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About every post you made has to do with getting shot or money.....I highly suggest you dont join.
He's a kid, cut him a little slack. I didn't know anything about the military beyond Hollywood crap at that age, and I doubt many others did either. By asking questions and educating himself now he will be better able to make a good decision when the time comes and most likely be a better recruit than the ones who sit around and cry about their recruiters lying because they jumped in blindly.
 
He's a kid, cut him a little slack. I didn't know anything about the military beyond Hollywood crap at that age, and I doubt many others did either. By asking questions and educating himself now he will be better able to make a good decision when the time comes and most likely be a better recruit than the ones who sit around and cry about their recruiters lying because they jumped in blindly.
The Military is the worst decision you can make especially now. I have 6 years recent active a total waste of time. He seems to think you can make money or retire, several people have told him you cant. Besides he is only 14 most likely he will change his mind a 100 times before he turns 18. Best bet is college and start a good job in a secure field like Medical with all the government funding there will always be work.
 
The Military is the worst decision you can make especially now. I have 6 years recent active a total waste of time. He seems to think you can make money or retire, several people have told him you cant. Besides he is only 14 most likely he will change his mind a 100 times before he turns 18. Best bet is college and start a good job in a secure field like Medical with all the government funding there will always be work.
It is very possible to make money and retire from the military, if you're smart enough to save and invest instead of partying, buying cars, and rushing into marriage. Sorry you wasted your time, but you should be trying to help him make better decisions based on that experience instead of trying to blame your failures on the military.

College is no guarantee of anything, and is not the best path for many (most?) people. Whether or not it is the right choice for the OP is for him to decide in a few years, and it is great that he is seeking advice now. I wish I had done the same, I would have done some things differently during my own enlistment.
 
It is very possible to make money and retire from the military, if you're smart enough to save and invest instead of partying, buying cars, and rushing into marriage. Sorry you wasted your time, but you should be trying to help him make better decisions based on that experience instead of trying to blame your failures on the military.

College is no guarantee of anything, and is not the best path for many (most?) people. Whether or not it is the right choice for the OP is for him to decide in a few years, and it is great that he is seeking advice now. I wish I had done the same, I would have done some things differently during my own enlistment.
Yes you can save money if you never party and sit on base by yourself with no friends but what the hell is the point of that? Factor all the hours you were in not on leave and see how much you made. You might as well worked at taco bell. I got out and went to the sheriffs and joined as that was all my training was really good for. But left that shortly as I couldnt stand most of the people there as they were all fresh out of high school and filled with BS who were to scared to actually join the military.
 
Yes you can save money if you never party and sit on base by yourself but what the hell is the point of that?
Walking away with a nice stack of cash and some good investments like the apartment buildings that FBK mentioned. You apparently made the wrong choice, as did I and so many others.

I'm glad I was smart enough to get out with a paid off car (which I still drive) and no wife, kids or debt, but I kick myself for not doing better than that. I should have drank and partied less, saved more, left my car stock instead of modding and racing, bought gold and stacked it deep when I had the chance to get it for $350/oz in the ME, taken better care of myself instead of toughing out injuries, and reenlisted instead of letting the politics of one bad command discourage me.

If sharing my experience, good and bad, helps someone else to do better then I am happy to do what I can. What I won't do is sit around and whine about how the military is BS and I got screwed, because if there was any screwing going on I did it to myself.
 
Another thing to consider...I was in comms, I thought when I got out that that was the most useless tradestream that I could've picked.

For 13 years, I bummed around as a security guard. Then, one day, I scored a government job directly related to what I did 13 years earlier in the army. And by directly related, I mean that I went straight back to the same training establishment that I'd attended while in the army to do what was basically the same course, only as a civilian.

Never discount your military experience!
 
This may also be a dumb question but what's the difference between the army and the marine'? Like what do they do thats different? And can someone please explain reenlistment bonus's?
In the military it costs to train people, for some it costs a great deal more than others. In the Navy I trained as a Fire Control Technician, this is advanced electronics training dealing with Missile fire control systems. My training after boot camp lasted seven months and can last some up to 10 or 11 months. The two schools of training I recieved were estimated at a cost of about 1.2 million to the Navy per student who made it through. Coming out of our A school we were E3 and were then given our duty station. By the time you get to your duty station you have been in for a year or more already leaving the Navy less than three years or less to recoup that training cost out of you.

When I was in I was offered $75k for reenlistment as an FCT, this keeps them from having to spend another 1.2 million on training another successfull FCT. Another reason as well is that 80% of the people who go FCT do not make it through the school successfully. It is harder to find someone that can do that job, so it makes sense to give a reelistment bonus to keep the ones that can.

There are a lot of rates in the military where this system applies. Reelistment bonuses can really jack up what you make over the course of your career.

That is the best explanation I can give.
 
Yeah, The MENS Department....:D: Just messing with you Doc! Semper Fi.
HAHAHAHA I knew that one was coming!


edit: to the OP; when you join the military this is what you get, above all else, a comradeship with all those who have served and who will serve. You will always have your brothers in arms and they will always have you. No one else knows what the suck is like, what you have to put up with, what the good times are vs the bad. No civilian will ever come close to understanding the minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years of training it takes. It doesn't end at basic, it keeps going and you will be training for your entire career. It sucks, it does, you go hungry, cold, tired, wet, miserable... but everyone else that's with you is going through the same thing, your brothers know what you went through, and what you're going through. They get shot at just like you will, they fear death just like you do, and they would carry your coffin home and shed tears with your family just like you would for them. It's not for the faint of heart, there's a reason only 10% of the population manage it, but I wouldn't trade a single second of my service for anything.
 
