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GMO Opinion - GM Crops Threaten Food Security

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#1 ·
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What are your feelings on GMO crops? We should probably start a new thread in the correct section as this would probably be moved there any way.

GMO crops are not a sustainable solution for world hunger, and actually threaten the security of food for billions of people.


Farmers in third world countries traditionally used only local or regional varieties which were well suited to the local environment. These crops were well suited for the local climactic and other conditions, and were naturally protected from pests and diseases (through naturally bred genetic resistance or tolerance).

At some point, a third world farmer chooses to try a GM crop. This is typically because previous crops experienced yield losses from pests and diseases. These pest problems are actually resulting from bad pest management - the overuse of pesticides to which pests become resistant to.

In other words, the first world sold them the idea that pesticides could defend against pests better than cultural or biological controls, and more consistently too. When that failed as resistance and buildup of pests occurred, we sold them the idea that GM crops could defend against pests even better than chemical controls. Pests are now becoming resistant to GM crops as well.

Any pest management plan puts selection pressure on pest populations. This means you must constantly change the selection pressure to avoid a buildup of genetic resistance in populations. Farmers in the third world failed to do this, and so resistant pests overcame both pesticides and GM crops.

Two commonly used GM crops are RoundUpReady (RR) and Bt. RR crops can be sprayed with RoundUp to kill weeds, and the crop will not be damaged. So these varieties are actually just contributing to the overuse of pesticides. The transgenes which are inserted into the crop's genome are spread through pollen, and new hybrids are sometimes formed between a crop and an ancestral weedy species. These hybrids contain the transgene protecting crops from RoundUp, so we have created new varieties of weeds that cannot be killed with the herbicide. Once a transgene escapes into the environment, it may not be possible to contain it. This problem has happened with canola production in North America.

Bt crops produce compounds which kill insects feeding on them, so perhaps less insecticides are used, but the genetic pressure placed on populations is even stronger than from pesticides. That means in some instances, pests can actually overcome GM crops more easily than pesticides.

Back to the third world farmer. The reason why he cannot produce as well as a first world farmer can is mainly because of the society in which he lives. First world countries subsidize agriculture to an amazing degree, for example 1 billion dollars is paid out to farmers in subsidies every day in America. We also have very advanced research and education sectors where agricultural research continues to improve crop yields to this day, a steady trend that has been going on for literally hundreds of years (we have been a very stable, without invasion or coups). Since the British agricultural revolution, the first world has been reducing the number of people owning farms, while increasing the land area managed by few people. This specialization allows for increases in yields and productivity on a large scale. Since few people must feed everyone, the government has a good reason to invest in it. This is not the case in the third world. Most of the world's people are directly involved in agriculture. Many people feed themselves. Third world governments are not as invested in agriculture as our governments are.

Third world farmers look to us for guidance, and we allow our corporations to give them advice probably without offering them adequate knowledge of the disadvantages. Traditionally, farmers collected their own seed from their own crops. When farmers decide to convert to GM crops, perhaps they don't feel the need to collect their own seed one last time. This is a problem, because now, if the untried GM crop fails, he has no backup seeds to replant. GM seeds cannot be collected from crops by the farmer, it is illegal, and even if he does, they are often genetically encoded to be sterile and not grow at all or in the least, be very much less productive. The investment in the seeds is often very high, so the farmer may have limited financial options now.

Once a farmer loses his original variety, perhaps it is a specific variety not found elsewhere, and will never be recovered. This is actually the biggest problem associated with GM crops: the loss of biodiversity. It's bad for the farmer because if his neighbors' GM crops have pest problems, his GM crops most likely will too. This could result in catastrophic crop losses over a region, and causing famine. GM crops represent a major threat to the security of food in third world countries.

This variety is also lost to crop scientists, who are amassing a collection of seeds from every variety from every crop, even those not used agriculturally. This collection of genetic material can be used to breed for crops which are better protected from pests or more suited for their environments. This research could prevent the starvation of our species if extreme climate change occurs.

I do not consider it acceptable for Americans to use GM crops because they are supporting the technology and the companies who commit these atrocities. It is in our entire world population's vested interest that we preserve our crop biodiversity. If for no other reason, this is why we should not use or support GM crops.



That being said, there is but ONE instance where I agree with GM crop production, and that is with Golden Rice, a variety which produces Vitamin A to compensate for Vitamin A deficiency, which often causes blindness in children in Asia.

