i dont understand.. was 45-70 not an efficient killer of deer before this ammo?

 

I believe it's all about the money.

 

You have to use ultra modern bullets. The old ones will just bounce off.

 

I was happy with cast projectiles in my 45-70. California made them illegal for hunting. I loaded some Barnes projectiles but have not shot them. 340 gr cast works well on deer. I just can't see a high tech projectile in a round which is fine with cast. Hollow point? hollow point just reduces penetration.

 

It's not going to reduce penetration enough to make any difference on a deer.
It's going to pass through 99% of the time.

 

i dont understand.. was 45-70 not an efficient killer of deer before this ammo?

Yes Justin conventional ammo works just fine for deer. You have it correct. No special ammo needed. :thumb:

I killed one deer with my 45-70 with a 300gr Remington hollow point and a load reduced to 1600fps from 2025fps. The deer just fell over sideways with its legs straight out like a deer statue. That bullet exploded on the inside and totally destroyed the heart and lungs and looked like someone skipped a chain saw down the bottom of the spine.

I used a reduced load because I got tired of the recoil of the full power loads. Then I said "whats the point?" I sold the gun and found at the ranges I hunt a much lighter and easier to shoot 44 mag carbine will do the same thing on deer with cheaper brass and half the powder.

 

Yep, I'm using a the same 300gr SJHP over 32grs of H4198 (IIRC), pushes them to about 1650-1680. No need to get hotter, kills them DRT.
Massive damage and I've never had to track a deer shot with 45-70.

Literally knocked one sideways like a TV show. Blew it off it's hooves, per se.
Did shoot one with a hotter 405 load and it did too much damage. Through and through, fist sized exit wound, tore up too much meat.
Impressive, but not wise.

 

All the deer I've shot with the .45-70 dropped to RCBS 405 FNGC over a healthy charge of H335 at around 1800 or so FPS. Think of all those 10's of thousands of bison that really shouldn't be dead... who knew??

 

Have hunted bison before. Like shooting a friken cow. One 308 pill to the head and they drop like a house being demoed.

Them ****** were dumpin bison long before firearms came to the scene. Go figure

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Can't remember what I used to hunt deer, hogs, antelope, and elk with through my now sold 4570 Marlin guide gun. Whatever the hell happened to be cheap. All of it worked fine however. A fine cartridge and does benefit through more modern rifles with strongest actions.

11B

 

I tried a 300g Sierra hp and it seemed a little bit explosive to me. Now I use the 350g Hornaday rn for deer.

 

Maybe you're pushing them too fast.

 

You can shoot deer with whatever you want, but if you have to find a specific 45/70 round to kill deer you are probably doing something wrong.

I read your link to the point that you want deer to "drop in their tracks". I am sure most of us that hunt can tell you it doesn't work that way. Using .223-.30-06 and almost everything in-between for about 30 years I have found it really doesn't matter in normal hunting ranges. Don't know about 200 yard long range "hunting".

You get a good broadside shot and the deer will run 40-150 yards depending on the hit. Top of heart is the shortest run and bottom of heart is the longest, lung shots are in-between.

If it drops right there and dies it is because you had a bad angle or made a bad shot, both of which result in you hitting major bone like a shoulder, sternum, or spine, and of course the first two waste a lot of meat, and the last can mess up your backstraps.

I would suggest just learning to follow a blood trail 3ft wide from the deer spraying blood out both sides for 40-150 yards.

 

I tried a 300g Sierra hp and it seemed a little bit explosive to me. Now I use the 350g Hornaday rn for deer.

That bullet in the OPs "review" looks like a Sierra made bullet. The 300gr Remington I used loaded to 1600fps exploded on the deer I used it on. I shot my deer almost head on and never found but a couple of small fragments of it when gutting the deer.

If the OP really wants to Review these loads he needs to set up a test and shoot into gel or even the old way of using wet newspaper. Shooting holes in paper isn't much of a test. You sort of knew before hand it would give decent groups.

 

so basically the conclusion here is the 45-70 will kill a deer no matter what you hit it with.. it just becomes a question of how much meat you want left when the bullet is done with it

 

I have a mauser 45-70, hunting buddy has a Ruger #3 in 45-70. I had loaded some 405 gr flat nosed cast projectiles on the warm side. I hit my deer one time in the spine at 75-80 yards. It left a hole about the size of a soft ball with most of one vertebrae gone. Deer dropped instantly.
Dave on the other hand shot his at 25 yards, He felt 45-70 had no killing power so he shot it 3 more times in the chest. the butcher threw away both forequarters of his deer as it was too bloodshot and tore up to process.
45-70 is a fine round within its limitations. During the summer we shot ground squirrels with the rifles out to 100 yards. I purchased a 340 gr mould and shot it for years. I have never shot a jacketed projectile. I did load some. My mauser was barreled with a 458 mag barrel as the gun shop did not have a 45-70 barrel in stock. I assume it will shoot cast projectiles just fine. guns are tools. Use the correct tool for the job.

 

I have a mauser 45-70, hunting buddy has a Ruger #3 in 45-70. ............. During the summer we shot ground squirrels with the rifles out to 100 yards............. guns are tools. Use the correct tool for the job.

