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Either do as PK suggested or start/get involved with neighborhood watch and make sure you get the police to do a lot more patrols 24/7. If you do the latter, every time you hear or see or smell something, call, and get your neighbors to do the same.

You can't do both, you can't do either half-a$$ed, and you need to do something.
 
In the 70s i lived in los angeles, there was a lot of police activity like sirens and helicopter search lights but didnt hear gunfire. I watched the news then and read the paper but talking to a cop friend there was a lot more shootings then actually made the news.
 
So you'd just stop your plans in life because some people got shot in your neighbourhood, seriously? Like months of time investment, thousands of dollars and your future plans on a 10+ year educational plan because people have guns and the odd person is being killed every month?


My takeaway so far, is that maybe the things that sounded like gunfire I've been hearing every now and then (once or twice a month) , really is gunfire.

Again this is a big city, and moving isn't one of the options that is useful.

Any other suggestions?

Like for instance I already carry atleast one Israeli bandages, but perhaps I should upgrade to two. Another thing I am considering is wearing my level IIIA body armour. You know cellphone for calling 911.


What else is prudent in an area where shootings are plausible? is it worth actually carrying my firstaid kit on me including the modeling clay, swab inserts and crazyglue etc...??? what else would be useful for a shooting kit? Should I add a tourniquette system? etc..?? Should I get a professional sucking lung plastic compression strip? had plastic in my first aid kit but thinking maybe it is time I actually add a sucking lung piece to my first aid kit.
Not sure what else might be prudent to carry


My first impression is that there are some drug issues in this area... due to a large number of homeless people and noticing really tweaked and angry people occasionally. There are tons of police I ran into 5 cruisers (2 parked within 100 meters of my place - plus an traffic emergency stop outside my house just before I went out jogging ) and 3 ambulances just jogging around the neighbourhood tonight. So I am not really worried about response times. They even showed up when my foreign roommate (one flatmate/housemate) called 911 when his girlfriend lost her phone -- police entered on a 911 call for a lost cellphone... would have been great if he told me as I would have got more clothes on than my underwear.
None the less... police times aren't an issue. There are so many types of police, federal police do regular tours in this area due to being near a bunch of big country embassies most likely. Yeah my area is probably pretty high profile within a mile radius so tons of first responders really close to here.

Again hopefully would keep this generic but what steps can improve survivability in an urban gun threat situation?

I'm the type of person who gives money occasionally to panhandlers, but I am also the type that tells people to get the hell off the road if they are panhandling on roadways etc... so another thing, what are the odds that homeless looking panhandlers are armed???? Is it likely street panhandlers have illegal firearms???? Anyway to profile that risk factor. You know ghetto folk people seem more likely to be armed but what about middle age "white bum hard luck" type people. Should I consider them armed robbery threats or car jacking threats??? not just view them as hard luck cases?

How to profile gun threats, signs of a driveby or targeted hit in action.


What signs to look for?


I am the only person that tends to take cover when they hear a loud noise just wondering if anyone else goes for cover when they hear loud noises. Should I continue to consider it a possible shooting or just continue to override my instinct to take cover?

Is it better to look like a retard or wait for a second shot to take cover?


If you live in the ghetto and “can’t move,” buy a gun for self defense, avoid the hood rats, and stay aware of your surroundings.
 
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You realize the guys who wrote the US Constitution rose up against the "state" and over threw it by force, right?

We have a winner here! Support 2A, and disregards "Shall not be infringed"....

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You totally don't get the revolutionary war dude.

They established their self government. The issue was never with "the state" it was with unjust government. They wanted more representation and say on the laws, the import and export rules, and more specifically taxation. George III was a widely unpopular king even in his own circles. Notable people of the time such as Wedgewood went as far as openly supporting the American revolution while still in Britain. It was never about rising up against "the state", it was about control of government and creation of just rule.

The second amendment is all about insuring people have guns so they can participate in the militia.

The premise that the militia is there to prevent unjust acts.
2A thus is all about empowering people to facilitate for defence of a just state, one that does not facilitate tyranny and abuse of the people.

