escalate to the classic level? Who knows, but I do expect an escalation of some kind. To what level I can't predict..

 

Actually, I think you could probably say we are in the middle of a civil was as we speak. It's just that it's currently not at the classic level that most people envision when thinking about a civil war. Will it escalate to the classic level? Who knows, but I do expect an escalation of some kind. To what level I can't predict..

It makes one think about what the "Average Joe" thought in the lead up to the Civil War.

I don't mean the Politicians, or the "Movers & Shakers" but the average citizen, how they perceived things? Most are generally consumed with their 'real' lives, family concerns etc.

 

BBEG=B ig, B ad, E vil, G uy?

 

Yup. It is an RPG term used for the stereotypical Big Bad Evil Guy

http://rpgmuseum.wikia.com/wiki/BBEG

BBEG is an acronym for Big Bad Evil Guy, and is a climactic villain in an action-adventure setting. A boss monster or boss villain is a video game term with a similar sense.

 

At this point the only thing that can stop a civil war and bring both sides together is a full out war with another country.

 

AGREED.

Sociology 101 - In Group - Out Group dynamics.
I often say the only way we will have World Peace is when the Aliens show themselves.

Now that we as a species KNOW how we act, we can BEHAVE differently.
We wont... but we CAN.:thumb:

 

Jmoho but the only thing preventing a civil war is geography. THE civil war was divided along geographic lines. Right now strife is wide spread. Yes there are distinct differences in beliefs between the west coast and the northeast but those folks cannot possibly coordinate and effect an attack on another state without THE elected feds knowing before hand. It would be quickly repelled. The only trigger i see is something so egregious that it divides the military. Then look out.

 

The US Military is not one homogeneous entity. While it generally leans heavy Conservative, the internal Political and Religious beliefs vary just as much as the overall population.

Any form of internal strife would fracture the military as well. There would be bloody in-fighting among units and on installations.

 

No one is going to forgo their internet, warm beds, fast food, or the ability to be lazy in order to fight a civil war.

While we think there are two sides there are many many more and they are not joining forces anytime soon.

 

While we think there are two sides there are many many more and they are not joining forces anytime soon.

No, there really are only two sides, people just like to pretend there are not because it makes them feel better.

-Those that feel the government should be the end-all be-all to every problem and must protect them from themselves.

-Those that just want to live their life.


That is it. Period. To pretend anything else it playing into the idiotic political narrative that has gotten us where we are at. The problem is the two groups cannot co-exist, they are directly opposed to one another.

 

Do ALL businesses in KY need a permit?

I believe I am IN BUSINESS when I SAY I am.
I would let ANY agent of the .gov provide evidence or testimony to the contrary if they wish to... They wont.:thumb:

Things may not work that way in KY.

You recall correctly...
I am not IN the US.
probably couldnt even find it onna map

You are prolly correct on your other "talking points" as well.
I am wrong A LOT.

 

Do ALL businesses in KY need a permit?

Yes and no at the same time, it is what is so confusing.

There is no general business permit like in other states and anyone can just 'do business' when they want to. Unfortunately there are fifty or so (maybe more/less, I have not counted) individual permits for specific businesses and if your business does not fit into a neat category . . . there are problems.

Then there is the issue of each city/county having their own permit process on top of the state, and including fees etc . . . some of these are recent as well.

I believe I am IN BUSINESS when I SAY I am.
I would let ANY agent of the .gov provide evidence or testimony to the contrary if they wish to... They wont.:thumb:

Things may not work that way in KY.

It does not work that way in most states, even when operating as a sole propriety.

You recall correctly...
I am not IN the US.
probably couldnt even find it onna map

It was not an insult, not meant to be one, but it is a matter of 'perception' really. People like myself have to deal with this messy, idiotic bureaucracy constantly, and it is not easy to 'fight back' against it when they are so ingrained in every day business and life.

You are prolly correct on your other "talking points" as well.
I am wrong A LOT.

I think you missed it. The "20 MILLION HAVE INSURANCE!!!!" has been the Left/Democrat talking point since the ACA/ObamaCare fiasco was rolled out.

 

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/c...entary/charlie-daniels/charlie-daniels-its-only-matter-time-there-blood-streets


Thoughts from Charlie Daniels

 

So many threads and comments about civil war, civil unrest, the left and the right on the forum, I feel like I'm back in the 60's.

Except I don't have hair anymore. Long OR short. And the music is different.