 

I use a 338-378 Weatherby Mag to control the chipmunks in my shed, would this be a good deer round or should I use something with a heavier weight bullet like a .500NE in a double rifle?

This is hard stuff to figure out!
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That seems inhumane, I suggest a .950JDJ.

 

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How could that bullet drop anything, it's only going 1900fps. As several eckspurts have told us in other threads, a bullet has to be going at LEAST 2200fps to even have a chance at a one shot drop.

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Say it aint so? I wonder what they are tryin to sell us ? 45 70 buffalo boomers for shootin swamp rats? ( Usually the " kills um all" cartridge promoted here is 9mm fired from a pcc or 223 fired from an AR15.)

I think them eckspurts were pulling your chain. That, or they are internet spurts and have 0 first hand at hunting anything other than those great white grocery store expeditions where the only thing they slaughter is thier wallet....lol. Shooting gel blocks aint the same either.

Currently killin hogs out to 200 yards with the " pistol" in below pic next to my favorite hunting rifle. One load I have used often is less than 15 cents per rd with avg muzzle velocity just short of 2200 fps. ( 125gr jsp)

Fed Fusion ( 123gr) avg muzzle velocity thru this pistol is 2200fps at the muzzle. ( 1322 ft lbs of energy)
At 200 yards, velocity = 1696 fps ( 785 ft lbs of energy at impact)..... and has put pigs in the dirt with one pill.

Note: Iron sight radius is a whoppin 9 inches exact.

Just for comparison purposes, that rifle in same photo produces near same impact velocity at 500 yards ( 308 168gr TTSX) , with impact energy of 1048 ft lbs. It can and has " 1 shot dumped " every critter in North America , from bison to bear and yup......bunnies too.lol


11B

 

Your deer rifle should not sit in the safe and only come out during deer season. A couple of ground squirrel hunts will help with accuracy and judging distance. In a 45-70 it is critical. A rifle that lives in the safe is not to valuable. that said, for most squirrel hunts, I use a 22-250.

 

It’s utterly ridiculous to use a 45/70 on squirrels.

 

so basically the conclusion here is the 45-70 will kill a deer no matter what you hit it with.. it just becomes a question of how much meat you want left when the bullet is done with it

Yes. And in my opinion a 45-70 is way more than ever needed for deer. Here in Tx kids are given H&R single shots in 223 to kill their first deer. And they do it all the time. Remember the old 44-40 killed deer all over the US when the pioneers and settlers were were making their way west. And that gun shoots a 200gr bullet at around 1200fps and will pass through most broadside shots. Do you really need more?

 

You're talking about them Texas Minideer right

 

OP starts a thread to get everyone to jump over and read his stuff on another site.....

How many of you fell for it?...

 

He is using this site to advertise for his writing, and has been doing it for a long time.

 

OP starts a thread to get everyone to jump over and read his stuff on another site.....

How many of you fell for it?...

Not me. I figured out what he was doing pretty quick.

He is using this site to advertise for his writing, and has been doing it for a long time.

Yep. There is a guy over on thefiringline forum named Hubel458 who advertises his 12ga from hell or something like that and I have mentioned before over there that that is what he is doing but they don't seem to care. I suggested his thread be moved to the reloading section but it didn't happen either. They did move him to the shotgun section over on thehighroad.

And yes the OP is selling his blog and using this site to do it. From what I have read of his there is nothing earth shaking he is reporting. Anyone who has been around guns for any length of time already knows what he is writing.

 

You're talking about them Texas Minideer right

That would be the ones. But the very first deer I killed 31 years ago in East Tx on the type II land was huge. That deer weighed around 180 pounds according to the game warden who came over and looked at it. He stated it was the biggest deer he had seen in 10 years.

I didn't really understand how big that first whitetail was until I shot my second deer the following year. And it was a nice 8 point buck but was a runt compared to the first deer.

I saw a deer at least as big as that first deer and maybe just a little bigger at my buds ranch in Weatherford Tx. It looked as big as the biggest mule deer I have ever seen. It was 15 yards in front of me and I didn't shoot it. It was close to rut and I was afraid it would be rank. So it got a pass. IIRC it was also a 10 point deer. But I have never had a head mounted. I hunt for meat so it got a pass.:thumb:

 

I learned a long time ago about the rut. Wyoming doesn't generally have seasons in the rut anymore. Wasting meat is a felony.

 

I like Buffalo Cartridge Company, good ammo. The last time I used a 45/70 for deer the shot rolled that big buck all the way back up to the top of the ridge to the skid road where my truck was parked. When I made it to the top of the ridge that deer was already gutted, skinned, and quartered in the bed of my truck. Ever since that day I swear by the 45/70.

 

Is the OP lacking in writing skill, and sad sack reviews, or am I the dumb one for not having a website filled with others videos, and tied to merchandise?

Looks like the same junk available everywhere; does he just tie his name to it, or does he stock it?

 

You guys actually clicked on a link on this forum? You guys are bold! Or dumb. Not sure which.