Good to ask now...

... all these questions, while you are still young enough to prepare. Basically, it boils down to this:

Are you prepared to take a bullet, or someone else's life, for your country. I don't mean the current administration, or the next. But your country.

Pay, living conditions, image, etc. is secondary to that one question.

Now to answer some of those questions from my viewpoint:

USMC is the least thought of as far as being good for your money making plans in life. It can be done, and you can benefit greatly from the lessons taught, if you let yourself.

USMC is the first thought of for being a kick butt regular branch of service. Not counting Special Forces, the Marines have a tough reputation. It is well deserved. All that stuff that MilDot was complaining about stems from that. All reputations suffer more from one bad mark, than from 10 good ones. From resturaunts, to people, to the military, it is a truth. If the Corps can get the individual Marine to uphold everything about the Corps high in his esteem, he won't do things that mar its image. Image is important today for two main reasons (although there are more... much more)

1. The missions of todays warfighters are less about combat than winning hearts and minds.
2. Their budget (as stated before) is given to them by another branch, not the DOD directly. Not bringing the Navy down is key to their budget concerns. Civilian control of the purse strings means that we had/have to be that image to ensure we got/get our due!

Like I said there are more reasons, like pride in your work, self esteem, etc. All important. Watch people in a VA hospitol. One of the nurses there, two years after I got out, commented to another as I was walking up "He's a Marine." "How can you tell?" the other asked. "Look at the way he walks," she said. Part of the pride instilled is to overcome the downfalls compared to other services. We take pride in "doing more with less."

The main thing that matters to most Marines, however "OOH-RAH" they are, is each other. It was never supposed to be colledge, a vacation, or a summer camp. It was meant to be a fighting force that was mobile on the ocean's first, then the oceans and the air. Shock troopers, First in Last out, America's Emergency Force, all have been used to describe todays Marine Corps. While the Army was originally supposed to be the conquering/occupation force in traditional Military thinking, the Marines are the quick reaction force. Two totally different roles. That is changing as the Army has had to shift priorities since the enemies have changed. The Marines mostly have seen the world change to their style of combat, instead.

There is no shame in any service, however. It all depends on what you want when you get out. If you desire to know that there is nothing that can stop you if you just put your will behind it, go Corps. They pull that out of you, if you actually do desire it. Sure there are a lot of people who hate the life and start thinking about getting out after the first week. It is not for everyone. It's not supposed to be. It is a volunteer Military, so the people there need to love it. I would still be in today, but being a single dad is not conducive to Mission Accomplishment. I could have stayed in (and would have if there was another way), and shuffled my kid onto someone else, but she was my responsibility, and I could not be her parent while deployed. But I will never regret it and had some of my best(and worst) times while I was in.

Semper Fi.
 
Walking away with a nice stack of cash and some good investments like the apartment buildings that FBK mentioned. You apparently made the wrong choice, as did I and so many others.

I'm glad I was smart enough to get out with a paid off car (which I still drive) and no wife, kids or debt, but I kick myself for not doing better than that. I should have drank and partied less, saved more, left my car stock instead of modding and racing, bought gold and stacked it deep when I had the chance to get it for $350/oz in the ME, taken better care of myself instead of toughing out injuries, and reenlisted instead of letting the politics of one bad command discourage me.

If sharing my experience, good and bad, helps someone else to do better then I am happy to do what I can. What I won't do is sit around and whine about how the military is BS and I got screwed, because if there was any screwing going on I did it to myself.
Or get a job and only have to work 40 hours a week instead of 24/7 you are better off say starting apprenticeship. In 5 years with the IBEW you could be making $25-$55 depending on where you live if you go IUEC even more.

My point is he seems to want to join for money which is a very poor reason to join.
 
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I dont want to join for the money. Im just curious about it. Like I said I have plenty of reason's for wanting to join.

When I say what's the difference between the army and the marine's I mean why do the marines have a reputation for being more badass than the army? Do marine's perform tougher tasks and more intense training?
 
Or get a job and only have to work 40 hours a week instead of 24/7 you are better off say starting apprenticeship. In 5 years with the IBEW you could be making $25-$55 depending on where you live if you go IUEC even more.

My point is he seems to want to join for money which is a very poor reason to join.

IF you can find a good job. I am on job #8 since I got out, and only one has paid as well as the military, the others significantly less. The best paying one was tied to luxury services for the wealthy and went to hell after the housing collapse. I bounced between part-time or low-wage crap after that, with a couple of the companies going under and the others having no opportunity for raises or advancement. There isn't much incentive to offer raises and promotions when there are so many people desperate to have a job, any job. I finally got on with USPS last year making decent money. Not as good as the military, but the best I had seen in several years. Guess what happened? The facility I was at made the closure list. Now I'm on the opposite side of the country, starting over yet again with part-time near-minimum wage and happy just to have something.

If I had stayed in I would likely be an E-7, maybe even an E-8 making well over what I do now and being 8 years from retirement. Combine the pay with a potential near-zero cost of living and I would be a hell of a lot more financially comfortable.

I have good things in my life now and wouldn't want to walk away from it all, but I can't help wondering what life would be like if I had stayed in. It certainly wouldn't be the financial disaster you are trying to paint it as. There is so much more job security in the military than the private sector, and the potential to do very well for yourself. There was a cook on my last ship who was months away from retiring (at E-6) as a multimillionaire because he saved every cent he made over those 20 years and invested it wisely. His one luxury was a bottle of Crown Royal each month, beyond that he spent almost nothing. I bet he doesn't regret missing the parties, cars, and other superficial BS that so many of us get sucked into.
 
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