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Birth rates drop 12-18% in last decade.

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#1 ·
Happened to catch on the news this morning a interesting report about declining fertility in the US over the last decade. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-10-birth-age-moms.html
Between 2007 and 2017, birth rates dropped 12 percent in rural areas, 16 percent in small and medium cities, and 18 percent in large metro counties.

Compared with cities, rural areas had higher birth rates throughout the entire period, the findings showed.

The birth rate in rural areas declined 9 percent from 2007 through 2011, and it did not change significantly from 2011 through 2017.

At the same time, birth rates in small or medium-sized urban areas dropped 16 percent while they declined 18 percent in large urban areas, according to the report.

Ely said, "Another finding was the age when mothers first give birth in rural counties is lower than mothers who are having their first birth in metro counties."

From 2007 through 2017, the average age when a woman had her first child in rural areas rose from 23 to nearly 25. In small or medium cities, the average age went from 24 to 26, while it went from 26 to 28 in large cities.
The story only marginally spoke to the causes of such a dramatic decrease with no exploration of future effects. I do know that out where I live there are few young people about. Which is too bad since there is plenty of small jobs I could hire a kid to do if there were any around. I also wonder about the health effects for first born children of older women. Might explain the growing autism rates.

So what is everyone's guesses to the drop in fertility?
 
#2 ·
So what is everyone's guesses to the drop in fertility?
I see four major causes:

Liberalism

Feminism

War on White Men

Political Correctness

All of these make women less attractive to any straight male.
 
#3 ·
There is a major sociological drive for people to go out and get their education, get a great career, climb that ladder, take selfies in exotic locations (or in locations that you can make seem exotic), spend money to do things that the entertainment and media industries tell you that young, hip twenty-somethings should be doing, and that doesn't leave much time for kids. People are pushing having kids back into their thirties or forties and women are going to find it a bit harder to A.) Get pregnant and B.) Land a man to knock her up and pay her bills and support her now that she's decided the stop riding the **** carousel.

Also, minorities are still in the minority, for now. So the declining birth rate of whites can still make the entire population look like it's got a declining birth rate. Poorer minorities are incentivized and encouraged to have more kids while white women are told that the patriarchy just wants them to stay pregnant in the kitchen, and that instead they should rebel and go do pretty much anything else, unless of course they'd like to get with a strong, black man and have some black kids. Then by all means, get pregnant.

The birth rate of Sub-Saharan Africa is shooting through the roof while the birth rate of Europe and the US are stagnant on a good day. And of course the globalist plan is to import as many Sub-Saharan Africans into previously white countries as possible, legally or illegally.

And I'm supposed to be happy about it, or at least not give a **** that white people are the only people who's race it's a good thing to breed out of existence. If it was any other race, it'd be a tragedy that requires immediate intervention.

Nations for every race, but not white people. THOSE nations HAVE to import and support millions of third world non-whites. It's our obligation, I'm told.
 
#5 ·
Well if you follow societies ideal path you graduate college at 22/23 years old and at the point you sure as hell not financially ready for a baby. So figure another 2 years to get your life stable enough to even think about it and then a year of trying/being pregnant. You come to 25/26 years old which is right in the middle of what the article suggest.

So if you want to blame lower birth rates and mothers giving birth later the reason is due to everyone being pushed to attend college.

Not necessary a bad thing. The later people give birth the less likely we have to provide tax dollar assistance to them.

We just had our 1st baby at the age 26 and 27. Could of had a baby a year or two sooner if we really wanted to and been fine financially.
 
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And that's IF people do everything boom-boom-boom one thing right after the other and get it done. Add in a year or two of schooling because someone changes their major, add another year or two if they go into a competitive job field, add another year of dating because dating when you're approaching 30 is a ****ing nightmare (so everyone says), and then if female, you can add in a year early on of riding a **** carousel on the bar scene and then another year onto the back end trying to make a comeback on that scene and failing at it, or if male, trying your damndest (and almost always failing) to be one of those ****s on occasion. Also if male, add ten years in prison when some woman decides two days after the deed that maybe he raped her because he doesn't look as hot as he did when she had a few shots in her (that he paid for).

Now how old are we talking? Early to mid thirties? Doesn't bode well for birth rates.
 
#9 ·
Birth rates always drop when education levels rise. Or in the case of the USA, when televisions got bigger and gave people something else to do with their evenings.