Source: B.S. in Agronomy
 
#2 ·
First world countries subsidize agriculture to an amazing degree, for example 1 billion dollars is paid out to farmers in subsidies every day in America. We also have very advanced research and education sectors where agricultural research continues to improve crop yields to this day, a steady trend that has been going on for literally hundreds of years (we have been a very stable, without invasion or coups).
Umm ... the entire USDA budget is less than $150 billion, and only 13% of that goes to production ag.

http://www.obpa.usda.gov/budsum/FY12budsum.pdf

Third world farmers look to us for guidance, and we allow our corporations to give them advice probably without offering them adequate knowledge of the disadvantages. Traditionally, farmers collected their own seed from their own crops. When farmers decide to convert to GM crops, perhaps they don't feel the need to collect their own seed one last time. This is a problem, because now, if the untried GM crop fails, he has no backup seeds to replant. GM seeds cannot be collected from crops by the farmer, it is illegal, and even if he does, they are often genetically encoded to be sterile and not grow at all or in the least, be very much less productive. The investment in the seeds is often very high, so the farmer may have limited financial options now.

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Source: B.S. in Agronomy
You have a degree in Agronomy? What school teaches this crap?
 
#11 ·
You have a degree in Agronomy? What school teaches this crap?
More than that, I've done my own homework even:

Percent of acreage worldwide planted with GM varieties (2009):
77% of soybean...
49% of cotton...
26% of maize...
21% of rapeseed...
9% of sugarbeet...

Million hectares of GM crops planted (2009):
64 in USA
21.4 in Brazil
21.3 in Argentina
8.4 in India
8.2 in Canada
3.7 in China
2.2 in Paraguay
2.1 in South Africa
.8 in Uruguay
.8 in Bolivia
.5 in Philippines
.2 in Australia
.1 in Burkino Faso
.1 in Mexico
<.1 in Chile
<.1 in Colombia
<.1 in Honduras
<.1 in Costa Rica
<.1 in Egypt
.1 in European Union (6 nations)

As you can see, tens of millions of hectares are planted with GM varieties outside of the United States each year, many of them in developing countries.

Source: ISAAA Brief No 41-2009 (executive summary), *USDA, **FAO 2008

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/agri_biotechnology/gmo_planting/257.global_gm_planting_2009.html

A chart at the top of the page shows GM planting areas in developing countries at just over 60 million hectares, approaching industrial countries total of just over 70 million hectares. It also appears that the hectares planted in developing countries each year is increasing at an increasing rate.


http://www.ask-force.org/web/PublicSector/Cohen-Naturebiotech-2005.pdf

This scholarly article published in Nature Biotechnology has this for its tagline:
"Genetically modified crops are often framed as the products of multinational corporations, but in poorer nations it is public research that is vibrant and attempting their development."


http://books.google.com/books?hl=en...ots=aHKHk_zY9Y&sig=ww2eU9M-Himkmf9GYrX7iPszoqc#v=onepage&q=GM crop fail&f=false

This publication from the International Food Policy Research Institute goes in depth into GM crop production in four developing countries: Brazil, China, India, and Kenya.


http://gmo-journal.com/index.php/2011/06/17/loss-of-biodiversity-and-genetically-modified-crops/

This article explains that GM crops "reinforce genetic homogeneity and promote large scale monocultures, they contribute to the decline in biodiversity and increase vulnerability of crops to climate change, pests and diseases."


http://books.google.com/books?id=-y...Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=BIODIVERSITY germplasm resource information network&f=false

This book says: "The NPGS [National Plant Germplasm System] is a joint effort by public (State and Federal) and private organisations 'to preserve the genetic diversity of plants'. Its 26 collection sites (in the US and Puerto Rico) preserve, document, and distribute crop germplasm and constantly acquire new crop germplasm. New germplasm enters NPGS through collection, donation by foreign operators or international germplasm collections." Their source was: http://www.ars-grin.gov/


It really pays to research things for yourself.
 
#3 ·
The biggest problem with giving GM seed for production in 3rd world countries come with monitoring the cultural practices. In most instances crop rsidue needs to be strictly controlled. and often the crop needs to be heavily scouted during the growing season.
Isolation of these field from the cultivation of open pollinated varieties is also a huge concern. I'm not convinced taht many growers in less advanced countries are prepared to deal with these problems.
Also most gm crops are being grown by corporations due to the cost of the seed . Often many times the cost of even traditional hybrid varieties. I dont believe that there is much GM seed just being randomly given to 3rd growers in small villages.
 
#5 ·
Hey ex hunter,
No I am talking only about in third world countries here. I may be wrong but I cant believe that with the important cultivation requirments of GM crops and the higher cost of the seed that a person in a village in Botswana would be give GM seeds willy nilly to grow to feed themselves.
Here in the US I am surrounded by family owned corporate farms that grow GM crops. Corporation is bandied about too much today. Heck almost every farm around me is incorporated by their owners just to protect themselves from lawsuit abuse.
My point was strictly on the cultivation requirements and the expense of growing GM crops. That seed doesn't come cheap!!
 
