A sad day for many reasons.

 

Good for them.

 

Sure and the Irish - whose war songs are all happy, and whose love songs are all sad! :


At least their national weapons are the claymore, or the Irish equivalent, and the shillelagh!

 

Sounds more like something France would do. I'm sending dirty looks in the direction of Ireland. My heritage is mostly Irish too.

 

Alabama just nullified all state marriage..... now thats a true win

 

This is a very interesting bit of legislation to watch. A lot more interesting than another "look, they just legalized gay marriage" or "look, they just struck down gay marriage" news piece.

 

My only problem with gay marriage is the potential fraud involved. If two dudes have been buddies and room mates for years, what's to stop them from getting legally married and reaping some financial benefits?


As far as homosexuality goes, I don't think I could possible care less what consenting adults do in private.

 

My only problem with gay marriage is the potential fraud involved. If two dudes have been buddies and room mates for years, what's to stop them from getting legally married and reaping some financial benefits?

I am sure many straight men will take advantage of this loophole. Saving a few bucks is worth all the grief pretending (?) to be gay will bring them.

 

They've come along way in a short period of time on the issue of homosexuality upto and including ignoring the opinions of the Church in Rome on the subject.

I have to admit to being surprised at the outcome of the vote to say the least

 

That statement is not correct.

 

I just get very tired of people making up stuff "from the Bible", distorting the Bible, etc. The Bible is clear: all fornication, gay, straight, all of it - sin.

I don't run around misquoting gay advocates, or twisting what they say.

I also get very tired of "tolerance" only headed to the left side of the equation. As an evangelical, born-again, straight woman I deserve the same courtesy and respect the lefties claim they "deserve".

 

I just get very tired of people making up stuff "from the Bible", distorting the Bible, etc. The Bible is clear: all fornication, gay, straight, all of it - sin.

I don't run around misquoting gay advocates, or twisting what they say.

I also get very tired of "tolerance" only headed to the left side of the equation. As an evangelical, born-again, straight woman I deserve the same courtesy and respect the lefties claim they "deserve".

So youre saying you want Born-again Chistian straight women to have the right to legally recognized marriage? - Done. :thumb:

 

I see the down fall of America when they do this,,,, we are NOT a Christian nation , we are a SINFUL ONE,,,, believe it!

 

The funny thing about history is those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it. So many around here repeat it daily.

This is the same rhetoric we heard about blacks and whites getting married, women getting the right to vote...etc.

This just in, the earth is round.

 

I think it's sickening how the will of the people was made law. My great grandmother was Irish princess and she must be spinning in her grave probably.

 

The Joke is on the Gays, Ireland has no divorce.

How would you like to be forced to have your ex-spouse involved in your legal and financial affairs. Oh and have a say with children from your second marriage.

 

Puts a new twist on Danny Boy and that 'pipe' that's calling...


Now Government, get out of the marriage business.

 

I have absolutely nothing against gays or gay marriage. Good for the gays, God bless them and I wish them well. However, as an Irishman I'm kind of ****ed that this is now my heritage country’s legacy. The Irish used to be thought of as rough around the edges, brawlers, hard drinkers, hard workers and overcomers of extreme adversity.

I'm pretty sure fighting for the equality of marriage between two adults no matter the gender falls under "overcoming extreme adversity".

 

Now Hugh Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzhugh will be more than just a distasteful joke. :

 

I'm a bit ashamed of the Irish in my veins but I'm more Scottish/English than I am Irish so there's some consolation there. The Irish reputation of "manliness" just took a nose dive. Sad day indeed!

 

I have a hard time thinking this is something to be proud of

 

If gay folk wanna put up with never ending nagging and only get BJs once a year, all the power to them.