Environmentalists should push for lower birthrates everywhere to stem global warming, climate change, or whatever they call it next. Less people use less resources. Start with the exploding populations in Africa (*****ia in particular since they may soon be the 3rd largest population).

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/jan/11/population-growth-in-africa-grasping-the-scale-of-the-challenge

The world really doesn't need more people now. Growth for growth's sake is cancer's mode of operation. We just have to stay around replacement levels and enjoy not being crowded and resource poor.
 
#15 ·
Europe is having the same problem, and in Europe the government very often subsidizes the cost of giving birth and daycare. So I think there is more to it than the cost of living, though, the average cost of over $900 per month per child just for daycare has GOT to hurt, and how many men in their 20's can afford to support his wife plus several kids if she stays home to raise them? So cost has got to be a factor but with Europe having the same problem with a decreased birth rate there must be more to it than that.

It the USA today the average age of a first marriage is 27 years of age (https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a19567270/average-age-of-marriage/). Women 100 years ago would get married close to 21, so those child bearing years between 21 and 27 are often lost. https://www.theclassroom.com/age-marriage-us-1800s-23174.html

A woman's fertility starts to decline in her late 20's (source is my nursing classes)
 
#18 ·
Have you taken a close look at inner city black birth rates lately?

African-American family structure

When Moynihan wrote in 1965 on the coming destruction of the Black family, the out-of-wedlock birth rate was 25% among Blacks. In 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage. In 2011, 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.
 
#16 ·
I'd say it's mainly because of the cost of having/raising a child and then sending them to college

It cramps their style!


As far as all the illegals, well.......

They don't have to pay the medical bills or insurance premiums

Get food stamps


They have so many kids, they don't have to pay a babysitter because the oldest gets stuck with it when they aren't out stealing from ******
 
#17 ·
woah woah!

How are people supposed to afford fancy cars, live in pricey big city flats and take vacations if they have kids draining on their lifestyle and fun times?

How can that career driven, college educated womyn make time for a relationship and children between board meetings, power lunches and gym time?

Thats not even mentioning that a commitment (like marriage) could ruin your life when it ends (divorce).

Culture and the like has been shaped recently into believing marriage and kids are inconveniences and high risk.
 
#19 ·
Had my daughter at 28, son at 31, having a 3rd soon-ish.

My wife used to be a nurse practitioner in labor and delivery and is now a clinical manager for the department, you wouldn't know the birth rates were dropping as her hospital continues to break records every year and have had to add two new wings to accommodate. Obviously a single hospital in IL isn't what is happening around the country, but she does patient care still one day a week.

Most older moms all have the same answer as to why when they get to talking, having a child is a financial decision.

It cost my parents $300 to have me delivered and stay in NICU for one day, my mom still has the bill. It cost $32,000 to have my son and he was a happy healthy baby. Insurance covered it after we met our deductible but still, $300 would have been nice.

As far as autism rates in older mothers nothing is conclusive there, my wife had been to many seminars where they discuss studies, the major factor is most moms are hooked on some type of drug prescribed or otherwise and the baby suffers from many issues because of that.
 
#22 ·
It isn't just the US, every modern industrial age society is having the same declines. Japan has a negative growth rate, so does China and many other S.E Asian countries. All of the European countries have very low birth rates as well.

At the rate that industrialized nations are dropping they are all going to have to resort to immigration to keep a balanced or growing population.

As for why, there are some known factors, people decide that kids are expensive and so avoid having them, women want a career and put off having them, an ever growing percentage of people are too obese to effectively get pregnant.

There is also our diet which in modern industrialized nations is horrific, our food is full of toxins and poisons so that it is easily packaged boxed and will last for a long time on a shelf. I see other families eating and often comment on the fact that I don't actually see anything that I would define as food in their diet. On road trips I find myself walking through the gas station trying to find something that actually resembles food, I generally give up, there is nothing actually edible or food like being sold at those places.

The wife and I have had six kids, we are both plenty fertile, but then again we don't drink pop, beer, fruity drinks, energy drinks or any of the other crazy crap out there. We stick to some home brewed coffee, some home brewed tea, milk, well water and some home brew beer and mead. For food we avoid anything that has been processed or pre made, everything we eat is made from scratch each meal. We slaughter and process our own meats and grow and or obtain much of the fruit and vegetables that we eat as well. We are reasonably active, though the wife is paraplegic and stuck in a wheelchair and about 2 out of every 3 years she is stuck on bed rest, so "she" is not real active.