You just like to twist it to people should be able to have guns for anything. While Life, "Liberty" and pursuit of happiness, would totally support that premise, the 2A is all about facilitating firearms to provide for a well trained and regulated militia.

It was the King's war in that people throughout the empire weren't really down with the King at the time. It wasn't an American thing, it was just that America was organized enough that it had the ability to openly resist. They also had support of the French.

It is all about defence of the state. The state is the constitution.

Try reading the thing

"We the People of the United States,

in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,


do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


2A thus is there to provide for common defence as well as justice, domestic tranquility, general welfare and liberty and posterity.

That is the purpose of the state... and every amendment is suppose to clarify how that is to be done.

The state is the people as their will has been so directed.
 
For one thing, I’d sure hope the LLE would see it as a trouble area and would assign units in that area more often.
Secondly, I’d only move if I somehow felt in connection with those who had been shot.
Ask yourself these questions:
Why would I be a target?
Am I similar to those who were?
Why were they shot? Drugs? Money?

Make an effort to find out if you should be worried before making as important a decision as moving.

And to answer the increased security crowd:
Why weren’t you already increasing security?
 
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For one thing, I’d sure hope the LLE would see it as a trouble area and would assign units in that area more often.
Secondly, I’d only move if I somehow felt in connection with those who had been shot.
lol, already a lot of cops in these parts, can't go to my door without a cruiser rolling by my front window or cops parked across the street. Its hard for me to go outside without seeing a police cruiser.


I've been noticing a lot of grafitti this week though, not sure what is prompting the graffiti run. just seems to be poping up on a lot of buildings recently and even the city bus. Just seems like graffiti is poping up everywhere.


Ask yourself these questions:
Why would I be a target?
Not by people around these parts, I've gotten a lot of death threats over the years but not around here. I have had someone try to get into a fight with me, and then yesterday someone hangling out of 5th floor windows was like "do you have my money" I am like why the hell would I have your money. Was it an attempt at extortion??? No clue none the less
do I sense a random act of violence could occur, sure, do I think it is likely, no.

Am I similar to those who were?
as far as I can tell they were bystandards shot not the targets because the person shooting missed, presumably. Am I a bystandard.

Why were they shot? Drugs? Money?
standing in the wrong place.

I am guessing there was a beef going on, probably gang violence.

Make an effort to find out if you should be worried before making as important a decision as moving.
not worried in the slightest.
Unless a gun comes out I feel safe.
No one has pulled a gun on me to date.



And to answer the increased security crowd:
Why weren’t you already increasing security?

because I will get a whole lot more attention when I start wearing body armour. It will be a police magnet and people will be looking at me more than they already do.
They will be playing victim and profiling me as violent for wearing body armor.
I tend to only wear it with a high probability of a shooter being on the loose or for training purposes, or work.


I'm starting to think there is gang activity going on in these parts.

:The purpose of gang graffiti is to glorify the gang. Gang graffiti is meant to create a sense of intimidation and may increase the sense of fear within a neighborhood. Gang members use graffiti to mark their territory or turf, declare their allegiance to the gang, advertise a gang’s status or power, and to challenge rivals. Graffiti is used to communicate messages between gangs using codes with common meaning.
Of greater concern is the inherent violence associated with gang graffiti. When a neighborhood is marked with graffiti indicating territorial dominance, the entire area and its inhabitants become targets for violence. Anyone in the street or in their home is fair game for drive-by attacks by rival gang members. A rival gang identifies everyone in a neighborhood as a potential threat. Consequently, innocent residents are often subjected to gang violence by the mere presence of graffiti in their neighborhood. Click here for information on removing graffiti.:



I am not a person who has fear, and I tend not to be intimidated easily, so maybe I just missed the intents. I've worked as a bouncer in the past where people really try to intimidate so I've sort of deadened that in me. I also don't fear death so threats of death aren't really a deterent for me but rather something that would spur proactivity.

No weapons have popped up to date though, so threat of serious bodily harm really isn't there just yet.

Weighing wearing body armour... not likely to change my EDC.
 
Before home invasions started happening in my neighborhood in Summerville, SC, my children were very young and my wife FIRMLY didn't want guns in the house and she'd never even touched one. I hadn't shot a gun since I was a kid except for one time in Navy boot camp.

