Anyone using a Holosun optic on their ar15? Looking at the 510c an was wondering if anyone has any experience with them.
Thanks
Thanks
jppaul16441
I dont run holosun but this dude does and i might: https://warriorpoetsupplyco.com/hs507k-subcompact-pistol-sight-holosun/
If they were 30.00 I might buy them but not when they charge the same price as lower end US made ones.
I was given a holosun 503R. The red circle dot model with a dial. Glass was good. Better than trijicon MRO in terms of parallax. I liked the reticle better than eotech's fuzz. Mount sucks and cowittness height is off for aftermarket mounts if that matters to you. Can't comment on durability. I only used it a couple times. I personally wouldn't pay money for a holosun because they're made in china and other options exist. Rather buy used on ebay.
I run Sig Saur shake awakes on mine. Never had a problem and they keep zero. They are resold to Sig from Holosun.
I've been running two Sig Romeo 5's for a while now. Never had a problem out of either one of them.
Picked up a holosun with the ACSS reticle for kids AR and have to say it's worked great. Been dropped , banged around and not a issue. 12yr old hits targets just fine with it and the particular reticle, one learn the concept makes for accurate shooting.
As far as chicom goes , as we've seen, very few things are totally made here in the states. Even my nightforce has components made elsewhere, I believe glass is from Japan. Though its advertised as US product. Whatever phone computer etc your reading this on has chicom parts. While id love everything to be 100% made and assembled here just not practical.
As far as chicom goes , as we've seen, very few things are totally made here in the states. Even my nightforce has components made elsewhere, I believe glass is from Japan. Though its advertised as US product. Whatever phone computer etc your reading this on has chicom parts. While id love everything to be 100% made and assembled here just not practical.
Holosun has proven to be an excellent value and bang for your buck, especially considering many owners have a multiple rifles and buying an Aimpoint Micro (or similar) for all of them is cost prohibitive.
They have been around long enough, proliferated sufficiently, and have been reviewed (along with torture tested) exhaustively enough that they're good to go in my opinion.
Had these existed in their current form back in the early to mid 2000s, they would have been the cats ass and the standard by which others are judged even if the price point was tripled. Beware of expectation shift influencing opinion, it wasn't so long ago that the iPhone 3 was the best phone in the world, something we'd turn our nose up at today.
They have been around long enough, proliferated sufficiently, and have been reviewed (along with torture tested) exhaustively enough that they're good to go in my opinion.
Had these existed in their current form back in the early to mid 2000s, they would have been the cats ass and the standard by which others are judged even if the price point was tripled. Beware of expectation shift influencing opinion, it wasn't so long ago that the iPhone 3 was the best phone in the world, something we'd turn our nose up at today.
The 403B is solid for the $. The 403B comes with a both riser mounts for lower 1/3 co-witness and absolute co-witness, Sig Romeo 5 only comes absolute co-witness mount.
Love him or hate him, James Yeager installs them on his rental guns at TR and says he has yet to see one break.
Love him or hate him, James Yeager installs them on his rental guns at TR and says he has yet to see one break.
I have 2 Eotech's and one Holosun. The Eotech reticle is generated by a laser and looks less pleasing,,,, at first.
The Holosun appears clear, has a nice sharp-looking choice of dot, circle and circle+dot. It also has solar power, instant-on and long battery life, along with a quick release. To the novice, it appears to be a far better product.
However, in real world use, such as my hard-core backyard shooting range
the more capable Eotech comes into it's own. The center dot is much smaller, especially when not overly bright, this leads to pinpoint accuracy at longer distances. Don't discount this, as it's important the dot does not obscure a large part of the target. The Eotech's glass is better with less distortion, also leading to better accuracy. The protective cover is also spaced away from the unit to ensure it is very damage tolerant. The end result is that the Eotech is both a more robust and a more precise product, with double the accuracy.
The problem with the Holosun is not the build quality, it seems good enough. It's the combination of mediocre optics and a large central dot that will obscure 8 inches of your target at 400 yards. Before you yell at me and say that red dots are useless at long distances, that's just not so. The Eotech can be used at distance with sufficient accuracy, the Holosun cannot.
The Holosun appears clear, has a nice sharp-looking choice of dot, circle and circle+dot. It also has solar power, instant-on and long battery life, along with a quick release. To the novice, it appears to be a far better product.
However, in real world use, such as my hard-core backyard shooting range
the more capable Eotech comes into it's own. The center dot is much smaller, especially when not overly bright, this leads to pinpoint accuracy at longer distances. Don't discount this, as it's important the dot does not obscure a large part of the target. The Eotech's glass is better with less distortion, also leading to better accuracy. The protective cover is also spaced away from the unit to ensure it is very damage tolerant. The end result is that the Eotech is both a more robust and a more precise product, with double the accuracy.The problem with the Holosun is not the build quality, it seems good enough. It's the combination of mediocre optics and a large central dot that will obscure 8 inches of your target at 400 yards. Before you yell at me and say that red dots are useless at long distances, that's just not so. The Eotech can be used at distance with sufficient accuracy, the Holosun cannot.