The 4 kids still at home are now all teenagers and in sports, none of their coaches has believed them when they were asked how much they weigh, they literally look like toothpicks. My youngest Sierra is 13 standing in at 5ft4 and weighs in at 125 pounds. My next youngest John is 15 standing at 5ft 11 1/2 and weighs in at 165, his coaches had to use three scales before they would believe his weight they were convinced that he couldn't weigh more than 125. Jarad at 17 is 5ft 8 and weighs in at 165 as well. Ted is 18 and is 5ft5 and weighing in at 155. All of them like I said look like toothpicks compared to the other kids but they are the same weight and are pound for pound much stronger. The food modern families are eating is really screwing kids up, the kids should like mine have much more lean muscle mass and much less fat tissue. My son John was the only kid in the HS to make state in cross country this year, the funny part of that is that he has been doing cross country and football at the same time and he is now going to state in football as well. The only difference between my kids and the others is their diet, I am convinced that much of the problem with todays youth comes down to not having proper food.
 
#23 ·
Many valid points already stated. I'll add: General Lack of Optimism.


With the 24/7 news and global internet outrage market it is pretty easy to understand why young people (and most people) today are not optimistic or unsure about their future. As a young man I did not have a fraction of the exposure and worry as young people today have.

We had kids later because we had to (chose to) plan around military orders. Looking back, we should have had them sooner and just figured it out.
 
#24 ·
Many valid points already stated. I'll add: General Lack of Optimism.
Oh and also the US has one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world when compared to similar countries with modern medicine, that might also be enough to dissuade people from having children or at the very least attempting to have one again after a miscarriage or their baby dying to SIDS.
 
#25 ·
Babies are a hell of a lot of work.

I think my husband is bad - ha! A baby is a lot more intensive.

People don't want to get woken up all night, every night, every hour or two, for years. Then worrying about the toddler getting into things, etc. It's very labor intensive.

If you're already working full time, it's nearly impossible.

Today at work (a good government job) one girl had to walk out of orientation because she had a "family emergency" with her baby. I doubt they will welcome her back. She just lost a lucrative job over her baby. Because, baby has to come first.

Fewer people are willing to sign up for that, especially with birth control so accurate these days. If you don't want kids (like my husband) you can be sexually active and not worry about having them.
 
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I don't mean this as racist but white folks need some Viking like warriors to start spreading their genes if whites want a future.

We are being out bred at an alarming rate.

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According to what the study showed fertility rates were declining for all. So it is not about race. There is something else going on. If it is not smart phones it maybe something sinister. The end of the world as we know it might be a inability to replace ourselves. Shambling hollow eyed old people with no young enthusiastic kids to handle all the scut work. :cool:

ETA: Got to thinking and some updates to classic movies might be in order in this Brave old world.

Fast times at Ridgemont Senior Center.
Alice in Daycare Land.

and for the Halloween season,
Night of the Living Old People. Sure to scare the bejabbers out of the few young people left to see it.
 
#30 ·
One of my medications was changed recently, and they say in the insert it may cause "loss of fertility" It is not a "female" drug.

Nothing sadder than a woman who wants kids, and can't have them.

I did everyone a favor when I didn't breed. My illness is very genetic and I wasn't putting that on the kid, or society.
 
#35 ·
Most of the 3rd world immigrants become paratransit drivers. I know how to curse in several African languages.

I actually like those guys better than some of the Americans. The immigrants have more initiative, better attitude, etc. The Americans act like they are doing you a massive favor by being paid to pick you up. The immigrants act like it's a huge honor to do so.

Exception: middle eastern muslims. DON'T like them at all. They are rude and scary.

I am not 100% white, never done a test but for sure I have some native blood. Maybe 1/16. I think it's cool. I never burn.

My husband is a mongrel. If I ever wanted to do a DNA test I would love to do him. For certain, per a geneology search, he is black, native, spanish, and french.
 
#40 ·
Not having babies anymore?

Probably has nothing to do with women pursuing careers instead of staying home and raising children.:rolleyes: Raising a family and holding down a job outside the home at the same time is enough to burn out ANYBODY and produce neglected and dysfunctional kids.

There was no "problem" with low birthrate when I was a kid and mom stayed home. There is no problem with low birthrate in my state (highest in the country) because we also have the highest percentage of stay-at-home moms in the country.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article....com/article/705334382/Utah-bucks-national-trend-against-stay-at-home-moms.html
 
#45 ·
But how they treat women. No, I will not put up my FGM link. Just google it and you will see.