After the home invasions started, one day I came home with a 357 S&W. The wife said it was okay as long as I kept it locked up so the young'uns couldn't get to it.

Two years later, we had packed up and moved across the country to Montana in a small town where you don't have to lock your doors at night and you can leave the keys in the car in the driveway.

The wife loves shooting AR15s now. So do the kids (who are grown and moved out).

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He runs around, provoking people. That's why I told him to play nice (assuming it isn't too late and he's not on a **** list already).

He runs at night. Alone.

The neighborhood is terrible, oh, no it's not.

And I got all that before I blocked him.
 
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I'd suggest for those that have them join your community programs.

We (Dallas) have the standard Neighborhood Watch (mine is about as useless as BEEP BEEP). We also have with the Dallas PD what they call Volunteer In Patrol (VIP). We work in conjunction with district police stations and basically it's a neighborhood watch on steroids. Patrol in our own vehicles on shift with a least one other person, schedule set, report graffiti, crimes, downed trees, street lights out, call you if you have a package in your front yard, stray dogs, report suspicious activity (a definite gray area among members), etc. (cannot carry any firearm when on duty). Works well and statistics show it's reduced crime in areas it's used (likely pushed it someone else versus stopping it but...).

Finally, that app nextdoor is great for seeing what's going on in the community as well.

Statistically my neighborhood isn't bad but my area has several low income apartments (guess where all the crime occurs...). I have an alarm company, two German Rottweilers, Ring and three cameras indoor and three outdoor that tie into it). I'd have all even if I didn't hear gunshots periodically.

Dallas PD is currently at such low numbers - estimate I heard from our liaison office last weekend was short over 1,100 officers. If that alone isn't enough to make someone help in their own community I don't know what to tell someone complaining about crime.
 
You totally don't get the revolutionary war dude.


The second amendment is all about insuring people have guns so they can participate in the militia.
Ummm no. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about circa 1780, the militia was "The People". Not an organization. How ignorant of basic understanding can you be?

Do you know who George Mason was? No? The Father of the Bill of Rights. Now you know.

I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.
~ George Mason

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms...To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always posses arms, and be taught alike,
Melanctan Smith

The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large... Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? ... Congress has no power to disarm the militia.
Tench Coxe


Why do you feel you are smarter and have more insight into what the people of the continental congress wrote and meant?
 
We have occasional gunfire in our area. It's generally a) people shooting rattlesnakes that have decided to take up residence under/around someone's house (BTDT); b) people shooting at coyotes (they are a plague around here, and their numbers seem to be increasing. Already lost a couple of ducks to them) or c) people hunting doves, quail, jackrabbits, javelina, etc. We don't get our panties in a bunch over it, around here.
 
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Hey man, if you already had plans to wear body armor then wear the damn body armor.
I’m just trying to get you to be more strategic with your approach.
Do your thing chicken wing.
Meh, its about not attracting unwanted attention. Cops, imo, generally don't like people who are able to not be disabled immediately from a gunshot and or killed on a basis of need.

Since there are so many diplomats and government facilitites in these parts, walking around with body armour is likely to get a lot more unwanted attention.

Also school security ect.. tend to label people "suspicious".

As soon as government starts labeling people suspicious they start profiling to build case outcomes, meaning you will get the worst **** possible that is basically pure fantasy on the basis of possible outcomes --- police will not write, was wearing body armour to protect himself, they will write something more along the lines of "suspicious individual wearing body armour, active around government facilities, possible terrorist. (then the joys of the flags propagating character assassination because getting rid of problems by false light defamation and assessments based on fantasy characterizations that spawn even more telephone game profiles to metamorphasize people from seeking personal protection to be a safety risk that then results in police intervention whenever that person breaths, is a fire that doesn't need to be ignited unless there is a substantial safety risk - that is the outcomes of the action outweight the negative repercussions of the action)

meanwhile members of the public immediately profile you as "militant" usually middle age women then treat you like ****, on a much higher basis because you are a victimizing man and **** like that.

If you start outwardly projecting as masculine, every feminist in the neighbourhood will target you for the evil eye and psychic hate.