No worries, red dots are just fine for long distances (long being a relative term of course!)
I put it to people this way -- even a 3 MOA red dot is vastly finer an aiming point than the front sight post, and if the USMC is expected to qualify out to 500y with irons... well the red dot should certainly yield even better results even out to those distances, limited only by the shooter's eyesight and fundamentals (and to a lesser degree the inherent capabilities of the gun).
A more valid argument against red dots out to those ranges is lack of target ID that comes with lack of magnification, but it's no worse than irons in that case either.
Though I don't use Eotechs, I do like the 1 MOA center dot for the reasons you specified. Even a 3 MOA dot works in my case, because most of my guns shoot about 3 MOA with the ammo I use, which means I can use the whole dot as a representation of the dispersion of the impacts, and assume it will land somewhere in there
I put it to people this way -- even a 3 MOA red dot is vastly finer an aiming point than the front sight post, and if the USMC is expected to qualify out to 500y with irons... well the red dot should certainly yield even better results even out to those distances, limited only by the shooter's eyesight and fundamentals (and to a lesser degree the inherent capabilities of the gun).
A more valid argument against red dots out to those ranges is lack of target ID that comes with lack of magnification, but it's no worse than irons in that case either.
Though I don't use Eotechs, I do like the 1 MOA center dot for the reasons you specified. Even a 3 MOA dot works in my case, because most of my guns shoot about 3 MOA with the ammo I use, which means I can use the whole dot as a representation of the dispersion of the impacts, and assume it will land somewhere in there
Making matters just as bad is the 1:1 copies sold on wish and other sites out of China that are branded as acog, eotech etc introduced into the market here.
Fella at local gun show was out quite alot of money on a bulk purchase from what he thought was reputable source only to find out later on a warranty issue that they were just very good copies..
Fella at local gun show was out quite alot of money on a bulk purchase from what he thought was reputable source only to find out later on a warranty issue that they were just very good copies..
The HS 403B 2MOA RDS is on sale for $129 at PSA
https://palmettostatearmory.com/holosun-micro-sight-dot-reticle-with-shake-awake-hs403b.html
https://palmettostatearmory.com/holosun-micro-sight-dot-reticle-with-shake-awake-hs403b.html
If you can, make the effort and get an Aimpoint. There's no comparing que quality with a Holosun. Granted, maybe its overkill, but its gear that will not let you down, lasts a lifetime, can be resold if ever needed retaining its value considrably and you are not giving your money to a china based company. At this stage, that the company owners are Americans only makes it worse in my opinon. The way I see it, China is at war with the western world. Just my take, but going back to your quesition the quality of aimpoint is on another level compared to Holosun.
I bought a Sig Romeo5X and it died 1st time at the range with less than 200rds fired. Note: It was below freezing at the range. Probably just a fluke. They have a lifetime warranty by Sig. Thats great and all but its hard to return it when you're dead. Sig hides the fact that they're made in china, the same chinese factory as the holosun.
With the exception of Aimpoint which is made in Sweden, afaik all red dots are made by the ccp.
I just found out that the Trijicon x3 magnifier is made by the ccp. I had an order for one on backorder, found this out and promptly canceled my order. I wont support the ccp anymore, I'd rather go without.
Remember when they had to label products with the country of origin? From now on if it doesnt say Made in the USA, I'm going to assume its made in china.
I ended up going with eotech - Both the parent company (Lehman Brothers) L-3 Harris & EOTech have been fined to a tune of $36M in the past 6yrs by the US Government, poor ethics? sure, but at least they're made in the USA. (I think) :thumb:
With the exception of Aimpoint which is made in Sweden, afaik all red dots are made by the ccp.
I just found out that the Trijicon x3 magnifier is made by the ccp. I had an order for one on backorder, found this out and promptly canceled my order. I wont support the ccp anymore, I'd rather go without.
Remember when they had to label products with the country of origin? From now on if it doesnt say Made in the USA, I'm going to assume its made in china.
I ended up going with eotech - Both the parent company (Lehman Brothers) L-3 Harris & EOTech have been fined to a tune of $36M in the past 6yrs by the US Government, poor ethics? sure, but at least they're made in the USA. (I think) :thumb:
So what optic/s would be 100% made in the USA from parts sourced & made in the USA as well as assembled in the USA for under $300? I try to buy made in America as much as I can, but often times I can get a better optic for less money & I'm not rich enough to say money be damned, I'll buy some ACOG's for all my rifles.
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