But you kids enjoy yourselves, hear? Just make sure you clean up after you're done. :thumb:

 

Hmm... maybe I spoke to soon about a ray of sunshine

 

A serious, intelligent, respectful discussion on a serious matter. What a ray of sunshine.

Many here has a very firm grasp of the situation and have made some intelligent, thoughtful posts.

I believe, what we are seeing is the shadow government coming out of the shadows. The left and the globallist can't lose all they gained. Trump administration has to go.

Will they be successful? I don't know. But what happens if they do succeed. The country will be at such a fever pitch by the that time, any thing can happen.

 

I am hearing the words "Deep State" used on the radio where I NEVER have before.:thumb:

I am hearing Flynn was a causality of the IRAN DEAL.
He was against it and was going to out details... the folks in Deep State intelligence didnt want to allow that.

 

War.

Charlie says it ALL!!!. http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/c...entary/charlie-daniels/charlie-daniels-its-only-matter-time-there-blood-streets

 

How it will start...

It will not be the plain old people like you and me who will start any conflict. It will be the extremists on either side who will start the conflict. The radicalized left will destroy one place to many during some protest or riot, and the people on the extreme right will say they have had enough and react in a violent way. The police will be way in over their heads and once that happens it will snowball and become bigger and bigger. You will be expected to chose one side or the other. When the violence gets so bad people will ask themselves "How the heck did we get into this mess". It will start a lot easier than it will stop. It is a scary thought but it is a scenario I can see happening very easily. For an old coot like me, that is a scary proposition and one I pray does not happen. I have never seen this country as polarized as it is now. It is a them Vs Us mentality. There are no cooler heads prevailing and no one will listen to them anyway.

 

It will not be the plain old people like you and me who will start any conflict. It will be the extremists on either side who will start the conflict. The radicalized left will destroy one place to many during some protest or riot, and the people on the extreme right will say they have had enough and react in a violent way. The police will be way in over their heads and once that happens it will snowball and become bigger and bigger. You will be expected to chose one side or the other. When the violence gets so bad people will ask themselves "How the heck did we get into this mess". It will start a lot easier than it will stop. It is a scary thought but it is a scenario I can see happening very easily. For an old coot like me, that is a scary proposition and one I pray does not happen. I have never seen this country as polarized as it is now. It is a them Vs Us mentality. There are no cooler heads prevailing and no one will listen to them anyway.

Who are these right wing extremists of whom you speak? We just had 8 years of assaults on our American way of life, throwing the future of the Republic into the air like a coin toss, and the only thing the right wing "extremists" did was demonstrate restraint and tolerance to a fault.

 

One thing about Obama he was the best gun salesman in the world. I know people that never considered owning a firearm before Obama was president and about half way through his first term they had purchases at least two guns.

 

The same probably goes for Trump. The left is buying more guns . Same with any election over there: The other side thinks doomsday is coming, the great collapse, and needs guns for protection .

 

Timing. If it happens, it'll start in the summer. Likely a BLM moment. Recall Rodney King?
1968?

 

I do not think there will be a "Civil war" or what we would define as a war, but more of these clashes around big cities, in the suburbs and on the highways around the cities. I think we are seeing the start of them now. How many times have we watched these antifa, blm and any other group surround cars or people and thought " i would be running over these people or I would be pulling my firearm"? I have a wife and four kids, I will not fight in the classic definition of a war, but if my wife or kids are in harms way I will strike with a vengeance and I will not stop until the threat is vanquished. I think there are millions of fathers and mothers that feel the same way as I do and God willing act accordingly.

 

I know. Been feeling something since Trump. I feel relief that he is our President. But the reactions of The Left are worrying me! So am starting to Prep more..actually learning how to use my gun. My husband is doing more target practice as well. This feels...not good!

 

You tell me.

 

Those are anonymous internet entities. We know nothing of their race or intentions. The first guess as to who is posting that crap may not be the best guess.

 

Alot of the societal symptoms you describe are late empire ailments brought on by slowly building costs and economic stagnation brought on by lower cost competition.special interests who style themselves as powerful and influential have realised that compared to most nations budgets, they are pathetic jokes, so they invented Globalist agenda they can use to slowly destroy national soveriegnty (open borders) and enslave the citizens and currencies ( completely digital money). They employ useful idiots like progressives, liberals and money/power junkies like Soros, the Rothschilds, the Koch B'Rose or manchurian candidate leaders like obama, Bush II and the Clintons, Merkle, Hollande, etc.