 

I have absolutely nothing against gays or gay marriage. Good for the gays, God bless them and I wish them well. However, as an Irishman I'm kind of ****ed that this is now my heritage country’s legacy. The Irish used to be thought of as rough around the edges, brawlers, hard drinkers, hard workers and overcomers of extreme adversity. Did we really have to be the ones to break the ice on this issue? Couldn’t have been the second country to legalize it? The Irish need to legalize dueling to settle feuds or some other bad-ass country redeeming activity to offset the image ....

I hear ya mate!
The debate in now raging in Australia.
Very similar outlook & mindset between our 2 countries. I think, like the Irish, Aussies are so desperate to change & prove we have our own distinct culture... that we've forgotten about what our values really are.

I mean, Both countries economies have been flushed down the ****er... but if we just allow the gays to marry everything will be alright

I think we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

I hear ya mate!
The debate in now raging in Australia.
Very similar outlook & mindset between our 2 countries. I think, like the Irish, Aussies are so desperate to change & prove we have our own distinct culture... that we've forgotten about what our values really are.

I mean, Both countries economies have been flushed down the ****er... but if we just allow the gays to marry everything will be alright

I think we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Isaiah 5:20-23, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!"

Evil, in our day and age, is now called "good."

 

bein half Irish, I remember fondly the old standard, "why was alcohol invented? why to keep the Irish from ruling the world of course. " sad to see what the next bunch of jokes will be....

 

Actually thought they were smarter than that. Oh well.

 

you and me both, although , i was beginning to wonder when after all the years of fighting for independence from the crown,, they turned it down without so much as a whimper......

 

Considering Irelands history it is wonderful to have something to be happy about. A lot of this isn't at all to do with religious rights of marriage but legal rights. When one marries you get a hell of a lot more legal protection if that spouse dies then you do if your not. You are also allowed more rights if you divorce, and I bet they will they will just come over to England to do it.

For instance in the UK if you are a single man, have more then £325K estate when you die the Government will take 40-60% of that as inheritance tax. However, if your married then that amount goes up to £600K, that does not include people who have been living together.

Another thing, if you live with someone in their house, but they wont take any money from you, if they want you to move out, you have no legal right not to. That person can literally chuck you and your stuff out at 3am in the morning in the middle of winter and you have no legal rights at all. BUT if you do pay them an assigned amount of money then they need a court order. A lot of this happens when one partner insists on paying all the bills while other other stays at home looking after the kids.

Personally I can't see any reason for marriage unless you want kids or legal protection, otherwise why bother!

 

Well this is the start, many more countries will follow...not an automatic sign its right though.

If this came to your country, how would you feel if the government legislated it and all churches have to comply?

Most proper stewards of the Bible would say get married if you like, but you cannot in our church whilst others seeking to grow numbers will sell out. Whatever your view on the religious angle would you like you government legislating what doctrine a church can and can't have.

Used to be strong views about church and government being too close.

In Australia I'm led to believe same sex partners have the same legal rights as those under common law marriage legislation, so upon death assets, insurance, superannuation. I think with setting up of various different legal mechanisms like the various types of trusts its actually easy to replicate husband/wife rights to property.

Legal recognition of the union? Yea lacking, but its only the recognition not the legal abilities and rights, all replicable.

Other thing they're missing out on is the ability of a priest to actually marry them I'm sure that will come in time too, however that would require a church that ignores chosen parts of the Bible it finds disagreeable.

Will it come to our country, yes almost certainly will. Its the way of the world. Thankfully we live in a country where we can disagree with a decision although some love to call anyone of a different view "intolerant". Smacks of lack of intellectual credibility when people falsely play the tolerance card

 

The greater issue is that "Marriage" is a Christian religious ceremony & union.

This whole issue shows how entangled in our lives the Govt. has become.

 

Its nice to see the free thinkers across the pond doing the right thing. I'm just disappointed that they beat us to the punch.....but not for long, the SCOTUS will act very, very soon.

 

Isn't it still a little embarrassing for us that Ireland's people were able to do it themselves instead of needing SCOTUS to enforce the Equal Protection clause?

I'm embarrassed for our country.