#6 ·
Hey ex hunter,
No I am talking only about in third world countries here. I may be wrong but I cant believe that with the important cultivation requirments of GM crops and the higher cost of the seed that a person in a village in Botswana would be give GM seeds willy nilly to grow to feed themselves.
What important cultivation requirements?

Nothing about agriculture is done willy nilly these days.

Here in the US I am surrounded by family owned corporate farms that grow GM crops. Corporation is bandied about too much today. Heck almost every farm around me is incorporated by their owners just to protect themselves from lawsuit abuse.
My point was strictly on the cultivation requirements and the expense of growing GM crops. That seed doesn't come cheap!!
Most I know of incorporated because of income tax ramifications involving the multiple owners.

What lawsuit abuse were those you know afraid of?
 
#9 ·
Hey Ex hunter,
I dont know what burr I put under your butt. However ,your responses show that you aren't too picky if you are changing up application rates. You might want to stay awake during your certified applicator licensing classes.
Best of luck I am certainly not trying to argue with anyone on here. Sorry if I offended you in some way
 
#23 ·
#28 ·
My goodness.

This feller's experience was in 2000. In the twelve years since, almost all the hogs in North America have been fed GMO corn.
... I haven't heard a story like this ever.

If this is commonplace we'd be hearing about it more than once a decade, and it would be a wonder if any pigs were grown on this continent at all.

How is this such an important issue when no one evidently experiences it?
 
#33 ·
Sutcliffe Catering, owned by the Granada Group announced thirteen years ago their intention from your source:
to remove, as far as practicable, GM soya and maize from all food products served in our restaurant. We have taken the above steps to ensure that you, the customer, can feel confident in the food we serve
... this caterer happened to have a kiosk in one of Monsanto's facilities in the UK in 1999.

I wonder if this entity still has that goal, especially since shortly after this press release the entire group was acquired by another larger conglomerate which operates Mariott, Burger King, and Starbucks (among other franchises) in that same market today.

Your source article does not say, "Monsanto's very own staff cafeteria has a ban on GMO foods."

That's ridiculous.
 
#38 ·
This variety is also lost to crop scientists, who are amassing a collection of seeds from every variety from every crop, even those not used agriculturally. This research could prevent the starvation of our species if extreme climate change occurs.
ORLY? Wouldn't it be in the interest of Monsanto and other GMO producers to make crops that would survive in the unlikely event of extreme climate change? Your entire premise is flawed.

the pigs and other animals are marketed before the sever symptoms develope that are caused by GMO foods
How convenient that you've created a scenario that no amount of contradictory evidence can ever disprove.
 
#39 ·
The main problem with GM FrankenFood crops is that once we have let the genie out of the bag, that's it we can't go back. GM crops & pollen pollute non GM organic crops & make them impossible to grow. There is a place for the use of marker assisted selection, to select traits which are useful like drought resistance etc, but as yet we don't know the long term effects on humans of consuming GM crops. Outside of Europe, the world has embarked, foolishly some might say, on the largest irrevocable experiment in human history.

We should resist the blandishments & mealy mouthed words of the big multinationals that are exploiting farmers with their GM seeds. We don't need them, want them, we are fine without them period....
 
#40 ·
Originally Posted by HaroldWayneHamlin
the pigs and other animals are marketed before the sever symptoms develope that are caused by GMO foods

How convenient that you've created a scenario that no amount of contradictory evidence can ever disprove.

end qoute

Yes, stroke of genius, I learned all I know by watching what they (GMO)s do and say.

They are masters, at propoganda and own all the politilico, and have all the money AND run the FDA

tought fight but some little guys have to fight against them even if we have to lie as much and as often as THEY do

ask your self, will people lie for money, have people lied for money, will people lie again and again and again for money, yes plus now they could go to jail if found so they will lie and lie again

you can bank on it

later
wayne
 
#41 ·
ask your self, will people lie for money, have people lied for money, will people lie again and again and again for money, yes plus now they could go to jail if found so they will lie and lie again
So, is the guy who claimed his pigs became sterile also lying? He now works for an organization promoting organic food. Is he lying for money too?

It goes both ways.

I've eaten GMO corn yet I somehow had kids. The whole depopulation/sterilization plan doesn't seem to be working very well.
 
#64 ·
Farmers aren't generally a bunch of evildoers. They grow what sells. If people want large quantities of cheap food, that's a lot easier to do with modified crops. If people weren't OK chowing down on GMOs, they wouldn't buy them, and the farmers wouldn't bother to grow them.

Scream at the sheeple if you want someone to blame. Not that it's likely to do you much good.
 
#69 ·
The most unknown issue of GMO's is that they change more than just the one thing that they claim to change. The one mutated gene might change numerous things in the plant. Wheat for example was made more drought resistant, good thing, but it has increased the gluten content to the point that more people are not able to consume it(my wife and daughter are in this group).