[Dark Skies]

I'm not going to defend or condemn this act, but you have to understand one thing. The people are fed up with criminals here. We have been "tolerant" for DECADES and have listened to every bul***it excuse in the world for their behavior... "Their momma didnt love them... Dad didnt hug them enuff, etc"

You dont want to get shot? Then dont steal. Pretty dam simple. Again, the castle doctrine has a miriad of forms depending on the state. I will just caution you that if you steal in Texas and attempt to flee when you are caught, be prepared for the shot in the back, regardless if you are 16 or 60, whether you have crossed the magical "property line" or not. And NOBODY is going to jail for it. Everyone here is well aware of the Joe Horn incident.... even the teenagers

But the fact remains in this context we are discussing the Tony Martin case - a British incident where British law held sway.
Americans seem intent on drawing the conversation back to America so that they can swagger about what a stone killer they are and what they'd do in such and such a situation.

 

[Sky1950]

But the fact remains in this context we are discussing the Tony Martin case - a British incident where British law held sway.
Americans seem intent on drawing the conversation back to America so that they can swagger about what a stone killer they are and what they'd do in such and such a situation.

You are correct that the incident was under Brittish law, and you guys will dictate whatever laws you wish. As it should be. However, no one here looks forward to armed controversy and you misinterpret our unwillingness to continue tolerating being victimized with "swagger".

No one goes out "hunting" crimnals, but many are no longer willing to just "take it". Maybe your citizens have been more conditioned to accept being victimized by criminals. To each his own. We will see in time which response results in a lower crime rate.

 

[SCALPHUNTER]

Actually, only 31 out of the 50 states have it. It is not without its limitations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

And in the case cited Tony Martin shot the unarmed burglar outside of his dwelling.

Don't get me wrong - I support the castle doctrine so long as it's within the realms of justification. Shooting someone outside of the property that hasn't got any of my stuff and is fleeing and therefore no longer a threat isn't self-defence - it's an execution.

If he shot the guy outside of his house he's pretty much screwed unless the bad guy was threatening his life in some manner, so yes if the man was not inside his home and was not a threat, then I agree that shooting him was not justified.

 

[walcott]

http://movieclips.com/qu7X-hot-fuzz-movie-sea-mine/



"I do fer thisin"

 

[wilhelm]

I'd rather swagger than cower any day.

 

[Smudge]

The Video is old and been posted before several times, the ignorance of some of the comments in this thread follows suit.

Tony Martin was a criminal there's been several cases of homeowners protecting themselves both with and without firearms, here are a couple http://www.survivalistboards.com/showpost.php?p=3105949&postcount=48

Tony Martin did the country a service however he shot them in the back with an illegal gun :xeye:

 

[firstforcerecon]

http://youtu.be/KCkr2psNvCs ~~~~ English Warning To Americans: DONT GIVE UP YOUR GUNS!

Thanks for the warnings Chaps, but Americans will NEVER give up their guns. I was very sad when I learned it happened in England. The right to bear arms Is part of being an American. It's our second amendment. No UN treaty or administration or stupid group will ever have a chance at actually accomplishing that. If our Congress even tried it. Every single one of them would find themselves in the unemployment line.

I personally think that if there EVER was a real attempt to disarm all the American Citizens. There would be a Civil War on such a scale that it wouldn't even last a week. And everyone of them involved would be tried for treason. They all did after all take an oath to protect our Constitution and no politician or political party could possible be that stupid. This of course is all just my opinion. Thanks for the warning though.

 

[SamboRoberts]

You are incorrect as most states here in the US have a "Castle Doctrine" which with only a few exceptions allow the use of deadly force on anyone that illegally breaks the threshold of your home, personally owned business after hours, or your vehicle, ie carjacker or thief. No threat or weapon has to be evident or displayed. In a nutshell, if they break in, threat or not, they're dead.

Can you still shoot them after they have left your property?

 

[Dark Skies]

I'd rather swagger than cower any day.

I'd rather continue as I mean to go on and do neither.

 

[SCALPHUNTER]

Can you still shoot them after they have left your property?

Deadly force can only be used IF they are illegally inside your home or personally owned business or trying to carjack you while you are inside your vehicle. Your firearm may also be used if someone threatens you with bodily harm regardless of where you are.

 

[Smokeyr67]

My next door neighbour's daughter does that better. She covers her ears, shuts her eyes and says "I can't hear you. I can't hear you. Nah. Nah Nah Nah."

She's adorable and seven though so it's cute.

Are you my neighbour?

My daughter does that, while stamping her little feet as she walks away

 

[Smokeyr67]

Can you still shoot them after they have left your property?

Depends, how goods your aim?

 

[firstforcerecon]

shooting an unarmed fleeing child in the back with an illegally held fire arm, tony martin deserved to do time.

Its comical how liberals twist crap to suit their political views. The only thing he did wrong was not bury the clown on his property.

 

[firstforcerecon]

Deadly force can only be used IF they are illegally inside your home or personally owned business or trying to carjack you while you are inside your vehicle. Your firearm may also be used if someone threatens you with bodily harm regardless of where you are.

Not in PA. We have the castle doc. law. We have a right to defend not only our lives but our homes and our property. AS IT SHOULD BE.

 

[Smokeyr67]

Its comical how liberals twist crap to suit their political views. The only thing he did wrong was not bury the clown on his property.

It's laughable how right wing nuts justify murder.

 

[Doc_Shane]

It's because of our guns that we aren't English, a lesson some of us haven't forgotten.

 

[SamboRoberts]

We're not English and it's not because of guns.

But that's comparing apples to oranges and the circumstances of how the two countries came about were completely different. Chalk and cheese, you might say.

 

[Doc_Shane]

We're not English and it's not because of guns.

But that's comparing apples to oranges and the circumstances of how the two countries came about were completely different. Chalk and cheese, you might say.

Right you are Pommie.

We fought the Crown off, you guys were sent there as punishment
(j/k I love Australia.)

 

[Smokeyr67]

Right you are Pommie.

We fought the Crown off, you guys were sent there as punishment
(j/k I love Australia.)

NEVER call an Aussie a POM, unless you want to go toe to toe.

 

[Fasha]

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942