One guy accused me of 'flirting" with him (a cab driver) and told my husband to make me stop. He said she is always like this with her drivers, she isn't flirting. And I don't order her around. I was very proud of him.

A hospitality culture is nice but not when the women and little girls are being butchered and married off against their will.
 
#48 ·
But how they treat women.....

A hospitality culture is nice but not when the women and little girls are being butchered and married off against their will.
Absolutely agree. I'll never forget the first time I saw a guy in Iraq walking along (carrying nothing) while his wife (I assume) and donkey follow along behind carrying huge bundles of sticks.

the donkeys are treated BETTER than their animals!

Middle eastern women are in large part incredibly hot, but they get used and abused, and worn out in short order.

When I got back I got involved helping women escape from that culture (there are compounds of it here in the US) ended up dating one and helping take care of her and her sister.... (BOY was I heavily armed then... Very real risk, they don't like it when you help their women get away from their enslavement!) Highly intelligent (ended up with degrees as a nurse AND a pharmacist.) AND attractive. But I couldn't handle her completely subservient point of view.
Bothered me. Could barely get an opinion out of her where she wanted to have dinner. I like women who have a spine.


I specifically said: "or in certain areas" and treAtment of women isn't one of them. (In either cultural example now that I think of it.)
Interesting, white guys treat women the best and get **** on by women in return.... Perhaps those other guys have it right! (Yes I'm joking, but it's amusing.) :D:
 
#49 ·
We're in total agreement.

My views have not been popular at times, but I think any woman should be outraged. We have it great compared to them.

The whole "What did you do to make him beat you?" mindset is horrible and should be eradicated worldwide.

Calm down, Heather. Anyway, I think I would have had really cute mixed race kids with my husband, and I would have been proud of them.

RE: the thug life, I actually know some gospel rappers who turn around and use that culture to witness to young men in the life and get them saved and living right. They do some good one. One of them was recently shot in the leg by a would be robber and is now in rehab. So there are a few good eggs.
 
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#51 ·
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RE: the thug life, I actually know some gospel rappers who turn around and use that culture to witness to young men in the life and get them saved and living right. They do some good one. One of them was recently shot in the leg by a would be robber and is now in rehab. So there are a few good eggs.
I contend that that's "in spite of"
 
#52 ·
Returning to Topic of Thread. It would be of interest to know if Birth control pills usage increased also in the last decade and by what percent. Also the average age of the women who begin taking them.

The issue of putting off having children until later in a woman's life has some ramifications on both a personal and societal level. I also wonder if this is a factor that has driven the delayed onset of maturity that seems so prevalent now. Back when I was young many were consider a adult by 16 and all was expected to act like a adult by 18. Now it seems to be mid 20's for most.
 
#54 ·
Today's "Soy Boys" don't reproduce because they don't want to. Some recent testing of Soy Boys indicated T levels around 200! That's 1/3 of our ELDERLY great grandfather's levels and 1/5th to 1/6th a healthy young man's level from the 1940's. It's no wonder Soy Boys accomplish so little and can't take on today's women.


It would be of interest to know if Birth control pills usage increased also in the last decade and by what percent. Also the average age of the women who begin taking them. The issue of putting off having children until later in a woman's life has some ramifications on both a personal and societal level.
NO DOUBT a factor, but I don't directly blame women and the pill. Men with high T will attract women and will WANT to start families. Many women would likely be willing with confident and capable men.

[Although I do blame feminist culture, and today's fat women, for some lack of attraction..... ]
 
#53 ·
I blame lower Testosterone levels.

Testing shows T levels are half what our grandfathers had.

For those who don't know, I have near zero T due to illness. So I use a topical T cream.

I am qualified to describe, with accuracy, what T does to a man. Testosterone is the only driving force behind male behavior. Take T away and a man become a nothing, no drive for life, no fun, no exploration, no innovation, and no sex drive.

I find the feeling of proper T levels a very smooth and confident feeling. I keep my levels around 700ng/dl, which is in the normal range for healthy men. It is a big mistake to associate T levels with anger, rage, bad behavior and so on. That's illegal synthetic drug "roid rage" and it's not associated with proper T levels.

The bottom line is that the confidence to have children and the confidence to take on life and succeed are very closely related to T levels. If a man feels that the future can't be tamed, he won't reproduce. And, that's testosterone and nothing else.

I have my significant health issues, but I'm always capable and confident. The results speak for themselves. I'm smart enough and I can do it.