None the less, there are potential negative fallouts to wearing body armour where in that if there is not a credible safety threat, then it is best avoided wearing in public. The only exceptions are for employment - in the security and police field and if you are active military or a government worker in a potentially safety risk area.


People rarely wear body armour because people don't like other people who are viewed as being more powerful then them, and it is projected in mass media that body armour is associated with guns and guns are evil to have in public.

Again, its not that I wouldn't wear it, it is just that I may not want to invite the ****storm that could ensue in wearing it.

People are just so utterly sensitive about personal protection.

It is that the people must be oppressed and powerless issue that has cropped up over the past 20 years.

It is just a side effect of living in a police state where people only support government as having capacity to survive attack. It is more about neutering the public to reduce the potential risks of a population capable of protecting themselves.

The government wants to control all aspects of actions of force, generally it wants the public to only be submissive or take to flight in instances where there is risk. You can't really do that when it is where you live though. Really unfortunate truths. The PC thing is if you act to do that, then you are subject to spartan attack as a helot. The government finds it easier to pick those who stand out off, by working them as targets for takedown.
 
Hi,

OK so a handful of shootings occur within a few blocks of your locale - you know coordinated hits where people get injured by accident etc..

Do you change any acitivities, if so how?


Do you normally wear a BP vest, if not should you start wearing one due to there being a shooting on average every month within a mile of where you live?

Just wondering if you do not already experience regular shootings in your neighbourhood, how do you respond to recurrent shootings in your local area.

(Bear in mind also this is an area where you were also threatened with being shot by someone)

Does this situation change your game plan, if so how?
That's a pretty high frequency. Not sure about your area but sounds like you should look into moving to a nicer/safer more upscale place. If thats beyond your budget or if you want a chunk of land then thats something to look into as well. Either way, look into actual stats. Lightly populated does not always translate into safer.
 
Meh, its about not attracting unwanted attention. Cops, imo, generally don't like people who are able to not be disabled immediately from a gunshot and or killed on a basis of need.
Its not that hard to conceal. I often where AR500 plate armor on calls under my EMT coat and nobody knows its there.
 
Again, like others have said, street smarts, situational awareness, and survival instinct go a long way. Like Nomad said, treat people with respect, and don't be scared of them, even if you don't respect their lifestyle. Engage with people and be outgoing, but weary. Avoid situations that are likely to be turn bad, and listen to your instincts. For the times when all that stuff doesn't work out, there's Glock/Sig/1911/S&W.
 
Its not that hard to conceal. I often where AR500 plate armor on calls under my EMT coat and nobody knows its there.
We (LEOs) protected our EMTs/paramedics and fire fighters... even more than we protected each other... failing to yield to an ambulance or fire truck was a lot more likely to end in an arrest than failing to yield to LE... and woe to anyone that even thought about hurting any of them. The hood rats knew it and religiously cleared the block if there was an ambulance or fire truck, even if it were family down or family house burning...
 
We (LEOs) protected our EMTs/paramedics and fire fighters... even more than we protected each other... failing to yield to an ambulance or fire truck was a lot more likely to end in an arrest than failing to yield to LE... and woe to anyone that even thought about hurting any of them. The hood rats knew it and religiously cleared the block if there was an ambulance or fire truck, even if it were family down or family house burning...
Thanks ! The city in NY I retired from ( fire lt )has a higher crime rate then NYC and the suburb I live in had four volunteer FF shot ( two killed ), one of the wounded also works for my dept.

I responded to hundreds of shootings in my career, and in the beginning we never staged , been o/s many many times before the cops on shootings and murders .

We always had a very good relationship with the cops, love em
 
The first 38 years of my life I never knew anyone who had been murdered. The last 19 years probably a dozen people I have known have come to violent ends. The first was a neighbor who was killed over the drainage of a slough. That can get to be a hot topic in farm country. We had a rash of killings about 15 years ago. I live in a town of about 6500. Two murder suicides, one doped up guy killed 3 people and wounded a 4th, A guy ran his wife down with a pickup truck. Ii don't know what happened It was just nuts that summer.
 
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